Jaytree's Shop

[Jaytree]

So after a year of procrastination, tree cutting, stump pulling, and demolition, I finally get my permit today!

The plan is to have a 30x40 foundation poured to support the Olympia steel building that will probably be here way before I'm ready, and to then erect the building myself without killing myself or anyone else.

Hopefully I will have some pics soon.

 

[M. MYERS]

Waiting On Photos Of Clearing..

Mel

 

[Jaytree]

Okay. I like my photos large so that the viewer can see the details, but this is the easiest way on here to post them without inserting my html codes from another site. I can do that but most forums frown on it and it spreads the width of the window out making the threads hard to read without panning side to side.

The first two photos are the initial stages of the tree work performed by myself and at times when the beer fridge was full, some of my friends.
The 12x12 building and the stumps had to go so I brought in some pros to do the work. Notice the old stump grinder in the one shot. They were only going to pull two pine stumps and the one big oak, and grind four more stumps.
Turned out more productive digging them out so they dug out all seven!
The oak in the last picture fought till the end but had to come out. The wife wants to replace that wood deck on the back of the house with a concrete porch that will be screened in. I wanted to do that while the concrete trucks were here but I have a fear of running out of money before the building is complete if I dig myself too deep(pun intended).

 

[Jaytree]

And here is what I have now!
Notice how quickly the recreational objects filled the space.

The blue tank is where my well system sits. The slab will **** right up to the well, putting it a foot off of the wall.
In addition to the 30x40 foundation for the steel building, a 10x40 slab will be poured on the well side for the softner system, air compresser, and air conditioning unit to be mounted on.

 

[Bevis]

a 10x40 slab will be poured on the well side for the softner system, air compresser, and air conditioning unit to be mounted on.

Must also gonna be some she storage for that size.

 

[Jaytree]

Bevis,
I figure the 10' apron down the length of the building will make a good pad for the lawnmower, bicycles, wheelbarrow, garden tools, etc.
I plan on adding a lean-to over it after inspection. It's on the back side of the building where it will only be seen by cows.

 

[Jaytree]

Now I have a new problem.
I was told by the county that I could place the building up against the well where I want it with no setback as long as pesticides are not used in the soil. There is some kind of foundation treatment that is acceptable for this purpose. I didn't notice, but on the blueprints I had made up for the foundation, it states the soil must be treated with pesticides. The concrete contractor I talked with today thinks I'm going to have problems with the inspector on that issue. He is checking with one of his connections downtown and will get back with me tomorrow. One of his sprayers told him on the phone to just spray the fill dirt before they dump it on. Hell, what's the difference? I'm certainly not wanting to poison my family. It's a steel building. Do I really need termite treatment?

 

[astondb9]

Termites can equal a building that mimics Swiss cheese . Not overly strong .

 

[russlaferrera]

Termites can equal a building that mimics Swiss cheese . Not overly strong .

I don't understand this statement. Would you or someone explain?

 

[bmwpower]

I don't understand this statement. Would you or someone explain?

Wood that has been infested with termites looks like swiss cheese.
Wood that has been infested with termites crumbles very easily and would not sustain the structure very long.

To the original poster.... can't you build a block stem wall and start the framing several courses off the ground? Then use pressure treated plates. That's what I did.

Or are termites in FL of a different variety that laugh at such deterents?

 

[Jaytree]

Been working nights and haven't been logged on to reply... the building has no wood whatsoever. It is steel columns with steel siding, no trusses, and steel garage doors. This morning after work I paid a visit to the man who drew up my foundation blueprints. He has reprinted them up without the pesticide clause but the engineer wasn't there to sign and seal them. It's not holding me up right now anyway. I'm still waiting on one more concrete contractor to call me. He is a friend of a friend that wants to get me the best deal on the slab.

On a good note, I emailed one of my riding buddies and mentioned the project to him. Unbeknownst to me, he used to erect steel buildings for a living and is ready to help. Here I thought I was on my own. I've actually got quite a few friends and family offering to help, but now we've got some experience. Merry Christmas Jaytree!

 

[Kevin54]

It is steel columns with steel siding, no trusses, and steel garage doors.

Must be different in Fla. than around here. If it is an all steel building and a concrete slab, why does it have to have any pesticides at all? Is it just to keep the termites from having a damp dark place to breed? In our area, if it is a steel building, it is put on top of a slab. If it has a block foundation, the the top course of block is either a "termite" block meaning no holes, or if they use cored blocks, then the top course is filled with cement. Then it is required to have a sill plate made from treated lumber. They used to use a sheet of aluminum for a termite shield on the top course. A pole barn has to have treated lumber post and treated boards at the bottom to pour the concrete against. But it is interesting that the different geographical locations vary so much. I remember quite a few years ago on an episode of This Old House, when Bob Vila was the host, that he visited a house in California that the contractor was building homes, with basements, that the complete basement wall and foundation was made out of treated plywood and treated 2 x 4's. I wonder if that contractor is still in business or if he ever had a major class action lawsuit against him? ANd for what it is worth, treated lumber USED to have a 40 year warranty. This was for wet locations and / or ground contact. I tore a deck out that I built 13 years ago and some 2x's that had ground contact were rotted away. Makes you wonder.

