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Irwin vs. Kobalt?

blackz26

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Had a $40 Lowes gift card to spend. Picked up a pair of channel locks and a pair of vise grips. I opted for Irwin over Kobalt. I figured the quality was substantially higher. Am I correct, or is it only a bump? Figured if Kobalt had the same set, and it had one more piece, lower quality. Thoughts?
 
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Brownsfan

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The kobalts are garbage. You made the right choice. Sometimes if you look at the back of the peg hook you can find some nos USA made ones
 
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The kobalts are garbage. You made the right choice. Sometimes if you look at the back of the peg hook you can find some nos USA made ones

Thanks. I figured I kick myself if I got the kobalt. Cheap stuff is ok sometimes, but there a point where it don't pay to save.
 

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The kobalt pliers are absolutely worthless. The pivot bolt loosens and the channels in the pivot start to cross and get in a bind and get stuck...they are however absolutely awesome at flying across the shop!!!!!! :bounce:
 
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I like how the Irwins have the jaw cut for a fastener. And have the push button adjustment acts like a zip tie Keeping it at that position till you push the button.
 

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The kobalt pliers are absolutely worthless. The pivot bolt loosens and the channels in the pivot start to cross and get in a bind and get stuck...they are however absolutely awesome at flying across the shop!!!!!! :bounce:

Oh do I know that all to well. Except my bay door was open at the time so they skipped across the parking lot. The slip joints are absolute garbage and the locking are worse. They twist and bend. The cutting pliers are just as bad. I made the mistake and then discovered GJ and returned all of them and bought channellock like I should have in the first place but I thought they are cheaper so I cann get all i need. Fail. Now it's all channellock snap on Klein and knipex.
 

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Kobalt is a store brand so depending on the item, it's gonna be made by all kinds of different manufacturers. The only thing Kobalt I'll ever buy is their sockets.
 

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hater? the chinese irwin's are junk (there are threads here with pics).

the truth hurts

Agreed.

Who makes decent locking pliers anymore? I stocked up on USA Vise Grip when I heard Irwin was moving, but apparently didn't do a good enough job.
 
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Irwin seems to have items made all over the place. I have an Irwin hand saw made in Denmark, very high quality. Other stuff of theirs is Chinese and looks like junk. I have seen some Irwin stuff from Taiwan.
 

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They have a couple models, I may be 430, 440, 460 I believe? Anyone can feel free to enlighten me here but last ones I looked at were 440, handle length and jaw design. Anything but the standard is a waste especially if you are starting from 0 and maybe even after that as I got a few pairs of "new and inproved" I would gladly trade 2 pairs of for one of the old. Same for a vise grip, a 6R and a 10R straight jaw, 10x the use of any other flavor.
 

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Even with the advent of com[uter design, new ideas etc they can still never seem to match the perfect geometry that the channelock has, the old time engineer got it just right and the only time I ever had a pair that felt/worked the same was a Cman or Sears that must have been a re-badge.

They keep trying tis over and over with slight differences and they are just not the same, do not feel the same even especially when one is used to this enduring trade standard. I could pick up pairs in the dark and tell by use which was which. Its real subtle but after thousands of cycles its a feel, same for the hi leverage Klein side cutter and maybe even the dykes.

Personally I think the feel of it is unique,,, way different than a common end wrench, not so much and one reason is the plier has so many potential uses and an operator can feel the difference in pivot point, geometry and leverage.
 
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The Ratchet Man

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I have the Irwin's and like them as much as my Channellocks. My Irwin's are "fiercely made in China" for all the haters.
 
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