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Is standard obsolete?

jeeper46

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Misplace a metric socket, "sometimes" SAE comes to the rescue, depending on the close-to equivalent size we're talking about here :lol:

I've hammered a metric socket onto a chewed-up SAE bolt (or the opposite) more than a few times, and saved a lot of work. It's always good to have a "Plan B" when things don't go the way they should.
 
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Tom.C

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Most of the heavy equipment I work on is entirely sae, but the new stuff coming in is metric, then there's the stuff that's half sae half metric...:tantrum2:
 

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I find it funny that some people say SAE is obsolete, yet used prices are still fairly high. You'd think that a tool that is useless is worth next to nothing. :bounce:
 

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Friday night I used 4-40 hardware and a tap to make a mounting plate for a microphone mount on an RC vehicle. Zip ties (for now) for the camera mount.

Saturday, we used 15/16" and 1-1/16" sockets to take a snowplow off a truck. I think it used SAE on the pump a couple weeks ago. 10mm for the hood latch. 7/16 to fix the air filter hold-down bolt. 7/16 (I think) for a clamp on the turbo.

Switch over to 18mm to take a bumper off a different truck.

19mm to rotate tires on a car.

Having a duplicates of SAE and metric is needed, sometimes.
 

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As an airplane mechanic, my SAE stuff is second hand snap-on... my metric, well it's a mix up of Kobalt, duracraft, and whatever house brand was available at the time.
 

Tom.C

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As an airplane mechanic, my SAE stuff is second hand snap-on... my metric, well it's a mix up of Kobalt, duracraft, and whatever house brand was available at the time.

I though sae was the industry standard for aircraft? Am I wrong or are they slowly transitioning
 

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Yes, yes, yes standard is completely obsolete. Please send all your obsolete standard tools to me and I will "dispose" of them (right into my tool boxes). :lol:

:beer:
 

HighPlainsWrencher

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Working on heavy equipment i'd say I am 50/50. A lot of our fasteners are 10,13,14,16 and 18. The most common being 14,16 which a 9/16 and 5/8's will work and saves a bit of money. When it comes to big fasteners sae will work more often than not and with big tools comes the price tag so to save money I stick to sae.
 

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I though sae was the industry standard for aircraft? Am I wrong or are they slowly transitioning


My Eastern European and Russian planes required me to get metric, along with my automobile.

Typical aircraft are definitely still SAE
 
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I help out at my friend's garage occasionally. They work on domestic cars and trucks, from Model Ts to the muscle car-era almost exclusively. Very rarely anything newer or imported. Needless to say, I don't use metric tools much at all. When I was taking auto tech classes, I used a lot of metric tools -- purchased Snap-on metric combos -- but as numerous people mentioned on here it depends on what you're working on. I have S-K SAE combo wrenches and USA Craftsman sockets. They're great....I recall an old wood shop teacher lived in Canada during the '70s. They used to call Crescent wrenches "metric wrenches" as the country was making the transition from imperial to metric at the time. You can likely put together a quality, USA-made set of mixed SAE wrenches for under $20. Pawnshops around here will sell you any size Proto, Challenger or Blackhawk wrench for 50 cents to $2 at the most. I'd go that route if I were in your position. I've got more time than money.
 

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As a tech in school I was wondering if everything in automotive pretty much moved to metric & away from standard? Everything we've seen at school from honda chevy toyota Ford fiat & nissan has all been metric so I was wondering is there any reason why I should buy standard wrenches & sockets? I don't want to buy them to just collect dust in my box

Personally I have not checked all fasteners on all new vehicles but a lot of people in here have been saying they have switched to metric fasteners on new vehicles. It depends on what you are working on. Do you work at a Toyota dealership or a general repair shop? Will you etch it in stone that you will only be working on metric stuff?

I noticed a Chevy truck made in the early 2000's had metric battery terminal bolts and a tiny SAE fastener that held the cabin air filter in. A lot of those trucks are still on the road and I have not checked every bolt on them to know what tools are required to service everything on them.

Years ago I put together a set of tools to go in my workshop. A lot of the stuff I work on requires SAE but I do have to use metric on other things. My set of tools has a good selection of both SAE and metric. I like to be prepared.
 

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My set of tools has a good selection of both SAE and metric. I like to be prepared.

Yeah. Although I use SAE almost exclusively at the shop, I do occasionally need a metric wrench or socket for a fastener, and the occasional friend of the shop will bring in a newer car. I can't imagine not having both at hand, even if you only use one of the measurement systems rarely. I'd just drop more money on the most commonly used tools, most likely metric nowadays.
 

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Hagatronics, that post reminds me of hanging around the shop when I was young. The guys would say "This wrench doesn't fit, grab me the metric crescent wrench" the other saying was "Never force anything,just get a bigger hammer"
 

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I foresee a time when standard tools become lifestyle purchases; tools for those who wrench on classics. I'd expect prices to go up a bit, as a result.

I don't think that time is as far away as people seem to believe. Perhaps another twenty years will push standard far enough into the shadows to begin seeing mass replacement in production environments.

It's the combination on modern vehicles that's annoying as hell. It's leaning well toward metric at this point, but not far enough to beat standard out of the engineers.

It's got to spread throughout component producers, as well; not just the final production line.
 
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