Kevin

 

[ksp]

Must be different in Fla. than around here. If it is an all steel building and a concrete slab, why does it have to have any pesticides at all? Is it just to keep the termites from having a damp dark place to breed? In our area, if it is a steel building, it is put on top of a slab. If it has a block foundation, the the top course of block is either a "termite" block meaning no holes, or if they use cored blocks, then the top course is filled with cement. Then it is required to have a sill plate made from treated lumber. They used to use a sheet of aluminum for a termite shield on the top course. A pole barn has to have treated lumber post and treated boards at the bottom to pour the concrete against. But it is interesting that the different geographical locations vary so much. I remember quite a few years ago on an episode of This Old House, when Bob Vila was the host, that he visited a house in California that the contractor was building homes, with basements, that the complete basement wall and foundation was made out of treated plywood and treated 2 x 4's. I wonder if that contractor is still in business or if he ever had a major class action lawsuit against him? ANd for what it is worth, treated lumber USED to have a 40 year warranty. This was for wet locations and / or ground contact. I tore a deck out that I built 13 years ago and some 2x's that had ground contact were rotted away. Makes you wonder.

Kevin

All depends on the type of treatment used. Years ago, I worked for a lumber yard and we did a lot of those wood basements up here in Iowa. A buddy of mine has one and he had to dig along the walls a few years back and he told me it was like the day he put it in. He was the carpenter for the yard. That's over 30 years ago. My brother and father both havwe wood basements and if I ever build I will have one too. They are warm and easy to finish out. And no, I'm not trying to sell wood basements and I have no connection tot he industry any more. Just my observations.

 

[Jaytree]

Up date pics this morning.
The fill dirt comes calling and I'm there with the fence cutters to answer...

Making a deck foundation...

And then down to business!

More fill coming in as I type!

Forgot to add this one from yesterday when the old wood deck was 86'd from the house.

 

[Yotaforce]

I was asked if I wanted termite spray for mine after the concrete was poured. I asked "What the hell for?" There's not much for a termite to eat when the entire building's made of steel right. The only wood in my shop is my workbench top, and if they come all the way in for just that, I'll give it to them! Good to see your progress! Exciting isn't it. When is your kit coming in? By the way, I rented my forklift on Friday and got to keep it until Monday afternoon for a one day rental. Of course, I worked my **** off to get all the heavy lifting done in time, dark to dark!

 

[Bib Overalls]

A neat project. I can relate to just about everything in your posts. From the stumps to fill dirt to termite treatment problems. My shop has been up for about six years now. And I am starting to getting the building itch again. Thinking about a storage shed. And if I do build one I will be starting with trees and stumps, just like you.

 

[Jaytree]

I was asked if I wanted termite spray for mine after the concrete was poured. I asked "What the hell for?" There's not much for a termite to eat when the entire building's made of steel right. The only wood in my shop is my workbench top, and if they come all the way in for just that, I'll give it to them! Good to see your progress! Exciting isn't it. When is your kit coming in? By the way, I rented my forklift on Friday and got to keep it until Monday afternoon for a one day rental. Of course, I worked my **** off to get all the heavy lifting done in time, dark to dark!

I had to pay a $90 revision fee because I didn't notice the text on the blueprint that said the soil would be treated. I told the architect that drew up the foundation plans that I was building at the well and couldn't treat the soil. He said he forgot. Lesson; pay very close attention to all 900 pieces of paperwork and blueprints before going on to the next game.

A neat project. I can relate to just about everything in your posts. From the stumps to fill dirt to termite treatment problems. My shop has been up for about six years now. And I am starting to getting the building itch again. Thinking about a storage shed. And if I do build one I will be starting with trees and stumps, just like you.

I've always loved trees. I don't know what I was thinking, but I hope to never itch again.

 

[WolverineCoatings]

I'm looking forward to some more pics! I want one of cows... in florida... Do they wear shades?

 

[Bib Overalls]

I've always loved trees. I don't know what I was thinking, but I hope to never itch again.

You get the itch when you go out into your shop and it is so full of junk you have no place to work. My solution is a shed for the garden and wood working stuff. It is really incompatable with mechanical work. Table saw makes saw dust and the riding mower blows it all over the place.

You may not get the itch for a while. But, as many here can attest, someday you are going to say "I should have built it bigger."

 

[Jaytree]

I'm looking forward to some more pics! I want one of cows... in florida... Do they wear shades?

