JIS Screwdrivers (Phillips Type)

[CJM8515]

Working on japanese atvs, dirtbikes and motorcycles a lot I need a JIS set. Found some vessel but omg they are expensive at about 80 bucks for the larger motorcycle set up that work like impact drivers, and 50 for the regular ones. Then they have a ball type setup model 220 that MIGHT work depending on how long it is with the bit sticking out and its much cheaper

I also found hozan brand, but amazon says mostly good with a few stating they are junk.

Whats everyone using for JIS? I have a need for some longer reach ones

 

[Chromdome35]

I have the vessel #1 and #2, I think I got them for around $10 each off amazon. What other sizes do you need???

I got the impact versions from Sears on sale for $14 I think.

 

[CJM8515]

I found some better prices on ebay, LONG ship time since they are from japan but I can wait. Id think Id like a set similar to this

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vessel-Megadora-900-P1x75-P2x100-P2x150-JIS-Cross-Point-Screwdriver-Set-Japan/253240046857?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

or this

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vessel-Meg...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

The ball grip one is the cheapest and would likely work. But there are some fasteners I might not be able to reach with it https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ball-Grip-...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

Finally found this set too for the impacts

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vessel-Meg...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

 

[Rusty67]

I used these screw drivers when working on my 1990 Suzuki Katana 750. They are worth every single penny you will spend on them and more. Trust me, as soon as you get these, you will wonder how you lived without them.

When rebuilding the carbs I replaced most of the JIS fasteners with allen head fasteners, especially stuff I needed to torque.

 

[CJM8515]

I used these screw drivers when working on my 1990 Suzuki Katana 750. They are worth every single penny you will spend on them and more. Trust me, as soon as you get these, you will wonder how you lived without them.

When rebuilding the carbs I replaced most of the JIS fasteners with allen head fasteners, especially stuff I needed to torque.

Thanks for the info.

I think Ill grab the 3pc set. I feel the ball driver while cheaper, might not fit everywhere due to length or thickness.

I too replace the carb bowl screws with allens when I can. No reason not to.

 

[CJM8515]

Vessel is definitely the brand that gets the most recognition here on GJ, and it's well-deserved. They make quality drivers. Their Megadora line are excellent all-around drivers, slotted and Phillips. Here is a link to Vessel's primary US distributor:



https://www.vesseltools.com



As to the Hozan, I believe they are rebadged Vessel drivers. They have the exact same design as the Vessel Dual-tone drivers, which is their economy line. I bought some to add to my bicycle tool set, as Hozan manufactures some speciality bicycle tools I own. I was underwhelmed by the Hozan and I'd have a hard time recommending them. I'd put them on par with the basic Craftsman drivers, but at a higher pricepoint. They will never be my go-to drivers. They feel "cheap." The handles have a small diameter, and I question the durability of the tips.



Vessel Megadora for the win.

That’s how it seemed the reviews for the hozans were. I think I’ll buy the regular set for 24 as I doubt I’ll need more and I’ll buy the ball one to toss in my road box.

 

[gdocktor3]

I have the vessel #1 and #2, I think I got them for around $10 each off amazon. What other sizes do you need???

I got the impact versions from Sears on sale for $14 I think.

I did the exact same as this guy. Couldn’t be happier. They’re great screwdrivers.

 

[Rustypigeon]

Whats everyone using for JIS?

I'm using Wera Kraftform. They fit JIS screws perfectly.

 

[earlthegoat2]

Craftsman branded Vessels.

 

[mikebaker1129]

Craftsman branded Vessels.

This^
I bought a set for $20 and got another when I went to warranty 2 of the clear handle drivers and they were out of stock,they subbed the Craftsman Vessels.

 

[Furious Filipino]

I just got the Vessel #1, #2 Megadora, and the #2, #3 Impacta, and I compared it to my older Hozan set and even older Vessel Impact bits:

The newer "JIS" cross-drive is, at least to my eyes, the same as the current ISO standard used for Phillips.

I've got quite a few #2 JIS cross-drive fasteners from motorcycles and older Tamiya and Kyosho r/c cars, I can tell you without any doubt that the bits from Wera and Wiha all fit the same as the Vessel. I've compared the tips, Vessel vs. Wera vs. Wiha, and they are all identical.

 

[M6erfan]

Craftsman branded Vessels.

Got a link?

Edit: Nevermind, I see that they're the 'Impacta' series. Carry on...

 

[M6erfan]

Working on japanese atvs, dirtbikes and motorcycles a lot I need a JIS set. Found some vessel but omg they are expensive at about 80 bucks for the larger motorcycle set up that work like impact drivers, and 50 for the regular ones. Then they have a ball type setup model 220 that MIGHT work depending on how long it is with the bit sticking out and its much cheaper

I also found hozan brand, but amazon says mostly good with a few stating they are junk.

