Is Harbor Freight Really a Good Value

[03protege]

I have MANY harbor freight tools and hate most of them, BUT it has allowed to amass a collection and do work that I would not have otherwise been able to do. Now that I have all these tools, when something breaks (which it will sooner than later) I buy a quality tool to replace it.

Honestly, I wish I would have started buying used tools instead of Harbor Freight, but for the most part I cannot say I regret my Decisions to buy harborfreight tools.

The advice above to stay away from anything electric is fairly sound. The only things I have purchased from there that was electric and actually liked it was the angle grinders, 14" chop saw, and welder. All of which are terrible compared to a more expensive counterpart but they get the job done. Don't waste your money on any of the drills, up until some newer ones had come out I owned them all and they all ****.

 

[fomocoforrester]

Your new here , right?

Yeap...Why do you ask?

Read the hundreds of threads on this topic. In the future, please perform a search if looking for a common topic.

So what if it's been covered before - there are a lot of new people here, do you expect them all to do historical research before asking a question? Especially on moving targets like Chinese quality and value.

With the inexorable rise in Chinese wage costs, their exploding middle classes, the rising trend line in overall quality, the numbers of exported jobs returning to the West etc. etc., the situation is constantly changing.

So ask away newbies - anything you like ....

 

[FriendOfYours]

A lot of hearsay in this thread. The Pass/Fail is too long as well

Impact and Regular sockets - Use them every day all day. Haven't broke one all year. Use the impacts with the breaker bars, don't be dumb with your tools

Composite ratchets and roto ratchets - Excellent. Buttery smooth and well built

Torx and hex - May strip one if you aren't careful to get it dead on, but that can be said for nearly any brand bit that didn't cost a couple hundred dollars

Pro screwdrivers - Awesome. Use them every day

Grinder - Been using it for nearly 8 years

42, 56 and Tool Carts - You cannot find a better set of boxes for the price. MUCH better than Craftsman, Husky, Kobalt etc. Compare them yourself. They are incredible for the money

Cut off and flap discs - Better than any other brand I have used

Jacks and Jack stands - All are over 5 years old and still working perfectly

Air fittings - CHEAP! Work just as well as any other

Powder gun - Another thing I use every day. Been going strong for I don't know how many years

MIG and TIG welders - Old model blues. They have been heavily upgraded but are solid machines

If you are just a mechanic, just turning nuts and bolts, HF can cover 90% of the stuff you need and will serve you well. I cannot say enough good things about aforementioned ratchets and sockets, which are the most important tools. Every single box at our shop has all sizes of Rotos and Sockets and we haven't had a single failure

 

[71goldss]

So what if it's been covered before - there are a lot of new people here, do you expect them all to do historical research before asking a question? Especially on moving targets like Chinese quality and value.

With the inexorable rise in Chinese wage costs, their exploding middle classes, the rising trend line in overall quality, the numbers of exported jobs returning to the West etc. etc., the situation is constantly changing.

So ask away newbies - anything you like ....

I agree! I don't know why some have such a problem with this issue? I personally like finding as many threads on a subject or item that I'm interested in. If some people don't like rehashing subjects, just skip over the thread and move on. What's the big deal?

 

[O_M_Jeep]

I use HF tools everyday in a truck shop, I spent the last 4 years building rock crawlers, off road and automotive and have had one hex head socket break in all that time, I like that I can have any tool I need, I can buy a tool for a one-off job and have it when it's needed next and not have to pay $300/week to tool trucks, I like that in the shop I work in I usualy have the tool others wont, at least the odd stuff techs dont usualy buy until the one-off need comes up, and I like how well all the tools I've bought have held up and worked. But, I'm not hard on tools, I use a hammer for a hammer etc.

Here are 2 threads you should look at, they are quite long but the relevant non-arguing information is on the first 2 or so pages on each one.

First is MisterMoose's review of the HF US General tool boxes

Second is the very impressive thread of MechanicNamedJohn

Read a lot and do the searches and you will see pretty quickly who has experiance to relate and who has an agenda and more often who has an axe to grind, then you will see that under all the rhetoric and posturing that HF tools do the job for most people who use them.

