Teken
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What's the matter with those installs??
Clearly, some of the members in this thread believe its OK! 
But, hey it falls down to those who can, and those who do . . .
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What's the matter with those installs??
Clearly, some of the members in this thread believe its OK! But, hey it falls down to those who can, and those who do . . .
So was the entire Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs, as well as the mars Rovers, and those did pretty damned well.Well, the space shuttle was built by the lowest bidder . . . Look how that faired for them.
(BTW, if you really do think any of those contractors, including those for the Space Shuttle, got the job because they were merely the lowest bidders, you have a LOT to learn about Federal procurement policies!)
You've no idea what my client's (it's possessive, so it gets an apostrophe before the last 's', but in your mind, I suppose it doesn't,) standards or expectations were. So again, STFU when you've no clue what you're talking about.Since your clients level of expectation is so low . . . I gather anything you did would have been accepted in my mind.
Sure the pet rock. A master-stroke of marketing. I remember pet rocks. They were what is referred to as a "fad". In other words something frivolous. Therefore, the decision to purchase one falls under entirely different rules when it comes to calculating value for money.For your reference: 21.6 million people went out of their way to spend aprox $2.** and above for this one item.
21.6 million people you say??
It was the pet rock . . .
That's the definition of "good enough." If not, what is its definition then?
Everything on the planet is engineered to be "good enough" to meet the requirements with an acceptable production cost. Anything more than good enough is a waste of resources.
If I'm the one paying the bills, I'd be pretty pissed if, say, my mechanic who was hired to do a tuneup also changed my oil. The tuneup was what was specified for the job, the oil change was outside the specification. My installation of the couplers was within the specification of the job. Replacing the cabling to the cubes was not.
Why not? Why can't "good enough" be long lasting? Be specific.
I have not attacked you. And you haven't stated a single fact. You've stated several opinions however.
That doesn't surprise me at all.
It probably does. Just because its not up to your standards does not mean it isn't up to someone else's.
Define "right."
gatchel
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Why is this thread not locked yet...Holy S!
Seriously, though. I have used the Ubiquiti NanoStation Loco M5 units to do a point to point at my buddies garage. At 100' we get about we get about 180 mbps throughput. They work very well and have been very reliable. They run a bout $80 (or so) each and you need two. I know I said wireless is not secure. If you are not looking for 100% security then these units make a nice bridge.
Personally I hardwire whenever possible.
Seriously, though. I have used the Ubiquiti NanoStation Loco M5 units to do a point to point at my buddies garage. At 100' we get about we get about 180 mbps throughput. They work very well and have been very reliable. They run a bout $80 (or so) each and you need two. I know I said wireless is not secure. If you are not looking for 100% security then these units make a nice bridge.
Personally I hardwire whenever possible.
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SixStringMadness
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DSL to DSL Modem to Cat5e Cable to Router to Cat5e Cable to Switch to Cat5e Cable(s) to PC(s)
Most reliable and secure for home set-up
The router provides some firewall security, and can be located at the DSL Modem, the Router can be a combination unit Router/switch (most home bought units are), or you may use an additional switch in the shop and have the ability to connect PC, printer, scanner etc depending on how extravagant your setup is going to be. To me it's about options and versatility. If you have smart phones or tablets you could install a WiFi access point on the switch in the shop with limited range, and get those babies on the internet, while your PC's and such still utilize a secure hardwired connection
Most reliable and secure for home set-up
The router provides some firewall security, and can be located at the DSL Modem, the Router can be a combination unit Router/switch (most home bought units are), or you may use an additional switch in the shop and have the ability to connect PC, printer, scanner etc depending on how extravagant your setup is going to be. To me it's about options and versatility. If you have smart phones or tablets you could install a WiFi access point on the switch in the shop with limited range, and get those babies on the internet, while your PC's and such still utilize a secure hardwired connection
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Gary S
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Works every time done like this.
NZMacca
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Interesting debate - and I can see both sides of the argument between Teken and gt40mkii. I would say that after 20 years in the data centre industry that I have seen some outstanding work and also some very poor cable infrastructure installations. At the end of the day, I assume gt40mkii tested his jointed cabling with a Fluke DTX1800 or similar certification tool. If the cabling passed to the requisite industry standards, then I expect his client would be happy with that.
In our three DC's here in NZ we, and our cable plant suppliers (AMP/KRONE), would not accept splices or joints (of any kind) in the permanent horizontal cable plant (our onsite manufacturer performance warranties would be voided with this practice) and we would expect to pay to have new cabling installed. Horses for courses I suppose.
Just my 2c.
In our three DC's here in NZ we, and our cable plant suppliers (AMP/KRONE), would not accept splices or joints (of any kind) in the permanent horizontal cable plant (our onsite manufacturer performance warranties would be voided with this practice) and we would expect to pay to have new cabling installed. Horses for courses I suppose.
Just my 2c.