Whats everyone using for JIS? I have a need for some longer reach ones

I've been using Vessel Megadora for years and they are my go to for JIS. I tried Hozan some time back and they are definitely not rebranded Vessel, completely different design. I too thought the Hozan's were cheap feeling and not on par with Vessel quality.

Forget the Vessel 'Motorcycle set". It comes with a bunch of stuff that you probably don't need. There is no reason to pay a premium for slotted screwdrivers, it's not like there is such thing as JIS in slotted fasteners. I'd concentrate on PH1, PH2 and PH3.

I have some Vessel Impacta drivers, they're really useful where you need the extra shaft length to reach a fastener (like splitting cases). I have Impacta in PH2 & PH3 and use them. Otherwise a good 3/8" hand impact driver with JIS bits (Ko-Ken, Vessel, Anex?) is a must have.

I bought mine years ago directly from their website, Vesseltools.com, but this was before Amazon, Rakuten, etc...

 

[2ndGearRubber]

For most JIS removal, my first grab is vampliers (although mine are the actual Japanese company branded ones).


To me, if the screw fights at all, vampliers time. Vessel drivers are for instillation. Hate to say it, but old abused japanese bikes/quads have found me numerous screws vessel/williams could not remove.

 

[BK13]

Vessel is definitely the brand that gets the most recognition here on GJ, and it's well-deserved. They make quality drivers. Their Megadora line are excellent all-around drivers, slotted and Phillips. Here is a link to Vessel's primary US distributor:



https://www.vesseltools.com



As to the Hozan, I believe they are rebadged Vessel drivers. They have the exact same design as the Vessel Dual-tone drivers, which is their economy line. I bought some to add to my bicycle tool set, as Hozan manufactures some speciality bicycle tools I own. I was underwhelmed by the Hozan and I'd have a hard time recommending them. I'd put them on par with the basic Craftsman drivers, but at a higher pricepoint. They will never be my go-to drivers. They feel "cheap." The handles have a small diameter, and I question the durability of the tips.



Vessel Megadora for the win.

Are the Megadoras the 900 series?

Edit: whoops, never mind. My reading retention is ****.


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[bulldogr6]

I have the Hozan ones for maintenance on my Japanese stuff , they are pretty decent for the cost , more than adequate for home or occasional commercial use. If I was working in power equipment repair I might opt for a Vessel set to get nicer handles but not a huge issue.

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[CJM8515]

I've been using Vessel Megadora for years and they are my go to for JIS. I tried Hozan some time back and they are definitely not rebranded Vessel, completely different design. I too thought the Hozan's were cheap feeling and not on par with Vessel quality.

Forget the Vessel 'Motorcycle set". It comes with a bunch of stuff that you probably don't need. There is no reason to pay a premium for slotted screwdrivers, it's not like there is such thing as JIS in slotted fasteners. I'd concentrate on PH1, PH2 and PH3.

I have some Vessel Impacta drivers, they're really useful where you need the extra shaft length to reach a fastener (like splitting cases). I have Impacta in PH2 & PH3 and use them. Otherwise a good 3/8" hand impact driver with JIS bits (Ko-Ken, Vessel, Anex?) is a must have.

I bought mine years ago directly from their website, Vesseltools.com, but this was before Amazon, Rakuten, etc...

Ive decided Im gonna buy a set of 3

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vessel-Meg...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

And then the interchangeable one to throw in my road box should I need it

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ball-Grip-...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649


Funny thing is, I think I might already have some if the weras are JIS complaint. A month ago KC Tools did a contest and among other stuff I won is a really nice set of weras..hmm Too bad its 12am here and I aint going to the basement to go look lol.

Maybe Ill go to sears just to see if they have any for kicks. My local store literally ***** and doesnt have anything and is on the verge of closing..maybe they will be on clearance or maybe I can trade some western forge ones that are busted..

 

[M6erfan]

Ive decided Im gonna buy a set of 3

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vessel-Meg...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

And then the interchangeable one to throw in my road box should I need it

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ball-Grip-...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649


Funny thing is, I think I might already have some if the weras are JIS complaint. A month ago KC Tools did a contest and among other stuff I won is a really nice set of weras..hmm Too bad its 12am here and I aint going to the basement to go look lol.

Maybe Ill go to sears just to see if they have any for kicks. My local store literally ***** and doesnt have anything and is on the verge of closing..maybe they will be on clearance or maybe I can trade some western forge ones that are busted..

One thing I forgot to mention is the knurling on the Vessel 900 series shafts. It's great!

 

[Here2Learn]

I have P1 and P2, maybe P3, in the 900 / 910 (thicker shaft) and 930 red handle with tang and 980 Impacta. I hardly ever use them, but OH MAN, ARE THEY NICE!!

Keihin PWK off-road carb float bowl screws and power valve retaining screws can be tough.

 

[apdxyk]

Vessel 220 don't look, but boy do they feel well in my hand. They are beyond addictive!

