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Interesting read, thanks for sharing.

The truth is, as far as batteries go there will always be improvements. We’re still learning and developing at a rapid pace. That doesn’t mean the tools will necessarily change much...yet.

I’m happy with my 18v DeWalt tools running a factory Li-on battery and am just now purchasing some knockoff 18v Li-on batteries. We’ll see how it goes.
 

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I've never understood the obsession, with having one battery to fit every cordless device.

I think I have 3 different chargers and a few direct plug-ins.

It's really not that big of deal. :confused:

No doubt battery technology will continue to evolve. Everybody And his brother makes aftermarket batteries, for those who cannot (for whatever reasons) upgrade tool battery platforms.
 
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I've never understood the obsession, with having one battery to fit every cordless device.

I think I have 3 different chargers and a few direct plug-ins.

It's really not that big of deal. :confused:

Actually it is...

Where do you do your work? If it’s just at your house in your own garage, I’m sure that’s fine. However...

I do work at the In-laws farm in NE Indiana, or at my parents 2.5 hours in NW Indiana, or at the vacation home in Gulf Shores, or at my rental 45 minutes across town. The last thing I want is to pack 3 battery systems just to do some projects. That’s at minimum 6 batteries and 3 chargers. Pass. I have corded tools, but really don’t use them anymore.
 

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I do a fair amount of volunteer work. One guy has a DEWALT drill/impact, Milwaukee sawzall, and makita circular saw. When he burns through the batteries on whatever tool he happens to be using most, he is basically done if there is no place to recharge.

I can switch batteries between tools as needed. I don’t even bother taking anything but my M18 tools off-site for work for that reason. If you never leave home, it’s probably not a big deal one way or another.
 

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Actually it is...

Where do you do your work? If it’s just at your house in your own garage, I’m sure that’s fine. However...

I do work at the In-laws farm in NE Indiana, or at my parents 2.5 hours in NW Indiana, or at the vacation home in Gulf Shores, or at my rental 45 minutes across town. The last thing I want is to pack 3 battery systems just to do some projects. That’s at minimum 6 batteries and 3 chargers. Pass. I have corded tools, but really don’t use them anymore.

I have a big plastic tool carry case I just unplug everything an throw it all in the box.

It might take 3 minutes.
 

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Its threads like this that convince me that keeping corded and pneumatic tools is the correct thing to do for me.

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I have no opinion on your choice of tools, but how in the world does improving battery technology reinforce whatever your reasoning is?

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Its threads like this that convince me that keeping corded and pneumatic tools is the correct thing to do for me.

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I have no opinion on your choice of tools, but how in the world does improving battery technology reinforce whatever your reasoning is?

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I love cordless tools, but I have corded drills and tools that were bought in the mid 80's still going strong.
how many cordless tools are around from that era , still in use?
or, a cordless tool bought now, will it be around in 35 years?
 

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I love cordless tools, but I have corded drills and tools that were bought in the mid 80's still going strong.

how many cordless tools are around from that era , still in use?

or, a cordless tool bought now, will it be around in 35 years?

There are certainly valid reasons for owning corded or pneumatic tools, but none I can think of that are made more valid with improvement in battery technology. That was the part that confused me.

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Actually it is...

Where do you do your work? If it’s just at your house in your own garage, I’m sure that’s fine. However...

I do work at the In-laws farm in NE Indiana, or at my parents 2.5 hours in NW Indiana, or at the vacation home in Gulf Shores, or at my rental 45 minutes across town. The last thing I want is to pack 3 battery systems just to do some projects. That’s at minimum 6 batteries and 3 chargers. Pass. I have corded tools, but really don’t use them anymore.

It's just habit.

I'm a plumber and my tools are of 4 different battery platforms, doesn't bother me.
Granted, they are kind of "grouped by task" so it's highly unlikely to use all platforms at the same day...
 

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I've never understood the obsession, with having one battery to fit every cordless device.

I think I have 3 different chargers and a few direct plug-ins.

It's really not that big of deal. :confused:

No doubt battery technology will continue to evolve. Everybody And his brother makes aftermarket batteries, for those who cannot (for whatever reasons) upgrade tool battery platforms.

In a shop setting where you are always close to a charger it doesnt matter.

Working in the field it's a different ball game. Chargers and batteries take up a ton of space on a service truck.

I've got a circular saw, jig saw, recip saw, drill, impact driver, light, and small SDS hammer on my truck sharing 8 batteries and 2 chargers. I still have days where I run out of power. Depends on the work. And I'm still using alot of corded tools for the big stuff.

I've also give up on cordless grinders. I'll keep one around to cut a random bolt or sharpen a random tool. They are battery hogs and completely unrealistic for any real work
 
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There are certainly valid reasons for owning corded or pneumatic tools, but none I can think of that are made more valid with improvement in battery technology. That was the part that confused me.

