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Jack stands recommendation- Had a harbor freight failure

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Coastal has them for $31/ea ESC-10498 ... that's less then half off what they normally cost... I'm nervous but want to pull the trigger...


http://www.coastaltoolsupply.com/pr...ium=email&utm_campaign=abandoned_cart_w_codes

Dang you guys made me spend more money. Ordered a pair of the flat tops, $76 with shipping and tax. Will inspect them good when they arrive, my guess is they will be acceptable from all the searching and reading I've done.

If they do pass inspection, I think I will order two of the 10497's, with the cradle top, for the rear axles on the trucks. Can't find them anywhere for Coastals prices. And maybe I'll take the Torins to work...
 
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The round flat tops look **** but every time I've used jack stands I drop a truck frame in the cradle and the frame is sloping ('cause I'm dropping an axle or something). To have an inclining/declining frame hit a radius of a round pad you only get a TINY point of contact. I'd need a cradle to at least go the WIDTH of the framerail.
 

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Dang you guys made me spend more money. Ordered a pair of the flat tops, $76 with shipping and tax. Will inspect them good when they arrive, my guess is they will be acceptable from all the searching and reading I've done.

If they do pass inspection, I think I will order two of the 10497's, with the cradle top, for the rear axles on the trucks. Can't find them anywhere for Coastals prices. And maybe I'll take the Torins to work...

I hear ya... I said f-it and ordered 4 myself. I spent 3days under my HF and had zero confidence the whole time :sad:

The only thing stopping me before was price.

These will mainly be used on my M3 in conjunction with their flat round jack pad adapters - it's a perfect pair.
 

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Dang you guys made me spend more money. Ordered a pair of the flat tops, $76 with shipping and tax. Will inspect them good when they arrive, my guess is they will be acceptable from all the searching and reading I've done.

If they do pass inspection, I think I will order two of the 10497's, with the cradle top, for the rear axles on the trucks. Can't find them anywhere for Coastals prices. And maybe I'll take the Torins to work...

Wow, this is an amazing price... PelicanParts (where I purchase Mini Cooper parts sometimes) has them listed at $60 per. I think I just might have to get these...

I used 15-year old Craftsmans that have been great. I've just started to realize though, that they are kinda tall and they're rough on pinch welds, leading to premature rust here in NYC.
 

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I'm not trying to start an argument or be insulting, but this is simply not correct.

The shear pin is there for safety. Welding the shear pin or replacing it with something other than a shear pin creates a safety hazard.

From the Harbor Freight jack stand manual:
http://manuals.harborfreight.com/manuals/61000-61999/61196.pdf


it's nearly impossible to jack up the lever on the stands I have as the base is larger than the lever sticks out. I'm not saying it's impossible, but you'd REALLY have to try with a floor jack. ANd if you try that hard, then you can knock a vehicle off the stands 50X easier and crush yourself. But somehow multiple people here have sheared that pin without using a jack under the lever. Which then lets the post free fall if it's not fully engaged next time you use it. That's not safe.
 
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OP, you working an extra long shift? Still waiting for the pictures.

Sorry I'm switching to overnights at work and I forgot about this thread.



The explanation doesn't make it clear what happened. Hey Sylcox, what are you referring to when you say the "ratcheting arm was busted doesn't seem to be holding like its supposed to." How is it broken?

I'm attaching an image from the Harbor Freight manual.

I'd like to see some pics, too.

Sometimes, jack stand "failures" claimed online aren't actually failures of the item. Actual jack stand failures, from any brand, are incredibly rare. Sometimes the claimed failures are caused by confusion or people not knowing how to use them. Jack stands are incredibly simple, but a lot of people online seem confused how they work. Once the pawl is engaged, the stand can't drop unless the frame physically fails.

I'm not defending HF jack stands or insulting the OP. I don't own any HF jack stands, but I know they sell them by the truckload and we rarely hear of any actual failures.


I don't have pictures and will take some to show it and maybe someone with more knowledge can figure out what is going on.

When I placed the stand under the car it worked as normal pulled the post up and it sat back down on the pawl and felt like normal. Once I got the other side up and the weight shifted I hear a pop and felt/saw the car shift a little. I am assuming this is when it shifted to the backup stand. I noticed the post on the 2nd would not ratchet up and hold in place after that. I put the stands to the side once I was done and did not investigate more before I made this post.

After I got off last night I did look at them again and the jack that failed appears that the handle and pawl got bent some how it is stiff and doesn't move up and down freely like it should so it won't lock into place without forcing the handle down and some shaking. A couple times I was able to push the post down even after it appeared to lock in. It is odd because I didn't noticed any problems with the stand at all when I placed it.

