IR 231c wouldn't budge one lugnut..

[90zcar]

So at my home garage I do side jobs here n there and I had a newer charger come over yesterday and my 1/2" impact wouldn't bust one of the lugs loose.
My impact is a ingersoll rand 231c and my compressor is a 3hp 60 gallon ingersoll rand
Dunno if my impact just plain couldn't do the job because the lug was just over tightened extremely or if I have another issue with my setup possibly. I ended up using my 18" long 1/2" flex snap on ratchet and I had to give it all I had to bust it loose


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[dankicksass]

Time to ditch that old heavy piece and get a modern impact. I highly recommend the Nitrocat 1375XL. It's less than half the weight of your gun and 50% more powerful.

 

[Mazdaspeed]

Time to ditch that old heavy piece and get a modern impact. I highly recommend the Nitrocat 1375XL. It's less than half the weight of your gun and 50% more powerful.

No.

If he had trouble with an 18" bar on it...the thing was obviously seized, cross threaded or over torqued. It's not abnormal for the less informed out there to heave on a lug as tight as they can.

 

[dankicksass]

No.

If he had trouble with an 18" bar on it...the thing was obviously seized, cross threaded or over torqued. It's not abnormal for the less informed out there to heave on a lug as tight as they can.

Could have been corrosion. Those Mopars have terrible lugnuts. Doesn't mean the 231C isn't an outdated, heavy and weak tool.

 

[Jswain]

Take it all apart, clean it and put it back together with fresh lube. The more gummed up they get the less power they have.

 

[90zcar]

What type of lube do these things use? Never took one of these apart


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[theoldwizard1]

Never underestimate the amount of torque that can be applied to a lug nut by a high school football player and a 20" cross lug nut wrench !

 

[rick barnes]

Steel lug nuts will fuse to aluminum alloy rims and require a lot of torque to get them loose. Even ones I've put on to spec for my car have required extra measures to remove.


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[Marlin]

So at my home garage I do side jobs here n there and I had a newer charger come over yesterday and my 1/2" impact wouldn't bust one of the lugs loose.
My impact is a ingersoll rand 231c and my compressor is a 3hp 60 gallon ingersoll rand
Dunno if my impact just plain couldn't do the job because the lug was just over tightened extremely or if I have another issue with my setup possibly. I ended up using my 18" long 1/2" flex snap on ratchet and I had to give it all I had to bust it loose


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What is your hose size and length and the size and number of quick disconnects? You need to make sure that you are getting 90 psi at the inlet of the tool measured while the tool is running free speed.

 

[Mazdaspeed]

I think you guys are missing the point. He says he used an 18" ratchet and all his might to remove the one lug...I would classify all a person's might on an 18" bar to be probably in the 300-400ft-lbs range. The 231c is only rated working torque at 350ft-lbs, 600ft-lbs break away. That's under ideal conditions (air supply, brand new, etc) so I doubt anything at all was wrong with his gun and more likely the lug was just all seized up. Now granted a better gun might have had more luck with it, but there's no need to convince this guy there's anything wrong with it.

 

[Buckgnarly]

I have a 231 that I use as a dedicated lug/wheel gun (I use torque sticks) and it has never had problems on car or truck wheels.
IF you had to use the breaker with all your might, it was on WAY too tight.

 

[Jbullfrog]

I just cleaned my wife's wheels out to fix the shake and had to go get my bigger impact. The local dealership has a tire guy that wouldn't know a torque wrench if he saw one.

 

[90zcar]

I have a 1/2" ID FLEX comming off the compressor which goes to 1/2" id black pipe then at the end a filter going to another filter/regulator combo
I run a 3/8" air hose off that then. 50 foot




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[skruft]

I have not had problems removing lug nuts with a 231. Many have the extended shaft for this purpose.

 

[Farmall450]

Could have been corrosion. Those Mopars have terrible lugnuts. Doesn't mean the 231C isn't an outdated, heavy and weak tool.

In that case he should upgrade to a 2135TiMax

 

[ken w.]

My IR-231 has all sorts of balls for being an older gun and I still have trouble taking off some lug nuts. I have to crack them loose with a breaker bar once in a while. But, my SO impact is the same way. I wouldn't blame your gun. If you dump some Marvel Mystery Oil in your air fitting it tends to bring a gummed up air gun back to life.I do this every other month to all my air tools.

 

[APEowner]

Impact guns are a bit of a personal choice. I'm still using the IR231 that I bought 30+ years ago. Every five or so years I buy whatever the latest and greatest gun is supposed to be and send the IR in for an overhaul so I have a backup and when the IR comes back the new gun goes in the toolbox and doesn't come out again until I decide to trade it in on whatever is now the latest and greatest.

I don't know if that says more about me or the IR.

 

[strelnik]

Steel lug nuts will fuse to aluminum alloy rims and require a lot of torque to get them loose. Even ones I've put on to spec for my car have required extra measures to remove.


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+1, I used heat to get some off because I have a 1" impact that delivers an easy 900 lbs ft but didn't want to shear the stud.

Power is not always the issue, creating work and expense for no reason is the issue for me!

 

[woody 73]

Long story short version.

While on a Family picnic a women asked for my help to fix her flat tire, I swear it took all my body weight plus my son's weight to break those lug nuts free; then to find out the wheel had welded itself to the car. I had to flag down a park Ranger and he had to find a large 2x4 just so we could wedge it enough to get that wheel off the car.

Picture two adult grown men and my teenager prying on that 2x4 in order to get that wheel off the car not fun.

Not sure who was the last person to put that tire on but I don't think any 1/2 air gun would have busted those lug nuts off.

 

[transittech]

But honey, I had to buy a new gun...


I'm with mazdaspeed on this one.

 

[slowzuki]

That's so common on hub centric wheels in salt country. I did do work on my F350 the other day and have a 20 lb hardwood mallet/sledge for beating the rims off that. They rust a bit at the interface.

Japanese cars you can usually use another wheel/tire as the beating device to get the one off the car. Sometimes takes 30-40 good whacks with all you've got.

Long story short version.

While on a Family picnic a women asked for my help to fix her flat tire, I swear it took all my body weight plus my son's weight to break those lug nuts free; then to find out the wheel had welded itself to the car. I had to flag down a park Ranger and he had to find a large 2x4 just so we could wedge it enough to get that wheel off the car.

Picture two adult grown men and my teenager prying on that 2x4 in order to get that wheel off the car not fun.

Not sure who was the last person to put that tire on but I don't think any 1/2 air gun would have busted those lug nuts off.

 

[WVBrady]

Sounds like more people should be using some kind of anti-seize!

 

[scw1991]

My IR231C hooked up to my IR 2475 compressor with 80 gallon tank buzzes off lug nuts on my GMC K1500 with the greatest of ease. I torque them to 140 ft/lbs. It takes no more than 2 seconds to spin off each nut.