 

[bcradio]

I would say the golden rule for HF is this (and many would agree):

If they offer more than one item of the same type, DON'T buy the least expensive one. You will most likely be disappointing with it.

i.e. Don't buy the cheapest grinder they make. It will break in short order. Don't buy the cheapest toolbox they make. It will ****.

the reverse can be true too (though not always). The most expensive toolboxes are pretty good. The pro vs regular stuff is better. The Earthquake air guns vs the regular.....

 

[Burtonrider10022]

I would say the golden rule for HF is this (and many would agree):

If they offer more than one item of the same type, DON'T buy the least expensive one. You will most likely be disappointing with it.

i.e. Don't buy the cheapest grinder they make. It will break in short order. Don't buy the cheapest toolbox they make. It will ****.

the reverse can be true too (though not always). The most expensive toolboxes are pretty good. The pro vs regular stuff is better. The Earthquake air guns vs the regular.....

I whole-heartedly agree. See my post below from a different HF thread:

My HF theory is this: If you need something that will do 50 "works" buy a HF tool rated for 100 "works". I.E. If you need a 2 ton jack, buy the HF 4 ton jack - now you own a 1.5 ton jack, congrats! If you need a socket set (let's imagine it's rated at 100 ft/lbs) then buy the HF "Impact" Socket set (pretend rating of 200 ft/lbs).


Get it? I bought the Pittsburgh Pro 37 pc. Impact Socket Set for $24. I am blown away at the quality of it. Will it hold up to an impact gun? IDK, at the end of the day it's still a HF tool, but it is holding up damn well against my hand ratchets! So IMO, I could not have bought an equivalent set of new CMan, Snap-On, or other nice brand for less money.

 

[BFBOB]

It ain't simple any more. You can't just say USA=GOOD, CHI=BAD. Used to be mostly true; now you have to actually inspect carefully and make a choice. Heck, I would have said USA=GOOD, IND=BAD just a couple of years ago, but lately I've encountered some made-in-Indias that looked quite well made.
What you can't tell by looking is the quality of the steel, but in my mostly-amateur experience, the better the workmanship the better the materials.
One longtime rule of thumb that I think is still valid was touched on by another member: the cheapest (fill in the blank) is usually the worst, and usually the worst value (performance per price). The most expensive is usually the best, but not the best value.

When you walk into that HF store, you have to apply the same scrutiny and judgement you would anywhere else... and you should definitely walk in and not log on for your first purchases!

The warranty service is excellent, in my one experience. I had a cheapie air compressor (they gave me $50 off because it was due to go on sale in a week!) that failed after a week of several-hours-per-day use. I took it back and they replaced it without argument or even verifying that it was broken! The replacement has now done two garage and one house roof and innumerable small jobs. Yes, I did have my receipt. That is becoming increasingly important, even with the big brands.

The one rule of thumb I've NEVER found to be invalid is:

....drum roll, please....

CAVEAT EMPTOR!

 

[wornoutoldman]

Snap-On tools might sell for more $$ wise when you sell them but the loss on them is huge if you bought new.

Not if you bought them 30 years ago they have made you a pile of money at this point and the resale is multiples of the original MSRP.

Also the HF motorcycle lift table is a very good deal!

 

[fomocoforrester]

.....Also the HF motorcycle lift table is a very good deal!

Plus 1 on that!

I probably don't use mine more than once a month for bikes, but I use it pretty much every day as an auxilliary bench for general tear down and assembly work - and it's just brilliant for that!

 

[t100]

I sold my old version of the Earthquake, well used, for $50, paid $65. This thing was beat to hell. How much would a beat to hell MG725 go for? Maybe $200? $250? New they are a $400 gun. Huge loss.

as for the Snap On MG725, it's $435. after tax and finance charge you are paying close to $500 for it.

good luck selling it for half of that, even for a mint condition gun like this one in my neck of woods. it has been on craigslist for a while.

asking price: $250

 

[t100]

good value? could be.

good tools? rolling the dice.

 

[lennoxlennox]

HF is an option for the home hobbyist

After all if you don't put that much time into your projects or earn your keep from your tools, no need to invest the type or money required for quality.

That being said, if you are a moderate user of tools for your home projects, there are many good options at good prices that would be a much better spend of your money, i.e. gear wrench, craftsman, etc

Once you get over "the selection" and "the prices", and you start to examine the items, you will actually find it difficult to open your wallet and buy something there.