These stands are in good shape overall very minimal use on them and they seem to work OK.


Again apologies for not replying sooner and forgetting to get pictures and I will try and show what I can with them when I get a chance.
 

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After I got off last night I did look at them again and the jack that failed appears that the handle and pawl got bent some how it is stiff and doesn't move up and down freely like it should so it won't lock into place without forcing the handle down and some shaking. A couple times I was able to push the post down even after it appeared to lock in. It is odd because I didn't noticed any problems with the stand at all when I placed it.

Pictures please. What you described is very odd.
The paw and handle got bent? I don't believe it.
 
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Pictures please. What you described is very odd.
The paw and handle got bent? I don't believe it.

It's not a massive bend, I think it possibly got tweaked and bent out of tolerance just enough to cause a problem. Again once I have a chance to get to them I will post pictures, I might even pull it apart as well as the other one that came as the set and see if there is any difference.

All I know is it failed something is not wrong and if you don't believe me that's fine.
 

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Chances are that it wasn't properly engaged to begin with and the weight of the car popped it into place. I'm not HF fanboy by any stretch although I do have a lot of their stuff.
It just kind of jacks me up every time someone has some sort of a problem with a tool, the talk immediately turns to HF and what **** they make. In this case someone posts about a jackstand failure that they themselves haven't or won't substantiate and now everything that's not USA is deadly ****.
The truth of the matter is most of you couldn't jack, secure or work on a vehicle safely if you had a guardian angel on your shoulder and the angel was made in USA too. The fact that you haven't killed yourselves yet is **** luck more than the result of any skill.
If you really believe you're better off under something like a car that you elevate off the ground just because the apparatus is American, you're dumber than I thought.
 

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Not sure if my comment got deleted or what...
I will reiterate those U.S Jack's welds look like cold pooed on **** that my instructor would've chipped off in about 2 seconds. He actually would have beat my rear end if I tried to turn that in.
 
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Chances are that it wasn't properly engaged to begin with and the weight of the car popped it into place. I'm not HF fanboy by any stretch although I do have a lot of their stuff.
It just kind of jacks me up every time someone has some sort of a problem with a tool, the talk immediately turns to HF and what **** they make. In this case someone posts about a jackstand failure that they themselves haven't or won't substantiate and now everything that's not USA is deadly ****.
The truth of the matter is most of you couldn't jack, secure or work on a vehicle safely if you had a guardian angel on your shoulder and the angel was made in USA too. The fact that you haven't killed yourselves yet is **** luck more than the result of any skill.
If you really believe you're better off under something like a car that you elevate off the ground just because the apparatus is American, you're dumber than I thought.

Nice. I am willing to substantiate it and work on understanding why the failure happened, could it have been operator error? Possibly but I have safely supported multiple vehicles over the years doing the same way I did this lift. I am busy and have a life outside of here that take some time to get stuff done so I will get to it when I can.

The quality of these stands is called into question by me because the stand supported the weight of one side fine it wasn't until I lifted the other side till I had any problems. I had no problems the previous lifts as well. I have never had a stand kick like this before. I believe to the best of my knowledge the jack was set correctly and something caused it to fail.

I could give 2 shits where a tool is made as long as it is quality built and safe.

So don't come here calling us idiots because we are questioning a product and trying to determine the failure. I'd do the same if it was snap on, craftsman or any American, Chinese or Mexican made product.
 

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Sounds like the pawl was not properly/ fully engaged the resulting snap drop could have broke the shear pin, hence the lever and pawl not longer operate properly, causing a since that something is bent. My bet is a broken shear pin, or maybe just a bent shear pin.
 

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Nice. I am willing to substantiate it and work on understanding why the failure happened, could it have been operator error? Possibly but I have safely supported multiple vehicles over the years doing the same way I did this lift. I am busy and have a life outside of here that take some time to get stuff done so I will get to it when I can.

The quality of these stands is called into question by me because the stand supported the weight of one side fine it wasn't until I lifted the other side till I had any problems. I had no problems the previous lifts as well. I have never had a stand kick like this before. I believe to the best of my knowledge the jack was set correctly and something caused it to fail.

I could give 2 shits where a tool is made as long as it is quality built and safe.

So don't come here calling us idiots because we are questioning a product and trying to determine the failure. I'd do the same if it was snap on, craftsman or any American, Chinese or Mexican made product.

