ITE breaker replacement

[40cpe]

I need to add a breaker to a very old weather proof box on a service pole. I can't find any identification on the box. The breaker in the box says ITE on the side. The breaker is held in the box by a "j" type hook at the base and the lugs at the other end, much like a Square D.

Logistics such as they are, it would be much better to take the breaker on the first trip, rather than having to remove the existing breaker and try to match it up. The site is in a rural area and serves the mobil home of my MIL. Any leads on a compatible breaker are appreciated.

 

[Stuff]

ITE was bought by Siemens. Please post a picture as that would help.

Is it something like this? http://www.relectric.com/Store/Circuit-Breakers/BQ1B020

 

[40cpe]

The pictured breaker mounting at the base and lug look the same. The wire termination on the existing breaker is a standard lug with a slotted screw. It is a 60 amp. The breaker is about 30 miles from me. I'll get a picture this coming week if nothing definitive turns up before then. Thanks for the info on Siemens.

The only existing breaker in the box is the main for the house. If I remove it for match-up the house will be without power. The box is in a rural area out from a small town, no telling how far I'll have to drive to find one.

 

[The Cobbler]

I owned a house in the mid nineties that was built in early seventies, had an ITE breaker box. I could not find any breakers ever, and Siemens didn't supply new (discontinued)

In the end I used the dual breakers that were originally for the electric baseboard heaters ( replaced with Forced air propane) and cut the bar so they were now " independent" not sure if it was legal or not but electrician never said anything

 

[rockwithjason]

Siemens makes replacement units for these. Take some pics and write down any info on the unit and make some calls to your local electric suppliers. You may have some luck at home depot also

 

[69gp]

I need to add a breaker to a very old weather proof box on a service pole. I can't find any identification on the box. The breaker in the box says ITE on the side. The breaker is held in the box by a "j" type hook at the base and the lugs at the other end, much like a Square D.

Logistics such as they are, it would be much better to take the breaker on the first trip, rather than having to remove the existing breaker and try to match it up. The site is in a rural area and serves the mobil home of my MIL. Any leads on a compatible breaker are appreciated.

you could check this place out just download the catalog. they have a lot of used and old stock.

if you don't see it just call and ask for Mike Giliki.

http://bb-trading.com/



steve

 

[40cpe]

Thanks everyone for the comments and information. I guess it boils down to having to get the existing breaker out and get numbers from it. I was hoping for a shortcut.

thanks again

 

[Mustang51js]

If it's your basic push in breaker breaker like the pic but without the screw hole then you can get them at homedepot,you would have to get Murray but they are the same,and another option Is cutler hammer makes a br series breakers that with the right paperwork are universal for that style breaker. Seamans,Murray,ite,ch br series,some ge,and sq-d homeline all fit the same panels but legally can't swap them because the lawyers go after that stuff.

 

[Norcal]

ITE was known by a number of names, ITE Circuit Breaker Co., ITE Imperial Corp., Gould/ITE, ITE Electrical Products Div. of Siemens Allis, ITE Electrical Products Div. of Siemens Energy & Automation, & since about the late 1990's just Siemens, plus ITE owned Bulldog Electric which is where the Pushmatic breakers came from. `Then there , are brands which no longer exist such as Zinsco/Sylvania/Challenger, FPE, Federal Pacific Electric, Bryant Electric which lives on as the BR line of Eaton/ Cutler-Hammer, Westinghouse, Wadsworth Electric, & Crouse-Hinds who reverted to their former name of Murray & is part of Siemens.

This does present a problem when trying to replace breakers, accessories for companies who have ceased to exist or changed names & trying to comply with the listing & labeling of the equipment, but Eaton does have some UL classified breakers that are allowed in other manufacturers products. BTW, Eaton is phasing out the Cutler-Hammer name in favor of their own, so one can add another to the above list.

