Jib Crane

[Nighttrain]

Been wanting a crane for the shop, this one came up on CL and had been watchin it. Traded an old Honda XR70 my son had out grown ($400 value). It is a Material Systems 1/2 ton cap. The nice part is the air controled hoist, a Budgit 2000lb hoist. My plans are to rebuild the hoist with new seals and air hoses and have the crane sandblasted and painted. The plan now is to install just inside the main door of the shop to unload the truck etc as needed. The kicker is I will need to cut the floor and go down 4' with cement. Hope to do this this fall, I keep the project in my Garage Build Thread.

 

[haugy]

Nice score!!!! I'm trying do decide if I want to put an A-frame hoist or jib crane.

 

[cyamaha2007]

4 feet? wow. We have some 5ton jib cranes at work i wonder what size footing it has. Please post pics of the install ill be watching. Nice score.

 

[trbomax]

Where did that 4' number come from? for a 1/2t hoist a foot should be fine if it was 4' square and pinned to your slab. The foot plate on a 9k car hoist is only a bit more than a foot square and its fine on 5". I know there will be side loads involved but if its pinned and rebared right a foot should be plenty.

 

[Nighttrain]

I was surprised also about the 4' but that's what the web site shows for the install. I'll try to copy and paste on the install thread. I'm still trying to decide where I want to place it. I plan to still look for a A frame hoist on wheels for maneuverability. This just came up as a too good of a deal. I think it will come in handy to just unload stuff at the front of the shop. Thanks for looking.

 

[72Anthony]

Nice find!
What kind of air consumption is required?

 

[Nighttrain]

Nice find!
What kind of air consumption is required?

It states 90 p.s.i.g. My compressor does 16 @ 90 psi. The hoist works good but it leaks air when connected. Not sure why. I'll break it open once I get the manual.

 

[carhunter]

Always wanted one of those too. What type of anchors will you use to install on the footing - a j hook set into the concrete? How deep does the bolt need to be set?

 

[Gradyhd]

The 4' deep footing is about right, also probably will be 3' or 4' square also. the reason being the load on the jib tip, 8' to 12' out from the base is a lot of leverage. The air leak might just be the lift/lower valve linkage not centering. You might just need to clean it. I have 3 of those hoists at work and 1 at home, they work great as long as you have the air supply. You made out like a bandit on that score.

 

[shopnut]

Nice score Nighttrain! You can't go wrong with that Budgit brand hoist, I would think.

It sounds like you plan to put it near a wall, but with the 360 degree capability of that type of jib, I would consider putting it where you can maximize the usable sweep for maximum versatility. Just a thought before you go through all the trouble of installing it.

 

[cyamaha2007]

At work ours is installed in between 2 overhead doors. Its probably 24in from the wall. Its great to unload trucks since it can swing out either door. Its also nice since its in other wise useless space.

 

[kwb]

This is a case where some $$ on engineering could save you a lot of work/money.
The anchor loads actually aren't that bad on one of those jib cranes (I have had dozens of installs done) Almost all of them require the same 4x4x4 foundation from the manufacturer. Our facility has a 10" slab and we never needed to cut it to put in a foundation for up to 2T 14' reach, or a 500# 24' reach.

Epoxy set anchors - then nuts on under side, set jib onto nuts and then you can do leveling so it doesn't have a drift. Once you have it set - pack the base with a non-shrink grout. Also by nutting top and bottom you don't impart any of your clamp load to base of the jib into the anchor epoxy and there is no risk of over torquing.

Unless you are a monolithic pour and the base will be over the thick edge you will probably need to do something to your floor but it may not be as much as a 4x4x4 cube.

It might even be possible to do the anchoring to your slab and then encase the base in a block of concrete above grade.

Digging out 2.4yds of dirt from under the floor isn't a small task but if you have a strong back or slave labor (read kids) and a empty checkbook the money for cutting and concrete may well still be ahead of costs of an engineer.

If however you have a buddy that is an engineer of this sort and this is at your residence and there is no paper trail he may be able to do some quick math (and it is quick) to tell you what you need to do or come up with a plan to backyard engineer this to the slab, footing, walls.

I have a Jib in my garage but in my case it attaches to floor and the top plate of wall which changes the anchor load case a whole bunch.

BTW - that Jib and Hoist would cost about $7k if it was all new.

A car lift anchor requirements are wayyy different than those on the anchors in a Jib crane, don't compare the two.

 

[Nighttrain]

Thanks all for the input, shopnut seeing your jib crane awhile back gave me this burning idea that I needed one, Thanks!

My slab is a monolithic pour so not much more that 4" where I want to put the crane. I am still tinkering with the idea of putting the crane outside which would make it so much easier and give me more than 90* of swing on the arm. I tend to need lifting help with my tractor 3pt attachments more than anything else. THis way I can drag the item over with the frontend loader then lift into place with the crane. I still can do this in the doorway of the garage though. Having the crane just inside the door would be easier and keep the air line always attached.

Again thanks for all the input. carhunter the plans on the website show a L-bolt tied into some rebar, I may do as KWB mentioned and seek a ME to take a look at it for me, I have a ME that I paid a ton of $$ to for my water truck design so hopefully he will help me out with this. Ill keep you posted.

 

[geotek]

I'm envious! I missed my opportunity to get a 10 ton jib. They dont come around very often.

 

[shopnut]

Thanks all for the input, shopnut seeing your jib crane awhile back gave me this burning idea that I needed one, Thanks!

Sorry about that . If you're anything like me, once you get an idea in your head, there's no stopping ya!

Looking forward to watching it go up in your build thread.

 

[cbacres]

the 4' cube is right on. Its not the weight, but the leverage of weight on the end of the beam. Check the manufacture specs forthe footing for your lift concerning J bolts. We installed three 2 ton lifts in the shop where I work. The J bolts were at least 24" and the hooks were into the top mat of steel. I think our footer was 8' X8' X 6', but again we had 2 ton cranes withh 16' of reach.

 

[RPH]

Get the model number and serial number of the hoist. I may have the factory manuals for that one. I can send them if I do. Worked for Shawbox years ago.

 

[Omphaloskeptic]

What a great score! Keep that bargain firmly planted in your mind as you dig the hole for that footer; it will ease the pain.

I like the idea of placing it outside if there is someway of protecting it from the weather.

 

[82_454_shorty]

Awesome find! I'm am envious.

 

[Cyberbear]

I designed and built my own jib crane from catalog dimensions, after seeing what the new cost was. I used 4" pipe with 3/8" wall and added a 6' long I-beam mounted 8' above the concrete pad. I also welded 4" wide channel iron tabs in several place in order to attach this unit to my building's outside corner, allowing my beam to swing around the corner to be out of the way when not in use. It's rated for 1000#. Before installation I had the entire unit hot dip galvanized and it is holding up well after 20 years in the weather.