Read your reply, gave it some more thought... I'm sticking' with my original call
 

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I have a HF 3 ton jack. Every time I use it I cringe, and waiting for the day when it collapses. I guess what I'm getting at is I don't trust HF equipment.

Another reason I always put 2 redundant sets of blocks under the car before going under.
 

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I don't know what jack I have (I think it's a set of torin and a set of something not sure of the COO, but not HF), but I have the arm dropped on me once or twice but that was operator error and un-even surface the jack was placed on + that slack between the pawl and the post... ( I was jacking the car as fast as I could and rocking it in the process.... )

Still have seen the pic of the OP's failure though.

...Not on top of me while I was under the car... but while jacking up the car.
 
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Sorry I'm switching to overnights at work and I forgot about this thread.

I don't have pictures and will take some to show it and maybe someone with more knowledge can figure out what is going on.

Again apologies for not replying sooner and forgetting to get pictures and I will try and show what I can with them when I get a chance.

You'll have to excuse those of us who are a little skeptical when someone on here starts a shitstorm but offers no proof other than his word. :badteeth:
 
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There isn't anything wrong with this thread by the OP, he may have jumped to the conclusion this was exclusively a HF stand. I have 2 sets of 6's, both China but made by 2 different companies, one is slightly better.
I'll never get under a vehicle held up by one. My life is worth more than $20.


I'm not defending HF jack stands or insulting the OP. I don't own any HF jack stands, but I know they sell them by the truckload and we rarely hear of any actual failures.
The second quote is fairly accurate, millions of these in uses daily.
As for the 20$ risk,,, We seem to accept other peoples junk and junk tires hurtling at us at 60 MPH, thousands of them going like bullets past us but worry about jackstands which by some account may be responsible for saving 1000's of injuries due to the fact a guy can buy reliable protection for the low cost vs doing something else or,,, nothing due to the fact he cant afford or isn't going to spend the money, save up for long periods to afford them,,,,, and like myself they were so reasonable I bought 2 more sets so there is no excuse not to get them.
This may be true for business owners, lot easier to talk the boss in to 50$ set than 150 especially if times are tight.
3rdly,,, The USA welding has got a lot better now that we have the China welding under scrutiny the American welding has got a little better. I have a good ole picker, USA OTC made thing, the welding looks like a grade schooler did it compared to my Buds folding HF which is absolutely flawless and not so much as a pinhole in the whole thing.
I have seen a lot of OTC pices over the years and they have been behind the welding curve for decades and should take some lessons from the Chinese school kids supposedly doing all this welding.
 
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You'll have to excuse those of us who are a little skeptical when someone on here starts a shitstorm but offers no proof other than his word. :badteeth:


And that makes it cool to call people idiots because of there views and possible lack of experience?


FFS it hasn't even been 48 hrs yet and I am still responding to questions. I do have a life that is outside of this place...


Here are the photos.

First one is of the one that still works as it did out of the box.




Same view on the one that failed



another view



also on the post for the failed stand 5 of the teeth are angled slightly on one side, none of the other posts have this.






The frame under the pawl bent into the pawl and it no longer falls with gravity. I don't know what caused the failure in the first place.
 

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get a couple side shots of it. As was pointed out this is pretty rare and you should go out and buy lottery tickets and stay out of the rain as not to get hit by lightening. If this was a regular event there would be a car load of lawyers hauling truck loads of people to court to take a shot at HF,,, this simple fat that there aint tells me the worry is pretty much exaggerated.
I have used some for very heavy loads and try to leave them on bottom or down low
 
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get a couple side shots of it. As was pointed out this is pretty rare and you should go out and buy lottery tickets and stay out of the rain as not to get hit by lightening. If this was a regular event there would be a car load of lawyers hauling truck loads of people to court to take a shot at HF,,, this simple fat that there aint tells me the worry is pretty much exaggerated.
I have used some for very heavy loads and try to leave them on bottom or down low

There is no way to get a side shot of the failure.

And I do understand your point about the rarity but I have read more stories about HF failing than others. Because of that it has made me uncomfortable using them, this event reinforces it.

I have nothing against HF I have quite a few tools from them they serve a purpose.

I'd be posting this same thing if it was (insert brand here) I didnt start this intending it to become a HF bashing thread.
 

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I will reiterate those U.S Jack's welds look like cold pooed on **** that my instructor would've chipped off in about 2 seconds. He actually would have beat my rear end if I tried to turn that in.