That is a crucial aspect of the job that Tekin fails to appreciate. The customer made the decision to use couplers. We notified them of the advantages and disadvantages of using couplers versus replacing the cables at the planning meeting. They chose to use couplers instead of risking having the job run long (we had 48 hours to do the job.)
So there's the perfect way to do the job, and there's the appropriate way. They're not always the same.
Teken
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The endless drivel you continue spout is simply outstanding. . . Almost as outstanding, as the excuses you keep laying out here.
You can keep making up excuses for the hack job . . . Its rather entertaining to be honest!
I was perfectly happy to bow out of this thread until your childish comments. But, if we must . . .
Teken <--- This is how you spell my name! Thanks!
The endless drivel you continue spout is simply outstanding. . . Almost as outstanding, as the excuses you keep laying out here.
You can keep making up excuses for the hack job . . . Its rather entertaining to be honest!
I was perfectly happy to bow out of this thread until your childish comments. But, if we must . . .
Teken <--- This is how you spell my name! Thanks!
This post contributes nothing to the discussion at hand. Don't you have something to contribute?
Teken
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Yes, it was provided in page two.
Unlike the none sense you provided here, affirming using endless couplers! Stop wasting bandwidth . . .
Teken . . .
Yes, it was provided in page two.
Stop wasting bandwidth . . .
Teken . . .
I dunno , maybe you're on dialup, but I've got plenty of bandwidth to waste...
So, I'm curious, what would YOU have done, given my constraints? Remember, the customer decided not to replace the cabling from the cubes to the old closet. The new closet was about 30' away. Plus, the customer didn't want any equipment left on the old closet. No patch panels, no punch-down blocks -- nothing.
Do you have another cost-effective way of making 32 cables about 30 feet longer?
Teken
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If the client would not even entertain a small punch down block. I would have bowed out of the install / repairs.
I do realize the constraints you're stating are very real as I have lived through these same *Asks* from the client(s).
Once I show them the point of failure and the long term effects of going *** route, all the while affirming what the ultimate goal is.
Nobody ever blinks, second guesses, or doubts the correct path to take.
Having said all of this, if a client insists on doing something that is not acceptable I walk.Teken . . .
Wow -- "My way or the highway, huh?"
In my primary business, if a vendor or contractor displays an unwillingness to reasonably accommodate us, they don't get to do business with us -- period.
There are too many other companies and contractors out there hungry for the business to deal with inflexible people.
Teken
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If a client wants me to warranty, service, and support something that is clearly out of spec and not the norm.
Is this the type of client you really want for the long haul?
That is what is wrong with the industry in general and in life. There will always be someone willing to low ball you just to get into the door.Those people don't last, but their failed attempted of doing a standard job has now affected all others that come after him. My personal experience in several different fields is that these same clients are rarely any serious player which affects my bottom line.
If someone is asking for something that is clearly out of line and not supportable in the long term. We, engage the client with all the relevant facts and affirm to them the causal affect of doing so.
If you're working with the *jack of all trades, master of none* who is your key operator. Then, its up to you, or your boss to engage the right people to alert them of the negative impact this will have on their business / system(s).
In my part of the world there isn't one major data center I support which would allow a coupler to be installed past a temp stage.
None . . .
This comes down to doing it right the first time . . . Uptime, reliability, and long term infrastructure. Has nothing to do with *My way, or the hi way*
Teken . . .
jeffmoss26
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It's pretty simple to me...if you want the work done half-assed and not to spec, then hire someone else. If you want it done in a professional manner, then call me.
gatchel
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Popcorn anyone?
theoldwizard1
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I have a 2Wire 2701HG-B that combines the DSL modem, router and wireless gateway all in one package.
Gary S
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I have a similar unit made by Actiontec. It is a fantastic piece of equipment. It runs reliably for years at a time without ever having to restart it or do anything to it.
I telnetted into it and found it runs Linux firmware, so that explains the reliability. Most modems have proprietary firmware that doesn't measure up to the reliability of Linux.
SixStringMadness
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I realize that this equipment is out there, but I have never had DSL, always Cable at home, so I have no experience with these units, and would have no reason to offer them up as options.
I am however in the security realm of things, so VPN's, routers and firewalls are what I use most, even at home. This is why I offered this up as a reliable and functional option.
My latest experience with "DSL" was using 75+ of these with a few of these throughout many many buildings on three military bases
Not really a practical resolution to the OP.
The SHDSL.bis modems have a 4-port switch incorporated into them, and can operata on 24VDC (which was my design requirement), so I know combination units are certainly available and usable, but not exactly my specific expertise. And as you can see, I don't operate on the residential level, and offered up the "back to basics" resolution I knew would work in a thread of genital measuring, if I even remembered correctly what the OP needed after reading through the foggy ******* match......
But your ADSL Gateway is an even more simplistic solution than I offered, and certainly appears to be easier than what I offered up for the OP to install....
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