The last 3 or 4 times I've gone there with my 20% coupon and free tape measure or light coupon, I've walked around and tried really hard to buy something

I pick something up, and try to talk myself into buying it, you know where I could use it. Flip it over, look at it and just can't bring myself to waste my money. I'll do this several times, trying to justify a purchase but can't do it.

I'll go look at the tool boxes everyone raves about and look at the construction and pull the drawers out and think, you've got to be f'ing kidding... people go on and on about this ****..... with the drawer pulled out, I'll grab the corner of the drawer and shake it up and down and watch the flimsy metal ripple.

Then I'll go and try to buy something... a breaker bar, extensions, anything ... I'll eventually settle on something... stand in line, looking it over, talking myself into it... flipping it over and as the line gets closer... I just can't bring myself into wasting my money on this ****

I look at my coupons, realize if I don't buy something I won't get the free tape measure.... look at the guy behind me with his items and hand him my coupons

I leave... shaking my head and kick myself for once again wasting my time and gas and wonder...what was I thinking

 

[t100]

Then I'll go and try to buy something... a breaker bar, extensions, anything ... I'll eventually settle on something... stand in line, looking it over, talking myself into it... flipping it over and as the line gets closer... I just can't bring myself into wasting my money on this ****

cool story, brah!!

that "****" breaker bar, have you tried it?

it's a copy of the old MAC Sabina which not a bad design. it held up my whole 180lbs pretty well.

 

[lennoxlennox]

it's a copy of the old MAC Sabina which not a bad design.

herein lies the problem

EVERYTHING THERE IS A COPY

well, actually, to be more accurate... a poor imitation, a counterfeit

(i.e. when you here the words "just like", translation, "it isn't", "just like MAC", "it isn't MAC", that is just someones attempt to live off the back and reputation of the genuine article without the price, workmanship and quality that's required)

i'll always get the genuine article!


and THAT.... is a better story BRAH!

 

[NWphotog]

And who gives a freak the breaker bar is a copy? That is the lamest excuse I've ever heard for disliking HF. The real reason is they do so much for so little. It makes it harder for you to justify your toolery that is 20x over priced.

 

[pipsters]

My local (Raleigh) HF has good customer service outside of the ridiculously long and tedious check out process. Everyone there is nice, manager is always on the floor bringing large items from the back up front, even helping load them in cars. I just bought the 1000 lb engine support bar yesterday, $50 out the door I couldn't make it for less than that.

 

[Richard D]

And who gives a freak the breaker bar is a copy? That is the lamest excuse I've ever heard for disliking HF. The real reason is they do so much for so little. It makes it harder for you to justify your toolery that is 20x over priced.

I care. The original manufacturer spent millions researching and developing the product, and let Americans earn a good living making it. China comes along with slave labor and rips off the idea, and sells an inferior product. I'd be lying if I said I never buy China(it's almost impossible not to today), but I never feel good about it.

 

[mossyboy6]

I care. The original manufacturer spent millions researching and developing the product

Wow, that mac must be one hell of a breaker bar.

 

[t100]

since we are talking about value, different people have different values, priorities.

some have to pay the toolman so they can pay their mortgage. just I'm glad I don't have to.

I'd rather pay my mortgage instead of paying the toolman.

 

[NWphotog]

I care. The original manufacturer spent millions researching and developing the product, and let Americans earn a good living making it. China comes along with slave labor and rips off the idea, and sells an inferior product. I'd be lying if I said I never buy China(it's almost impossible not to today), but I never feel good about it.

It is a breaker bar! It dates back to the 20's probably earlier. Do you think Snap-on didn't copy Plomb who copied Blackhawk who copied 3 other companies? Its not about what you did 50 years ago, its about what you are doing NOW.

 

[lennoxlennox]

Here's a thought

Why does HF, that has product made in China at cut rate manufacturing processes and costs, have to brand their tools with American names? I wonder why do they have the need to do that?

Chicago Electric
U.S. General,
Western Safety
Pittsburgh

oh ya.. here's a good one

Pittsburgh PRO.... now that's funny... the "pro" version



I mean, let's get some truth in advertizing here

how about

"Shanghai Electric" - pretty much describes what you are REALLY getting
"Beijing General" - for the communist military feel
"Far East Safety" - now if that isn't an oximoron
"Chongqing" and "Chongquing Pro" - the heart of the steel belt no doubt, a good solid Chinese blue collar region

 

[emeraldcoupe]

I'll go look at the tool boxes everyone raves about and look at the construction and pull the drawers out and think, you've got to be f'ing kidding... people go on and on about this ****..... with the drawer pulled out, I'll grab the corner of the drawer and shake it up and down and watch the flimsy metal ripple.

what box was that? this drawer is full of air tools and does not flex,and none of the others do either. this box, with it's thick gauge metal, is made better than any of the non truck brand boxes i have seen.

