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MrSurly

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I've seen too many pop. I think the count is five, now. On at least two, I suspected a broken cell connector (internal) before the pop and that "this battery may be about to explode", stand way back... I expect this is almost always the ignition source. The cell connectors are lead, they are not substantial and they can break due to vibration, impacts, drops, fender benders and also due to the water (electrolyte) being low, exposing the connectors to air, leading to corrosion and failure. If a connector is cracked it can cause a spark *inside* the battery case, setting off the blast.
If you have a perfectly good battery *suddenly go flat* (no or very low voltage) you probably have a broken cell connector. Placing a load on it is likely to cause the spark, charging it can, as well. I have also had a battery suffer a cell connector failure while driving, which caused a whole range of symptoms and problems caused by the resulting AC voltage (a whole nuther story) but that batt didn't blow up.
 
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I’ve seen more than a few blow and had a few blow on me while working in the shop. It’s no joke. Had a LIPO blow up in one of my RC airplanes. Long story short. Plane went up in flames like it was shot down by a missle. The field I was flying in caught on fire. Fire truck came. $600+ up in flames. One of my kids power wheels Jeep battery’s blew up under the hood. Blew the hood off in several pieces. That was a new battery. I just had both my trolling motor batteries in my boat go bad. Noticed not charging and weak performance out of the trolling motor. Both were low. Added distilled water and recharged. Both started boiling and stinking bad. Pulled off charger immediately. Both are on a expensive dual bank boat charger. There’s another $450 in batteries. That’s how it goes when you have about 10 batteries to maintain all the time around the garage.


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Nothing really funny about the battery that I know of. It came out of Grandad's hot rod - been sitting way to long as is usually the case with hot rods, and didn't seem to be charging this time, so I replaced it.

Decided, what the heck, and threw that trickle charger onto it to see if it would come back around. Left the shop for a week and came back to this.

That battery would have been a prime candidate to pop the caps off to check the fluid level over the plates.

I don't think anyone takes the caps off when a battery is hooked to a trickle charger or battery maintainer.

Even still, why wouldn't the caps just pop off instead of blowing up the whole thing?

Is it safe for me to leave a trickle charger/maintainer on my motorcycle or sports car through the winter?

You may find the information provided in the link below informative.
https://www.trojanbattery.com/tech-support/battery-maintenance/

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Back in the 80s on a trip to DC. Walking down the street on a very hot summer night. As we walked passed a cabbie getting a jump start - boom. He got sprayed in the eyes and couldn't see, we guided him into a coffee shop and flushed his eyes. To this day I always close my eyes before I clamp the negative cable on the engine block.
 

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It's always a good idea to make the last connection to a ground point that is somewhere else than the actual battery. Many modern cars actually have a marked ground and some even a positive charging point that are safer to connect to than the battery itself. Also, open the hood and let the engine compartment ventilate for a couple minutes to help any hydrogen to dissipate
 

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I had one blow up in a 73 F250 about 30 years ago. I put a 10 amp charger on it and checked on it a couple hours later. It blew up. I was told it was caused by being discharged and frozen at the time. I ended up bring buckets of hot water from the house and pouring it everywhere under the hood.
 

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Way back when I was a kid working at a gas station, a good looking mom pulled into the lot in a station wagon and said her car was acting funny. My boss saw her get out of the car and came out to "help". I asked her to release the hood and my boss said, "I'll take care of this, go back to what you were doing". He started to open the hood and when it was about belly high the battery blew up. He was lucky he didn't open it more quickly, it may have gotten him right in the face.


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have had it happen 2x over the years.
Once a freshly painted car,240Z,found caps in driveway
garage door was closed.
Other half pushed car out and hosed it all down,while I ran inside
to kitchen sink to flood face and hands.
numerous cuts to face and hands from plastic.
No damage to the Z but it did blow the battery access cover off.
I developed a new found respect for batteries.
Other halfs boss decided to check water level using a bic lighter.
Blew in his face,patches over both eyes for 6 months due to acid burns.
lucky to have his sight back
 

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In most cases, the hydrogen exploding is only a minor part (or no part) of these explosions.

Hydrogen is so light that unless contained it quickly dissipates, and the battery case can hold fairly little - not enough for a powerful explosion. Enough to crack a case, and jar connections or splash some acid, but usually not much more unless it causes cells to short.

Most of the explosions described here are caused by the huge amount of energy in the battery being released into a short circuit - either caused by the output terminals or heavy cable being shorted somewhere or by an internal failure in the battery.

There is enough energy in the battery to almost instantly vaporise the acid causing essentially a steam explosion. As batteries age, the plates expand and while it is common to get a failed shorted cell from this growth, sometimes the short happens while the battery is charged, the cell boils and the case explodes.

A small hydrogen pop can likewise damage the insulators and cascade into the short circuit failure mode.
 
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In most cases, the hydrogen exploding is only a minor part (or no part) of these explosions.

Hydrogen is so light that unless contained it quickly dissipates, and the battery case can hold fairly little - not enough for a powerful explosion. Enough to crack a case, and jar connections or splash some acid, but usually not much more unless it causes cells to short.

Most of the explosions described here are caused by the huge amount of energy in the battery being released into a short circuit - either caused by the output terminals or heavy cable being shorted somewhere or by an internal failure in the battery.

There is enough energy in the battery to almost instantly vaporise the acid causing essentially a steam explosion. As batteries age, the plates expand and while it is common to get a failed shorted cell from this growth, sometimes the short happens while the battery is charged, the cell boils and the case explodes.

A small hydrogen pop can likewise damage the insulators and cascade into the short circuit failure mode.

Thank you.

This makes sense.
 