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Sorry for dragging up an old thread but I missed the question poised to me.

but how in the world does improving battery technology reinforce whatever your reasoning is?
I'm over 70 years of age. If I'd bought into the latest and greatest battery tech 30 years ago then I would have probably bought and thrown away 3-4 sets of tools because the tech on the batteries changed. It's the same with cell phones or devises. How many have discarded perfectly good devises because of changes in tech? My old tools have served me well and continue to do so.

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I have no opinion on your choice of tools, but how in the world does improving battery technology reinforce whatever your reasoning is?
I think that most people either didn't read the linked story or have completely misunderstood it.

The story has nothing to do with making existing platforms obsolete, nor does it have anything to do with cross platform battery compatibility. It's just a story about a company claiming innovations in the Li-Ion cell technology that gives them better capacity and better cold weather performance and faster charging capability.

There's nothing in the story that says these improved cells are in any way incompatible with existing platforms. Our 4AH batteries didn't suddenly stop working when 5AH batteries became available did they. People are reading way too much into this.
 

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^^^^ This.

I have replaced battery packs for my cordless tools with higher Amp-hour rated aftermarket packs that are compatible with both the tools and the chargers, but for performance they are superior in almost every way to the originals provided from the manufacturer.

It helps to have a few years elapse in between the original purchase and replacement, of course.
 

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I'm over 70 years of age. If I'd bought into the latest and greatest battery tech 30 years ago then I would have probably bought and thrown away 3-4 sets of tools because the tech on the batteries changed. It's the same with cell phones or devises. How many have discarded perfectly good devises because of changes in tech? My old tools have served me well and continue to do so.
If your tools work fine for you, then that's all that matters.

That said, you didn't have to be a genius 30 years ago to know the battery tools of the time were mainly convenience at the significant expense of function/capability vs. their corded/air brothers. In that timeframe, I didn't pick up much of anything battery, even though I utterly hated corded tools because of the reach limitations and awkwardness of cords. I made the wholesale jump to cordless with Craftsman's C3 batteries a decade or so ago, and they were absolutely awesome for their time. Since then Sears imploded and C3 was orphaned, so I switched to Milwaukee. The wealth of excellent choices at the time was amazing, and has only gotten better.

Batteries have improved, the cordless tools have vastly improved. Corded has largely remained the same for... decades. Part of that is where the investment went, but part of it was the corded stuff mainly tended to be very mature where cordless needed improvement to get to the level of corded.

Today, outside of battery capacity there aren't many examples where the best cordless tools are meaningfully less-capable than corded. Things like grinders are always going to be energy intensive and therefor better for extended use with a cord, but even that is a somewhat diminishing advantage given how well quick chargers work these days. Three batteries and a quick charger give you a lot of (essentially) continuous work. And many cordless tools have features you don't see in their corded brothers - for example, the "mode" on my Milwaukee impacts that will sense when a fastener is loose and switches from impacting to spinning (or when tightening, spins until snug and then stops to allow you to impact only as much as you want). Quick-stop on my grinder is another example. These and similar features make the usability and safety of those tools eons better, at least for me.

As for battery platforms, I've got enough going on in my garage without a ton of chargers and a bunch of different batteries to keep up with. I've got three total battery platform with two chargers: Ego for the yard/lawn stuff and Milwaukee M18/M12 platforms that use the same charger. This works great for me.

There are a few tools where I don't think transitioning to battery is worth it for most people (and certainly not for me). I get the lure of a battery miter saw for a contractor or other mobile scenario, but for most of us we're in a single spot that has convenient-enough power. I guess I'd take one if it was given to me, but would have to think about it if it wasn't Milwaukee. That's not a 'team red' thing - I just have a great corded miter saw and given the very-limited value for me of for losing the cord, I'd probably just keep what I've got vs. adding another charger/battery platform to my garage.

I have a completely different opinion for circular saws. I had a fantastic Makita hypoid circular saw. I sold it when I got a deal on the M18 equivalent, and I don't miss the Makita one bit. Cords in that application were hugely inconvenient and occasionally dangerous. If I used a router enough to justify it, I'd make the jump there too for the same reasons. Fantastic tool, except the cord makes it worse.

Anyway, that's enough pre-caffeine ranting for one morning...
 

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Cordless tool technologies probably changed significantly since this thread died a much-needed death

Appears that for some people the worst thing about technology is that it changes

I remember when I had a fairly decent set of craftsman cordless tools of Nicad batteries

My wife wanted me to pick out my own Christmas presents so I started purchasing the upgraded stuff with the lithium ion batteries

I never touched the old set ever again and I’ve been using the new stuff for over 13 years
 
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If there is a large leap in battery capacity technology, adapters will be the hot ticket item.
 

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Because it saves you a lot of money and space. Who wants to re-buy a bunch of expensive batteries?
Don’t ask me.