 

[mrpizza]

We get it, you spent tons of money on name brand tools to be the cool kid at school, and you can't stomach that HF does have some diamonds in the rough.

That, or the poorer souls among the group that can't afford them disgust you.

 

[71goldss]

Too funny! This COO argument will for sure never end, but sure is fun to read!

 

[SMKS]

Here's a thought

Why does HF, that has product made in China at cut rate manufacturing processes and costs, have to brand their tools with American names? I wonder why do they have the need to do that?

Chicago Electric
U.S. General,
Western Safety
Pittsburgh

oh ya.. here's a good one

Pittsburgh PRO.... now that's funny... the "pro" version

Many of the Pittsburgh Pro tools are actually made in Taiwan, not China. That includes the breaker bar mentioned above.

The Taiwanese items are generally better than the Chinese and Indian items they sell.

 

[Hiball]

Man.. You guys sure like to Squabble, If im not mistaken i think some of you guys are copy/pasting from Previous discussions.

Maybe its a sign that some of you are wearing down and/or Getting Lazy.

 

[lennoxlennox]

We get it, you spent tons of money on name brand tools to be the cool kid at school, and you can't stomach that HF does have some diamonds in the rough.

That, or the poorer souls among the group that can't afford them disgust you.

We get it (you mean, “YOU THINK you get it”) you spent tons of money (nope, sure some but not tons) on name brand tools to be the cool kid at school (no interest), and you can't stomach that HF does have some diamonds in the rough (diamonds? No, rough? Yes, it’s not about stomaching, it’s just a statement on quality or the lack thereof).

That, or the poorer souls among the group that can't afford them disgust you. (naaaa, I make no judgments on peoples financial situation)

On all accounts, you are wrong, but that is no surprise, that’s what happens when you “assume”, you know what they say about assume right?

I am making a statement on quality, plain and simple.

I also stated HF is an option for the hobbyist.

Also, being true to my belief in quality, for those who can’t afford or are not relying on their tools to live by, I suggested something that is of much better quality than HF, i.e. gearwrench, craftsman etc.

I also stated, that I’ve genuinely tried to buy things there recently. Making an earnest attempt even if it’s for home use – but I just can’t bring myself to spend hard earned money on ****….

Sorry if you don’t like that, but it’s the truth and the thread is asking for opinions on whether HF is a good value or not – which means both sides and all sorts of opinions should be stated.

Clearly you don’t like mine, but they are mine, they are informed and I call it as I see it.

But unlike you, or others, I’m not bagging the supporters comments and trying to negate/discredit their opinion… or worse, call into question your "personal motives" which begs the question, why are you so threatened by what I write if you are so happy with your purchase?

 

[oldtools]

Here's a thought

Why does HF, that has product made in China at cut rate manufacturing processes and costs, have to brand their tools with American names? I wonder why do they have the need to do that?

Chicago Electric
U.S. General,
Western Safety
Pittsburgh

oh ya.. here's a good one

Pittsburgh PRO.... now that's funny... the "pro" version



I mean, let's get some truth in advertizing here

how about

"Shanghai Electric" - pretty much describes what you are REALLY getting
"Beijing General" - for the communist military feel
"Far East Safety" - now if that isn't an oximoron
"Chongqing" and "Chongquing Pro" - the heart of the steel belt no doubt, a good solid Chinese blue collar region

HF is an American company. Chicago Electric, U.S. General, Western Safety, Pittsburgh are American brands own by HF. This is no different from other American brands (Snap On, MAC, Matco, Cornwell, Williams, Klein, Craftsman, OTC, etc..) that have their tools made by the Chinese.

 

[oldtools]

HF is an option for the home hobbyist

After all if you don't put that much time into your projects or earn your keep from your tools, no need to invest the type or money required for quality.

That being said, if you are a moderate user of tools for your home projects, there are many good options at good prices that would be a much better spend of your money, i.e. gear wrench, craftsman, etc

Once you get over "the selection" and "the prices", and you start to examine the items, you will actually find it difficult to open your wallet and buy something there.