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Had it happen to me years ago. I had a battery being charged, I thought I heard something, leaned over to look (sort of stupid when you think about it) and boom! The top blew off in my face. Very lucky I had very minor acid burns without anything getting into my eyes.

Kept my eyes closed, found my way to the wash room, splashed water in my face. Scared the heck out of everyone.
 

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I have seen it happen several times. Rule one, always check the water level before making any connection. the lack of water will give the hydrogen a place to gather. The second rule is always make the ground connection away from the battery post. ALWAYS wear safety glasses around batteries for obvious reasons. They go boom and make a big mess.
 

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In most cases, ~snip~ essentially a steam explosion..

allowing first for the fact that it really doesn't matter which; I just want to state that in lieu of source material, I'm on the record as not buying this steam hypothesis. (again, it doesn't matter, all the dangers and the precautions apply)
 

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What about when charging a battery on it's own?

You might consider unplugging the charger before disconnecting, and consider the ventilation as well. Ventilation would blow the hydrogen away fairly easily.

I worry about this, but I am not sure about how to mitigate all the risk. I have a couple of cars on tenders, and I would hate to bust one. I guess I could just unhook the batteries for the winter. I had one not long ago, got hot while charging on a 2 amp setting. I am lucky really that it didn't do worse.
 

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Had a battery blow while driving back in college, and it scared the **** out of me. What a mess it made in the engine bay, I couldn't image that mess in my garage out in the open. Turned out the car had a bad alternator and was overcharging, fried some electronics too in the process.
 

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I don't think anyone takes the caps off when a battery is hooked to a trickle charger or battery maintainer.

Even still, why wouldn't the caps just pop off instead of blowing up the whole thing?

Is it safe for me to leave a trickle charger/maintainer on my motorcycle or sports car through the winter?

I charge my marine batteries once during winter, same as hotrod battery. Not a fan of the idea of leaving a trickle charger on all winter, not really necessary
I have a Napa trickle charger mounted in engine bay of my daily driver so when block heater is in use so it the battery charger. Done this for decades and never a issue. I leave my truck plugged in at a stinking cold environment frequently and easy starts with warm block/battery

Had similar truck to your avatar and had two batteries/trickle charger and block heater
 

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Working at Mt Snow back in 1981 a a lift mechanic, I went to the base of lift 16 which was run by an air cooled Wisconsin back up engine. The battery was in need of replacement and I was told to bring a new one out and change it. What I didn't know was that the built in charger had been put on a 20 amp charge mode and so when I went to put a wrench on the terminal it blew up in my face blowing me off an elevated platform. Next thing I knew, I was in an ambulance with my face being bathed in water. Spent a couple days in the hospital and was very lucky because I wear glasses. Lesson learned from that one.... ALWAYS double check the surroundings. I should have made sure to unplug the charger first.
 

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I don't get over here very often, but saw this thread and couldn't pass up sharing my experience.

I work on powersports stuff for my day job. Mostly ATV's, bikes, and side-by-sides. We used to sell/service Bad Boy MTV's (separate company from bad boy buggies which is owned by ez-go). They're now called "intimidator UTV". Anyway, the MTV I was messing with was a 48v electric. Eight 6v batteries, big ones-as I recall those batteries are about 75 lb each. So this guy brings one in and says it won't go. Very common complaint with electric carts. I hate them. Anyway, the state of charge "gauge" was showing "low" so I had him drop it off, we'd charge it overnight and then come back tomorrow & check it out. Fair enough he says. Pushed that heavy pile of trash into the shop, hooked the cord up to it, watched the charger and went home. Everything was going fine. Came in next morning, charger was "off" (it turns itself off when charge is complete). SOC indicator gauge says "full". Hmm. Well what's the problem? Guy said it wouldn't go. I climbed on, hit the throttle and it goes just fine, full power, full speed. Drove around the parking lot for about 30 minutes or so at varying speeds. Anyway, I was driving around and made a turn-at which time it lost all power, would barely pull itself. Nothing else unusual. SOC gauge says "1/2". Figured batteries were getting aged and probably time to replace them. Sat there for a minute, floored it, barely moves, and within a second a big kaboom. I was blown off of the seat, seat was broken off of it's mount, myself and the parking lot and the entire MTV was covered in battery acid, tons of smoke, some fire. I landed maybe 10 feet from the MTV, thankfully it was in a cold water-filled ditch which I used to wash the acid off of my face and head. Man it was cold. But at least I saved my eyesight.

Anyway by time I got it pulled back around to the shop, the cops show up wanting to know what the big boom was. Told them what happened, and asked who called it in. They said he had about 5 calls from different places-2 of them were about a mile away, said they heard an unusual explosion sound and they became concerned. That tell you anything?

One of the 4 under-seat batteries was completely black/charred. 6 others (2 under the bed, one under the nose, and the others under the seat) had all blown apart, completely. There was nothing left but lead plates and a bunch of acid. Washed what I could off and told the boss what happened, who called the owner.

To this day, I've not regained my hearing. About 50%. The accident happened about 5 years ago. I can no longer go out to the woods or the water and enjoy quiet because of the constant high pitched ring. I hate it.

What caused it? One of the 8 batteries (the black one) had an internal short apparently-or that's what the battery people (interstate) said, which overheated it-and ignited the hydrogen. What caused the others to bust? Dunno. They busted from inside out, not outside in as would be expected if a neighboring battery exploded.

What did I learn? Respect batteries-especially lead-acid. And I no longer work on electric carts, period. If that thing would've exploded inside the building, the whole back of the shop would have been damaged or destroyed, and I decided that we won't take that chance again.


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Those caps are supposed to vent gases when charging while driving. When I put a charger or Battery Tender on our vehicles, I point a fan at the engine to blow off gases before connecting the leads. I do positive first on the + terminal then - on the vehicle chassis ground instead of the - terminal.
 
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