Is this the going rate for boxes right now?

[lethallyinjected]

I found a KRA4107 bottom and KRA4114 top in extreme green on craigslist for 1100. This just seems like a smokin price to me, or is that the norm right now? I usually see people asking 2-2500, but I don't know if they actually sell for that or not...

 

[Delray]

I've been looking for a good used SO box for a few months and about the best I run into is about 75% off of the retail for a new model. That set would retail for about $4000 so that's close if the box is nice. I paid about $1000 for a slightly smaller new Craftsman a few years ago and I would have preferred a good used SO like this one if it had been available. The original owners of these things seem to absorb all the depreciation. As other members suggested make sure the seller does not owe money on the box especially if it is only 2 or 3 years old.

 

[lethallyinjected]

I've seen alot of people mention to make sure there's no money owed on a box, but how do I go about finding this out? I called snap-on with the serial number to a box before and I was bounced around a couple people that all said there's nothing they can tell me with the serial number of a box.... or am I getting bs'd?

 

[Delray]

I had to call twice to check on one. They first told me it was not stolen but would have to check further to see if it was still financed and would call me back. After a week I called again and another person took the serial #'s and the name of the owner and told me no money was owed to Snap On. A day later I received a response from the first call with the same information. I guess it depends who you talk to. My other suggestion is to make sure you buy a big enough box. I outgrew my 40" Craftsman quick!

 

[GDA]

I see that setup go for around 1300 to 1750 on local CL in Tx for about the past year or so. At that price I'd jump on it. Great boxes and well built.

 

[stricht8]

A box is not a car or a house. It has no title. If somebody owes SO dealer money for a box then they owe money to the dealer. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

I see that setup go for around 1300 to 1750 on local CL in Tx for about the past year or so. At that price I'd jump on it. Great boxes and well built.

 

[DonL]

I got my SO box at about 75% off retail.

 

[Danglerb]

A box is not a car or a house. It has no title. If somebody owes SO dealer money for a box then they owe money to the dealer. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

Ridiculous or not, does anybody know for sure how SnapOn treats it (in case of warranty) and how the local sheriff treats it?

 

[Gregster]

A box is not a car or a house. It has no title. If somebody owes SO dealer money for a box then they owe money to the dealer. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

It's a gray area to be honest. The box is technically still owned by Snap-On until paid in full by the customer. While it might not have a title, once the box is paid off you'll be sent or should be a sent a letter stating that the box as been paid in full and you owe nothing on it. Remember you are financed through SO directly and not the dealer.

Now lets say someone buys a box that is still owed money on. The seller decides to pocket the money instead of paying the box off. There is no real way for SO to track me down and get the box back. I didn't leave the seller my name, he doesn't know who I am.

Laws vary in different places though. In Quebec you can only repossess items that have true "Certificates of Title/Registration" and it needs to pass through court. The repo is actually done by an officer of the court and not billy joe the repo man.

If I bought a box and money was still owed on it, I wouldn't be losing sleep a night. There is no way for them to track me down.

 

[Gregster]

Ridiculous or not, does anybody know for sure how SnapOn treats it (in case of warranty) and how the local sheriff treats it?

It's a civil matter. Mr so and so owes money for item, Mr so and so doesn't want to pay mr x. Mr.X calls the cops, Cops say there isn't much they can do...

 

[lethallyinjected]

Honestly this it the biggest part I'm trying to get over in picking up a used box... I guess I'm too much of a straight arrow, while at the same time new prices are just ridiculous.

 

[krusty the clown]

A box is not a car or a house. It has no title. If somebody owes SO dealer money for a box then they owe money to the dealer. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

most likely the money would be owed to snap on's financial dept (EC) on a loan secured by a UCC. it is as binding as a car or house loan.

you may be confused about an RA accout where the dealer is carrying the paper.......even then if you read the agreement you sign the merchandise remains the property of the DEALER until the account is paid in full.


it's NOT rediculous at all.........

 

[toadjammer]

A box is not a car or a house. It has no title. If somebody owes SO dealer money for a box then they owe money to the dealer. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

Actually the boxes are collateral in a consumer loan were the boxes and tools are security in getting the loan. There are loans that are made out this way and the purchaser can be charges with recieving stollen property. The old addage goes "If it is too good to be true, it probably is!"

 

[Gregster]

most likely the money would be owed to snap on's financial dept (EC) on a loan secured by a UCC. it is as binding as a car or house loan.

you may be confused about an RA accout where the dealer is carrying the paper.......even then if you read the agreement you sign the merchandise remains the property of the DEALER until the account is paid in full.


it's NOT rediculous at all.........

I was about to post that about the property remaining the property of the dealer until paid in full.

 

[Gregster]

Actually the boxes are collateral in a consumer loan were the boxes and tools are security in getting the loan. There are loans that are made out this way and the purchaser can be charges with recieving stollen property. The old addage goes "If it is too good to be true, it probably is!"

I can see that happening, The guy selling the box. He owes money on it. Sells the box then reports it as stolen.

 

[Delray]

When I buy something off CL of $100 or more and I don't know the seller I bring a copy of the listing and get a bill of sale signed on the back to prove I paid for it. If the seller happens to be a crook you can bet he will turn on anyone handy to save his skin.

 

[Lookin4'67Galaxieconv]

A box is not a car or a house. It has no title. If somebody owes SO dealer money for a box then they owe money to the dealer. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

There's a reason there's serial numbers on the back. Often, there's money owed on them, so it's a securitized asset. People do finance things other than houses and cars. There's nothing at all ridiculous about it...unless you don't have a problem with receiving stolen property?!

If I bought a box and money was still owed on it, I wouldn't be losing sleep a night. There is no way for them to track me down.

Since you know there's a possibility money is owed on it, I would recommend going the honest route and making sure it's paid off...esp. if the price is a 'steal'

 

[global72]

Ridiculous or not, does anybody know for sure how SnapOn treats it (in case of warranty) and how the local sheriff treats it?

When I was a MAC dealer some boxes sold went to MAC Finance and MAC owned the boxes. Others had a big enough trade and made large enough payments where I owned the box until paid for.

When people gave me money I gave them receipts. And MAC sends statements getting copies is easy.

It may seem ridiculous but when some guy is selling a 6 month old box with a new value of $3500 for $1000 a good question is "Did this guy seem like he had $3500 cash just 6 months ago?" Often the answer is no. If no someone either a company or a local dealer owns the product.

Also when guys skip out on their tool bill they turn back up. When they sell a financed item it's a felony and they always tell you who they sold it to.

I picked up 3 from private parties that paid some deadbeat cash for my stuff. All 3 just gave the stuff up. I am sure they could have just told me to go F myself. However then the legal issues with MAC would have started.

At the end of the day it is just a big freaking mess for all involved.

Typically after this post someone says " I would have told you to go F@#% yourself and the horse you rode in on"

I guess I will never know what people have against my horse.

 

[stricht8]

Ask the seller to write you up a receipt, don't give him your last name, pay with cash. Done.

I can see that happening, The guy selling the box. He owes money on it. Sells the box then reports it as stolen.