The last 3 or 4 times I've gone there with my 20% coupon and free tape measure or light coupon, I've walked around and tried really hard to buy something

I pick something up, and try to talk myself into buying it, you know where I could use it. Flip it over, look at it and just can't bring myself to waste my money. I'll do this several times, trying to justify a purchase but can't do it.

I'll go look at the tool boxes everyone raves about and look at the construction and pull the drawers out and think, you've got to be f'ing kidding... people go on and on about this ****..... with the drawer pulled out, I'll grab the corner of the drawer and shake it up and down and watch the flimsy metal ripple.

Then I'll go and try to buy something... a breaker bar, extensions, anything ... I'll eventually settle on something... stand in line, looking it over, talking myself into it... flipping it over and as the line gets closer... I just can't bring myself into wasting my money on this ****

I look at my coupons, realize if I don't buy something I won't get the free tape measure.... look at the guy behind me with his items and hand him my coupons

I leave... shaking my head and kick myself for once again wasting my time and gas and wonder...what was I thinking

If HF put "Pittsburg Pro" on Snap On wrench and keep the price low, you still would not buy it.

 

[lennoxlennox]

HF is an American company. Chicago Electric, U.S. General, Western Safety, Pittsburgh are American brands own by HF. This is no different from other American brands (Snap On, MAC, Matco, Cornwell, Williams, Klein, Craftsman, OTC, etc..) that have their tools made by the Chinese.

Huh? That makes no sense at all.

 

[lennoxlennox]

If HF put "Pittsburg Pro" on Snap On wrench and keep the price low, you still would not buy it.

to quote the signature line of t100 (see first post on this page at top)

Originally Posted by RbrtAWhyt View Post
Next time tell them "Yeah, well, if my aunt had a **** she would be my uncle..."

 

[justanengineer]

My experience has been completely different. Often I can resell an item I bought on sale at HF (using the 20% coupon) for what I paid or sometimes more than I paid for it.

Used SO sells for roughly 50% of cost. That is a HUGE loss you take after buying new. A used HF engine hoist can probably fetch $120-$130 right now, and I paid $144 out the door for my 2-ton.

I sold my old version of the Earthquake, well used, for $50, paid $65. This thing was beat to hell. How much would a beat to hell MG725 go for? Maybe $200? $250? New they are a $400 gun. Huge loss.

Hmmm...SO sells for 50% vs HF selling for close to original price? Now that is hilarious. Maybe if I have 24 hours to sell the SO and a month or more to sell the HF your concept would be realistic. I too can sell a $500 HF box for $500 given a bit of time, but in that time I can also sell a $2k SO box for $2k. In my neck of the woods, SO priced at 50% retail is usually gone within a few hours. Attend a few auctions where both are sold and you will see where the real value is - what people who have the cash NOW end up paying. Also considering value, as pointed out, SO bought 30+ years ago has APPRECIATED in value thanks to inflation. Good luck doing that with HF.

Since you mentioned specifics, I too have a 2 ton HF hoist. Cost to you - $144, cost to me - $25. Whats the value again, average price paid or maximum resale? I probably could get $144 if I tried, but I bet there are a hell of a lot more people buying them closer to $50. Now how about that HF Earthquake....SO guns are designed to be rebuilt when it eventually takes a dump, are the HF? Having repaired many SO tools from the 40s, 50s, and 60s, I can attest that they still stock parts 50+ years later for most tools. Is HF going to be around in 50 years? Which is the value to a pro who wants to buy his tools ONCE....the tool that he tosses every few years or the one that gets rebuilt?

Thanks for the laugh. Had you spoken of HF "MACHINE TOOLS," I may have given you a lil credit. I have bought many "mill-drills" and "mini" every other dam thing for <$100 at auction and multiplied my money due to demand, but on a percentage basis, the only way these win is bc the "old US iron" machines typically cost many thousands new.

For those curious, I am not a SO fan and havent bought anything new from them in almost a decade. I also have VERY little SO or other NEW'ish tools in my collection, with HF being the predominant NEW'ish brand. Just the observations of someone that has been rather successful paying his bar tab, toy payments, and vacation fund reselling tools.

 

[mrpizza]

I'm not threatened by anyone else's tool purchases. I just get tired of all the **** on HF comments that always abound. Yeah almost all of it is foreign made. But that's how things are these days. Even my Harley Davidson motorcycle has foreign parts in there somewhere.