I haven’t replaced a cordless batteries since the NiCad days

At least for me, managing chargers has not been that big a deal
 

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Sooo....

Where are my 10 AH batteries? It's been four years!

I really need them to power my jetpack and flying car! Should be able the charge them FAST using my Mr. Fusion.
 

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Don’t ask me.

I haven’t replaced a cordless batteries since the NiCad days

At least for me, managing chargers has not been that big a deal
You're still going to end up spending more money on batteries and chargers (which adds up real fast with modern lithium batteries). Not to mention the extra space they all take up. You could run an entire work shop worth of tools on just 2 batteries if they're under the same battery platform.
 

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You're still going to end up spending more money on batteries and chargers (which adds up real fast with modern lithium batteries). Not to mention the extra space they all take up. You could run an entire work shop worth of tools on just 2 batteries if they're under the same battery platform.
Two batteries? Maybe for Joey mchomeowner that hangs a picture 3x a year.

Chargers come free with kits. I've thrown them away from having more than I can use.
 
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You're still going to end up spending more money on batteries and chargers (which adds up real fast with modern lithium batteries). Not to mention the extra space they all take up. You could run an entire work shop worth of tools on just 2 batteries if they're under the same battery platform.
If money and space are a concerne, then I agree they should try to stick with one platform

I have both so I guess I don’t look at it that way

I have a Ryobi 18v+I use for caulking gun, and yard sprayer. I am happy with both but as far as purchasing anything else, I have no interest. Since I already have other tools under other battery platforms.

Every charger I own, including one for ego. Batteries probably doesn’t cover a half of a card table.
 

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You're still going to end up spending more money on batteries and chargers (which adds up real fast with modern lithium batteries). Not to mention the extra space they all take up. You could run an entire work shop worth of tools on just 2 batteries if they're under the same battery platform.
No, you can’t, at least not in some of the shops I’ve been in.
I’ve seen people in shops spending hours a day just cutting small details out of sheets of plywood or other sheet products with an electric jigsaw.
I’ve also seen people spending hours just grinding.
The number of batteries you would need to keep continuously working, while allowing the batteries to cool down, and then recharge, is way higher than two, especially if you need to switch out to different tools, such as drilling holes.
Fein, Bosch, and a few other manufacturers still make “high frequency” power tools for industrial use, that are designed for continuous grinding, for hours on end, with absolutely no loss of speed or torque.
Even standard 110/120v power and 220/240v power can’t compete in some circumstances.
 

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It's silly to debate how many batteries it takes to make someone work well. It depends on what they do and especially what tools they use.

Rapid chargers can reduce the number, though I don't love hammering on batteries but so much - I tend to let them cool down after use and then charge them, for example.

But ultimately, a grinder isn't going to be up to a day of work with any single battery, where circular saws probably can.

Whatever works you is all that matters. I'm sure some people find my hatred of cords for things like circular saws a non issue.
 

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Whatever works you is all that matters. I'm sure some people find my hatred of cords for things like circular saws a non issue.

Hee hee! As a kid, I killed soooooo many extension cords with hedge trimmers..... and extension cords are such drama queens in those situations. Sparks everywhere, the cord is stuck fast in the blades of the trimmer, you're 100' from the outlet..... and for some reason the breaker doesn't trip.

Thank gawd for cordless....

-Ryan
 

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Whatever works you is all that matters. I'm sure some people find my hatred of cords for things like circular saws a non issue.
One thing that will certainly instill hatred for cords is a lifetime of hauling them all over the damned place--up on the roof, under the crawlspace, in the attic and everywhere else. Having to try to tie knots that keep the tool cord and the extension cord plugged together while hauling them all over said places, then the knot snags on everything....

Do you know why a carpenter always carries his extension cord on the airplane?

If the plane is crashing, simply bust the window, toss the cord out and it's sure to snag on something before you hit the ground!

Now, if someone would please invent a hoseless lawn sprinkler....
 

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Man, wait til you find out about irrigation systems... :)
Still gotta have hoses for where the pop-up system doesn't reach. The yard at the pub is a chopped-up mess with a creek running through the middle of.

Speaking of irrigation, ever move handline? There's something that might convince a fella that college and a desk job is a pretty good option.
 

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The battery article is written from the perspective of an optimistic startup. And 50% more storage capacity certainly sounds great. The problem seems to be that silicon-lithium batteries have very short lifecycles - like 10 discharge/charge cycles - so that is an issue that has to be worked around for this technology to succeed.

Some startups succeed, others are delayed, and most fail. The 2020 article said that silicon-lithium batteries would be in cars in 2024. They aren’t. Is the technology just delayed a year or two? Is it never going to work? The jury is still out.

I have plenty of cordless tools and I use them a lot. But I also have corded tools for when I need to run hard for a long time. I don’t think it’s an either/or situation. Some corded examples are “3 HP” routers, sawzall (have a battery one too), and a Bosch drill with very serious torque.
 
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