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Jack-stands for e36 BMW

e36jon

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Greetings all

I just finished up a project that's been a long-time running and thought someone might find it useful.

I happen to have an e36 BMW (1992-1998) sedan, and it has lifting pucks behind the front wheels and ahead of the rear wheels. You can use them as jacking points, or you can use them to support the car with jack-stands. I have four of the basic ratcheting style jack-stands and it has always been a bit terrifying to get the car set up on them:

1. There is always a gap between the jack-stand and the pad because they only adjust in 1" increments. So, I would end up having to lower the car onto them and hoping I had them lined up correctly. With the new ones the goal was to have screw adjustment so that I could bring the jack-stand up to the jack-point before releasing the jack.

2. The tops of the ratcheting jack-stands aren't really set up for rotation. I would get one pair set, usually the front, and then jack up the other end. The car would rotate through 10-12 degrees as I raised the other end, and it was always scary hoping that the car didn't fall off while I was doing this. The goal for the new jack-stands was some method to allow rotation / pivoting while staying securely located.

3. Even with the jack-stands I had at the top of their range, I still didn't have a ton of room under the car. The goal with the new design was ~24" of clearance. I bought a new jack in anticipation...

So, now you know why I would bother. Yes, a lift would be so incredibly bitchin', but it's not possible for a while.

It turns out the jack pads are removable, and that they plug into the slot that's used to hold the cars down during shipping from Europe. I decided to design the tops of my new jack-stands to interface with the slot feature rather than the plastic jack-plug, just to be extra secure.

OK, enough preamble. Here are the details.

I bought these jack-stands as the basis for my improvements, since they were tall enough (16"-30"), were rated for way more weight than I needed (6000 lb.), and incorporated a screw adjustment feature: (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PE2VIVE/?tag=atomicindus08-20) That they were only ~$50 a pair was also a huge win!

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First step was removing the existing top-pad from the jack-stand, which is held on with a knurled stud:

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This image shows the stud and the hole in the top of the jack-stand shaft. On the right is another jack-stand shaft that looked identical on Amazon, but won't work.:

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I got some help from a long-time CNC vendor that I use for work projects. He gifted these to me which was the coolest thing anyone has done for me in a very long time. I had gotten quotes from other vendors for $600-$1200 for the 4, so if he hadn't of made them a gift I would have quit right there...

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The rest of the assembly involved a 1/2" dia. steel roll-pin, 1" diameter stainless steel knobs that were drilled / tapped for 3/8 thread that I drilled out to 1/2", an 0.875" ID x 0.060" thick shim (washer), and three 1/4X20 fasteners. I also had to drill the top shaft of the jack-stand to 1/2".:

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They work! See next post for photos...

Cheers,

Jon
 

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e36jon

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Here are a few pics in-use.

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All four wheels in the air:

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I'm stoked! Things worked as I hoped they would, for a change...

Cheers!

Jon
 

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e36jon

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Thanks Cold2o

Yeah, you have a point regarding scratching. I made the 'pin' on the pads long enough that I could put a rubber pad on there and still have plenty of engagement thinking it would be an issue.

After using them just now I am not too concerned. That area is covered in under-coating and is pretty groady already. Also, the pads are a fairly tight fit, so there's no relative movement between the car and the pad.

We'll see what everything looks like when I take it down...
 

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I bought a pair of those same Camco jack stands a few years ago, and while they are very strong I still get leary of their stability when you get them up pretty high. The leg spacing seems narrow for their height capacity.
 
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Nice.

I would be inclined to tie those legs together. The only thing keeping them from spreading are the welds on the body of the stand.
 

MillerMav

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Very cool idea! I need something similar for my 86 911. One stand always seems to not "hold its weight" so to speak.

I agree on stability though. If anything I would probably add a couple pressure treated 2x6's to the bottoms to make the base a little bigger. But I don't have any real world experience with these so good on yah man.
 

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nice! i usually use those "rocker" jack pad adapters (getting a jack under my car is hard enough) but i put my stands usually under the frame rail up front and front of the rear trailing arms with the jack in place under the rear diff jic. i like your solution better!
 
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e36jon

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Thanks for the kind words gang.

I don't disagree that a bigger footprint on the stands would be nice. As it is it would take a pretty monster lateral force to get them to tip once loaded (I'm guessing more than a thousand pounds, though no actual free body diagram was harmed in the forming of that opinion.). There's another popular brand, Esco that uses a very similar scale base.

I also agree that having the legs tied together would make it much stronger, and more fault tolerant (These weren't made by Boeing, with lasers or anything, for $50 a pair, so having a design that didn't rely so directly on the welds would be preferred.). The Esco stands, below, incorporate the straps to tie the legs together, but no screw adjustment. (I did see that someone is making a gimbaled head for these now though on Google...)

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After using the new jack and stands going much higher than you see in the pics seems like a bit of a stretch. My goal is to be able to pull the transmission, so I will have to experiment. I'm still feeling way safer than I ever did with my old ratcheting stands! That said, caution is still the order of the day before I get under there...

Cheers,

Jon
 

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Good solution for E36's. I used to have a '98 328IC vert (great car by the way). Regular jack stands were scary. This is why I love my MaxJax!:thumbup:
 
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