 

[Davefr]

Here's a thought

Why does HF, that has product made in China at cut rate manufacturing processes and costs, have to brand their tools with American names? I wonder why do they have the need to do that?

Chicago Electric
U.S. General,
Western Safety
Pittsburgh

To deceive ignorant consumers into thinking they're getting USA quality while they grub the planet for the lowest possible cost.

Their strategy appears to be working.

 

[jpinca]

I bought the red service cart and the wood workbench this weekend. I am very impressed with the quality of both given the price (~$130 each with coupons).

The workbench's instructions and hardware organization were top notch. Not "good for HF", but good in general.

Is HF a good value? That's pretty much 100% subjective, which is why these discussions wind up going down a rat hole.

Will you be wiping off your HF tools at the end of the day and admiring the quality/finish/accuracy? Probably not.

Will your box full of HF tools make your co-workers/friends/I-net buddies jealous? Unlikely.

Will a stash of HF tools help you pick up chicks? Not in any reality I'm familiar with.

Are these important aspect of tool ownership? For some, they unquestionably are. For others, I expect they could care less and getting the job done (sometimes just once) for the lowest sunk cost is paramount.

Other than first hand accounts and apples-to-apples comparisons, the rest of the discussion is just, as Mr. T says, jibber-jabber.

 

[Lightfoot]

I've gotten some decent items there. I've gotten some junk there.

one word of advice,
leave their sandpaper on the shelf, i don't care if it's free.

carry on.

 

[SpiderGearsMan]

since we are talking about value, different people have different values, priorities.

some have to pay the toolman so they can pay their mortgage. just I'm glad I don't have to.

I'd rather pay my mortgage instead of paying the toolman.

another extra positive post

 

[mopar01]

I bought a die grinder the 2 years ago. Still works great. Only HF tool in my box. To the guy who uses his tools and depends on them for a check, HF i n my opinion is not the place to shop. I mostly use MAC which is also bashed on here but iv been buyin tools off the mac truck since I was a freshman in highschool. Lol gave my dad money and he'd get em for me and he always give me money off. Great guy. Everybodys got the own opinions on things, to me you have to use it and be the judge. Even snap on makes ****. Look at that thread about the 9/16 wrench that broke after two weeks.

 

[NWphotog]

Hmmm...SO sells for 50% vs HF selling for close to original price? Now that is hilarious. Maybe if I have 24 hours to sell the SO and a month or more to sell the HF your concept would be realistic. I too can sell a $500 HF box for $500 given a bit of time, but in that time I can also sell a $2k SO box for $2k. In my neck of the woods, SO priced at 50% retail is usually gone within a few hours. Attend a few auctions where both are sold and you will see where the real value is - what people who have the cash NOW end up paying. Also considering value, as pointed out, SO bought 30+ years ago has APPRECIATED in value thanks to inflation. Good luck doing that with HF.

Since you mentioned specifics, I too have a 2 ton HF hoist. Cost to you - $144, cost to me - $25. Whats the value again, average price paid or maximum resale? I probably could get $144 if I tried, but I bet there are a hell of a lot more people buying them closer to $50. Now how about that HF Earthquake....SO guns are designed to be rebuilt when it eventually takes a dump, are the HF? Having repaired many SO tools from the 40s, 50s, and 60s, I can attest that they still stock parts 50+ years later for most tools. Is HF going to be around in 50 years? Which is the value to a pro who wants to buy his tools ONCE....the tool that he tosses every few years or the one that gets rebuilt?

Thanks for the laugh. Had you spoken of HF "MACHINE TOOLS," I may have given you a lil credit. I have bought many "mill-drills" and "mini" every other dam thing for <$100 at auction and multiplied my money due to demand, but on a percentage basis, the only way these win is bc the "old US iron" machines typically cost many thousands new.

For those curious, I am not a SO fan and havent bought anything new from them in almost a decade. I also have VERY little SO or other NEW'ish tools in my collection, with HF being the predominant NEW'ish brand. Just the observations of someone that has been rather successful paying his bar tab, toy payments, and vacation fund reselling tools.

I have to backup Pipster's comment. I bought the HF 4 drawer service cart on sale for $99. I later decided I didn't need it and sold it to the first caller for $99. I probably could have gotten $129 or more for it.