No cows in the pics but here's a slideshow of some pics
http://s114.photobucket.com/albums/n260/Jaytree_2006/Garage/?albumview=slideshow

You get the itch when you go out into your shop and it is so full of junk you have no place to work. My solution is a shed for the garden and wood working stuff. It is really incompatable with mechanical work. Table saw makes saw dust and the riding mower blows it all over the place.

You may not get the itch for a while. But, as many here can attest, someday you are going to say "I should have built it bigger."

I understand.
I don't usually do any woodwork, and the yard equipment will be on the back slab behind the shop, along with the air compressor, well/softner, and air conditioner.
But you can see the picture from the above link of all the junk waiting to go inside, and that doesn't include the motorcycles. I'm sure it will be full by the time everything gets in there.

 

[Jaytree]

I edited my albums in photobucket and it disabled all of the pics that I had posted from there. I'll have to get them put back in tomorrow when I'm off work.

My apologies.

I also have some new shots from today. The fill dirt has all been leveled out around the slab and the new porch.

 

[comp]

I edited my albums in photobucket and it disabled all of the pics that I had posted from there. I'll have to get them put back in tomorrow when I'm off work.

My apologies.

I also have some new shots from today. The fill dirt has all been leveled out around the slab and the new porch.

OK,,,waiting

 

[Bevis]

I hate went that happens.

 

[Jaytree]

OK,,,waiting

Okay, here's one...

His name is James Wilt at JC Tractor Service 863-858-3716 and he knows how to move dirt!

 

[Jaytree]

Trucks showed up all at the same time yesterday!!

My brother Duki

The front door frame is in!

The last column is bolted down and Jaytree's happy!

We ran outta daylight last night. Getting an early start this morning in Florida's freezing temperatures!

More later.

 

[cdrewferd]

Good progress. Can't wait for more pics.

 

[Yotaforce]

Awesome. I know you are having fun! Wait till you have to put the panels up, one screw at a time. Then you'll really be having fun! lol. Can't wait to see your time frame. I finished mine at 40 days exactly. My guess is you will be done in less.

 

[Bib Overalls]

Gonna be nice!

 

[Bevis]

Hope you didn't freeze yesterday, good start. Keep the pics comin'

 

[1991Syclone]

Spraying for termites is Florida building code:

http://news.ufl.edu/2002/02/15/newbldgcode/

 

[Jaytree]

Spraying for termites is Florida building code:

http://news.ufl.edu/2002/02/15/newbldgcode/

I'm not gonna worry about termites unless I start seeing these around the yard...

 

[Jaytree]

Awesome. I know you are having fun! Wait till you have to put the panels up, one screw at a time. Then you'll really be having fun! lol. Can't wait to see your time frame. I finished mine at 40 days exactly. My guess is you will be done in less.

LOL!
Thanks for the heads-up Yota! Duki has already assured me that I'm going to hate the electric screwgun for the rest of my life. I'm as ready as I'll ever get for the pain.

The shipment was short on several guide cables which wasn't discovered until last Friday. They should be arriving today so the build can continue. I'll be finishing the base angle today.

 

[Bevis]

Any updates here...

 

[Jaytree]

Yeah, I got all of the base angle cut and installed. Had 16 purlin support clips to do, and got all the support cables tightened up. Just have to get everything level and call for an inspection before we can start on the sheeting.

I do want to add that Olympia has been more than helpful with everything and concerned that everything falls into place since I'm a self-proclaimed construction-illiterate biker. They offered to next-day air the cables to me and have even called to check on my status and offer any tech advice. Good people.

I just need to get a couple days off to get a plan together! Looks like next Thursday is going to be my last work day for a few. A week from Saturday I should be knee-deep in some... something.

Also, showing some pics to coworkers brought up the submersed well and how the concrete is actually above the caseing cap. I knew of the hazard as far as contamination, and was figuring on covering the entire well/softner setup. But one of my comrades suggested welding an extension pipe on top of the caseing to bring it up past the concrete. I'm going to attempt that.
The well before fill dirt...

after concrete...

 

[Jaytree]

Framing rough inspection tomorrow.
Finishing up today on the door jamb anchors.

Heres how it feels like I spent the last couple weeks.

 

[Yotaforce]

Real good. I was lucky enough to have my Black Max compressor hooked up to the house and I got to use my air drill most of the time. The air hose was a little irritating at times, but the drill was a third of the weight while doing the exercise up and down the ladders. I'm glad I didn't have to do the whole thing with my heavy Milwaukee drill. And cordless is definately out of the question for this type of build, unless you have 10 batteries on charge full time!

 

[Jaytree]

Framing rough inspection checked off today around 1630!!

 

[Bryschopper]

LOOKING GOOD! can't wait to see the finished product.

 

[mxhonda]

Framing rough inspection checked off today around 1630!!

GOOD JOB!

 

[Bevis]

Heres how it feels like I spent the last couple weeks.

I'm like that now...seems my concrete guy is several weeks behind.....