This. And on top of appearing too cold (even if they're not - MAYBE) what's their excuse for not being able to weld a straight line for, what, 2.5"?? The first thing they beat into you in school is you gotta stay on the actual joint.
 

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And I do understand your point about the rarity but I have read more stories about HF failing than others. Because of that it has made me uncomfortable using them, this event reinforces it.

I have nothing against HF I have quite a few tools from them they serve a purpose.

Just because you heard more stories about HF, does not means it is worse or better than other brands. Lets say HF sells 10K jacks, and you heard 5 failure stories. Company XYZ sells 100 jacks, and you heard one failure. Which jack is better? Is XYZ truly a better product here? I have nothing against HF either, but your logic is a bit inaccurate imo.

For me, I never go under the car with only a jack stand holding the weight of the car, regardless what brand or coo or if child labor was used to weld the product. Always have plan B and C.
 

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In the 'another view' picture above, you can see that the tang coming up from the bottom is bent in such a way that it is preventing the pall from engaging the teeth. My vote is that the pall was never fully engaged (have had this same issue once or twice with jack stands of various makes).
 

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I've got a set of the 3 ton hein werner (hw93506) jack stands. They seem to be pretty good quality to me although I'll admit I haven't used them a whole lot yet. On a side note I'd recommend never using 4 jack stands to hold up a vehicle - only 2 at a time. With 4 you have nothing but the vehicle's weight keep it from rocking.
 

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I'm wondering if the post falling with weight on it pushed it to the side, bent that piece of metal and/or something else to cause the handle and pawl to not work correctly now.
I was wondering something similar, something let the pin slide out of captivity on one side with the pawl pin and let it twist?
 
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One follow-up question:
-Did the post fall all the way down or did it just fall a little until the pawl caught another tooth on the post?
It looked like it was in place till I went to move it then it as soon as I removed it it went all the way down. The pawl was wedged in the upright position.
 
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Just because you heard more stories about HF, does not means it is worse or better than other brands. Lets say HF sells 10K jacks, and you heard 5 failure stories. Company XYZ sells 100 jacks, and you heard one failure. Which jack is better? Is XYZ truly a better product here? I have nothing against HF either, but your logic is a bit inaccurate imo.

For me, I never go under the car with only a jack stand holding the weight of the car, regardless what brand or coo or if child labor was used to weld the product. Always have plan B and C.

I don't care of my thought process and logic is different than yours, if I feel unsafe I won't be useing it.
 

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Does anyone know if the center section of the Esco stand is available alone? It would be nice to have a pair of bases, and a pair of each type of post. I don't really need (or want to pay for) 4 complete stands.
 
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Does anyone know if the center section of the Esco stand is available alone? It would be nice to have a pair of bases, and a pair of each type of post. I don't really need (or want to pay for) 4 complete stands.

You can find the kit version from what ive seen and get one of each but that about doubles the cost.

I have yet to find a place that just sells the posts.
 

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I have a set of these.

https://www.pepboys.com/product/details/9316470/01644

They have a cast aluminum base and shaft so you don't have to worry about any welds. Can't tell about the quality of the casting but it "looks" pretty good. And they have PINS. I quit with the ratchet system years ago. Yea, the pins may be slightly more difficult to use but I'm in my garage, not in the pits at Indy.

I will never use a ratcheting prawl type system ever again. If you're worried about the pins sheering, buy better ones.
 

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If you take the failed jack stand into HF and ask to speak to the manager, and tell him "this could've killed me". I wonder if he will apologize (even if it's phony) or just mutter some stuff about "well we'll return them and give you a new pair".

Ugh, I try to stay far away from HF unless I need some tarps or flashlights.
 

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This. And on top of appearing too cold (even if they're not - MAYBE) what's their excuse for not being able to weld a straight line for, what, 2.5"?? The first thing they beat into you in school is you gotta stay on the actual joint.


Absolutely. My instructor would've held up a chalk marker and said "do you know what the **** this is? Do it again, and this time try to weld it."
 

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A lot of stands that are for sale in auto parts shops, I would not even contemplate
buying, they are constructed from material that is far to light and most times the base is
to small, overall I consider them to be of inferior quality.
I built my own, 10.5" x 10.5 base (1.5" x 3/16" angle) outer tube is 2" RHS
inner 1.5" RHS, both heavy wall, outer tube sits on piece of 2"x .25" flat welded across the centre of the base thus allowing the weight to be transmitted directly to the floor, outer tube is also supported by 4 braces (1.5"X 5/16") flat bar.
These were use frequently under 1970s Falcons, Toyota LCs and Hiluxes.
 
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