 

[Norcal]

If it's your basic push in breaker breaker like the pic but without the screw hole then you can get them at homedepot,you would have to get Murray but they are the same,and another option Is cutler hammer makes a br series breakers that with the right paperwork are universal for that style breaker. Seamans,Murray,ite,ch br series,some ge,and sq-d homeline all fit the same panels but legally can't swap them because the lawyers go after that stuff.

A SQ D HOM is not classified by UL to be in any panel other then SQ D HomeLine. There is no known paperwork out there allowing Siemens/ Murray in any other panel besides Murray even though the breakers were designed in the late 1970's when Gould Inc. owned ITE , it used to be w/ me that if a ITE breaker fit, that what was used but have seen the error of that & stopped doing it.

 

[MoFoJoe]

ITE push-on loadcenters are pretty unique as far as ckt breakers go. ITE breakers will fit in other panels but only ITE breakers will work in their panels (as far as I know). The ITE's busbar bakelite mating tongue is wider.

 

[Mustang51js]

A SQ D HOM is not classified by UL to be in any panel other then SQ D HomeLine. There is no known paperwork out there allowing Siemens/ Murray in any other panel besides Murray even though the breakers were designed in the late 1970's when Gould Inc. owned ITE , it used to be w/ me that if a ITE breaker fit, that what was used but have seen the error of that & stopped doing it.

Cutler hammer has a breaker that comes with a list of panels it's allowed to go in, it looks just like the br series. I know that if I buy them they give me a paper for each one so I can leave it with the panel for inspection. Not sure if it goes with the homeline but to me it seems it's more of a money thing for most of the breakers not being interchangeable.

 

[alfredeneuman]

The Cutler-Hammer Classified Breakers you cited are compatible with Crouse Hinds, T&B (which are both obsolete), Homeline, GE, Siemens, and Murray

.....but makes no mention of ITE

 

[40cpe]

Coincidence or not, I found a guy on Craigslist with some breakers to sell. Turns out one is a 30A ITE Q series. Comparing it at Lowes, It looks like the Siemens Q230 is the same.

Thanks for all the input.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

ITE was known by a number of names, ITE Circuit Breaker Co., ITE Imperial Corp., Gould/ITE, ITE Electrical Products Div. of Siemens Allis, ITE Electrical Products Div. of Siemens Energy & Automation, & since about the late 1990's just Siemens, plus ITE owned Bulldog Electric which is where the Pushmatic breakers came from. `Then there , are brands which no longer exist such as Zinsco/Sylvania/Challenger, FPE, Federal Pacific Electric, Bryant Electric which lives on as the BR line of Eaton/ Cutler-Hammer, Westinghouse, Wadsworth Electric, & Crouse-Hinds who reverted to their former name of Murray & is part of Siemens.

This does present a problem when trying to replace breakers, accessories for companies who have ceased to exist or changed names & trying to comply with the listing & labeling of the equipment, but Eaton does have some UL classified breakers that are allowed in other manufacturers products. BTW, Eaton is phasing out the Cutler-Hammer name in favor of their own, so one can add another to the above list.

Just how on earth do u keep up with it all and keep it straight. Its hard for me to remember which breakers are compatable and UL listed for which panel so i stick to the same brand unless i can find a label in the panel....

 

[Norcal]

Just how on earth do u keep up with it all and keep it straight. Its hard for me to remember which breakers are compatable and UL listed for which panel so i stick to the same brand unless i can find a label in the panel....

The only breakers "listed" for a panel is OEM in most cases, UL "classifies" other makes to fit other makes of panels but you have to have the paperwork to prove it, except where the original manufacturer no longer exists it' simpler just use the same make.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

The only breakers "listed" for a panel is OEM in most cases, UL "classifies" other makes to fit other makes of panels but you have to have the paperwork to prove it, except where the original manufacturer no longer exists it' simpler just use the same make.

Yes i know that. What I meant was how do u keep up with and remember all the brands and who bought who etc.?

 

[Norcal]

I remember useless trivia.