Yeah, sort of does.Hard to say but looks like copper to me.
I got nothing.
If an electrician thought the install in the OP was correct the whole panel probably needs to be required by someone competent
is this to code?
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I got nothing.
If an electrician thought the install in the OP was correct the whole panel probably needs to be required by someone competent
alfredeneuman
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SqD QO, Eaton CH.
Any backwire (not stab in) device with a pressure plate type connection. All GFI receptacles.
Chuckster in NJ
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oh boy. can someone pass the popcorn please
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alfredeneuman
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That's not the original photo the OP posted.
mike93lx
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No, but it's awesome
Sharp eye
alfredeneuman
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I thought the whole thread was about the OP's panel.
It's obviously not. That old photo has been posted on about every BB ever concerned with electrical. It was originally posted in the "Violation Photos"
section on ECM magazine by Joe Tedesco.
It's obviously not. That old photo has been posted on about every BB ever concerned with electrical. It was originally posted in the "Violation Photos"
section on ECM magazine by Joe Tedesco.
Did you read the quoted joke that chuckster replied with the picture to?
alfredeneuman
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Yes. That's where it made the whole thread go off topic. Congratulations
Thanks, I appreciate it.
This is a simple issue, that installation is not correct. The mfg instructions don't supercede NEC or the listing for related components. The line side lugs on a panel are NOT rated to have 2 wires, especially of varying sizes. Regardless if an SPD can be hardwired ahead of the mains, that isn't the way to do it.
Put it to a breaker in slot 1.
Not sure why any additional discussions were needed.
wyliesdiesels
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Sounds like someone needs some more coffee this morning
alfredeneuman
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1 and 3
Cruzan80
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Did it break due to a lightning strike? They make surge protectors for those...
Probably got wired wrongDid it break due to a lightning strike? They make surge protectors for those...
Sq D says my spd dont need a breaker. They do say that a breaker would make it easier to replace. So, I think I might leave it until it reaches eol, then replace with a breaker spd. Any thoughts about safety and leaving the wired doubled in lugs? I know it is against codes, Im thinking because both wires might not make good electrical connection, but mine look ok.
It's your house, but this is an absolutely dumb idea.
mike93lx
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I agree. I want to have everything in the panel cold when I flip that main, besides the feeder.
Saving a couple breaker spaces is not worth any potential benefit of having the SPD on the main, IMO
Those lugs are NOT rated for two wires, which means they are not capable of clamping correctly. Over time, that connection will expand/contract as the load generates heat. As the connection loosens, the heat generated gets worse and worse. Best case you just get an intermittent connection, worst case it overheats and burns your house down.
Edit: I stole this image from the Internet, it is not of the OP panel, but an example of an overheating terminal
It needs to be disconnected.
There's ways to do it, but based on your posts here I wouldn't advise you tackle this yourself, unless there is a disconnect upstream of this panel.
mike93lx
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I didn't say it was, just throwing out about all I can come up with for doing this
mike93lx
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You have two wires under a lug not designed for it and a device that you cannot disable without touching unfused connections.
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Cruzan80
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While Sq D may say you don't need a breaker, I don't think they said what is pictured is OK.
It is not safe, as others have stated. I would replace it with a breaker.
What is your stated reason for leaving it as is, when you are being told it is not installed as intended?
mike93lx
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Breaker? The one rated for your panel.
SPD device? No idea if there is much of a difference between brands.
I went with the homeline ones built into a two slot "breaker" in my mains, and a similar Siemens for a sub.
That appears to be a square D homeline panel.
You can ONLY use square D homeline breakers.
acer66
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Good reminder to use a different username for every forum.From the other forum …
mike93lx
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What you are standing on matters a lot less than what else you are touching while cutting that.
I will be touching three things. The wood. The tool. My other hand will hold the other end of cut insulated wire so it dont fall and touch anything.
mike93lx
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Make sure to engage safety squints
mike93lx
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no matter what you wear over your eyes or face, i 100% guarantee you'll still squint
Ill tape that wire inplace before cut so i dont need to be touching\holding it while it is cut from live lug.
Actually, I think that is over kill. That spd is conducting no current and is insulated, but still a path from hand to hand goes thru my heart & that not good.
Actually, I think that is over kill. That spd is conducting no current and is insulated, but still a path from hand to hand goes thru my heart & that not good.
Not if i close my eyes completelyno matter what you wear over your eyes or face, i 100% guarantee you'll still squint
mike93lx
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TouchéNot if i close my eyes completely