 

[BMack37]

I really like Vessel screwdrivers, the 700 gel series is underappreciated. I think a lot of guys would like them if they gave them a try. eBay is a great source for Vessel.

 

[jrockford]

Craftsman branded Vessels.

This^
I bought a set for $20 and got another when I went to warranty 2 of the clear handle drivers and they were out of stock,they subbed the Craftsman Vessels.

So the impact Phillips screwdriver from the Craftsman red and grey handled set is a JIS screwdriver?

 

[cheechi]

yes the Craftsman is a JIS P2 driver.

Here2Learn, I'd be very interested in photos of the Vessel #3 JIS and a #3 phillips if you have any.

 

[xin]

The Hozan ones have hard plastic handles (metal quality is soft). Vessel is the BEST, been using them for years.

 

[xin]

Anyone ever use them gel handles (if they hold up to oil/gas) very well?

 

[jrockford]

yes the Craftsman is a JIS P2 driver.

Here2Learn, I'd be very interested in photos of the Vessel #3 JIS and a #3 phillips if you have any.

Very interesting. I'll have to check it out. Bought a set a while back and have just been using it for traditional Phillips.

 

[Loose Ctrl]

This is the set I have. It doesn't have the #3. I rarely need the #3. I do a lot of Japanese motowork and I own eight jap motos.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A7WAHTU/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[CJM8515]

I bought the 3pc set #1, #2 in 2 lengths and the ball screwdriver with tips for my toolbox.

 

[Loose Ctrl]

I found this in my photos and thought it may be interesting to see.

 

[cheechi]

It is yes. Those are all P2.

P3 and P4 are much newer than the P1 and P2 and from what I understand the P3 and P4 tips are not 'the same as P1 and P2 but bigger' they are a different geometry. My curiosity was whether P3 compared to the JIS equivalent might lead to less slipping and stripping, as I deal with P3 often enough that it may be worth buying JIS drivers or bits in this size over normal P3.

 

[Loose Ctrl]

It is yes. Those are all P2.

P3 and P4 are much newer than the P1 and P2 and from what I understand the P3 and P4 tips are not 'the same as P1 and P2 but bigger' they are a different geometry. My curiosity was whether P3 compared to the JIS equivalent might lead to less slipping and stripping, as I deal with P3 often enough that it may be worth buying JIS drivers or bits in this size over normal P3.

One thing I found out a few years ago, is a #3 Philips can have the tip ground down to fit a #3 JIS pretty good. Not perfect but in a pinch it worked. A lot of my old 70's and early 80's Japanese ATVs and dirt bikes had #3 JIS.

 

[Danglerb]

I googled in a bunch, and there is more to the tip difference than the cut off nose, but some claim filing off the nose "helps", but doesn't resolve the cam out or overall fit like a real driver.

I bought the two impactor's from Sears same time as the 6 pc Extreme set, and the handles seem to be the same material on all of them, but the Extreme I think are supposed to be US made.

BTW JIS hasn't been the Japanese standard since 2008, now everybody, except maybe USA, uses DIN 5260 which fits JIS fine as well as std PH.

 

[Loose Ctrl]

I googled in a bunch, and there is more to the tip difference than the cut off nose, but some claim filing off the nose "helps", but doesn't resolve the cam out or overall fit like a real driver.

I bought the two impactor's from Sears same time as the 6 pc Extreme set, and the handles seem to be the same material on all of them, but the Extreme I think are supposed to be US made.

BTW JIS hasn't been the Japanese standard since 2008, now everybody, except maybe USA, uses DIN 5260 which fits JIS fine as well as std PH.

The only filed screw driver I have that has been filed is a #3 Philips. The smaller sizes are different and filing wouldn't work as well I don't think.

I didn't know Sears had started selling quality tools again.

JIS seems to be standard on Japanese motorcycles. All of them that I work on that are newer than '08 are JIS or seem to be. My 2014 Honda CB500X fasteners seem to be JIS. Soon after buying the motorcycle I bought a new set of JIS drivers just to be sure I wouldn't fudge any screw heads. (I plan to keep this bike for a while.) They fit perfectly and lock in solid. Philips definitely does not fit the fasteners on my bikes very well.


I read that section in the wiki about DIN replacing JIS after '08. I'm skeptical about there being any differences between the two. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just skeptical when it comes to the Japanese motorcycles I work on that are newer than '08.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_screw_drives

 

[xin]

The only filed screw driver I have that has been filed is a #3 Philips. The smaller sizes are different and filing wouldn't work as well I don't think.

I didn't know Sears had started selling quality tools again.

JIS seems to be standard on Japanese motorcycles. All of them that I work on that are newer than '08 are JIS or seem to be. My 2014 Honda CB500X fasteners seem to be JIS. Soon after buying the motorcycle I bought a new set of JIS drivers just to be sure I wouldn't fudge any screw heads. (I plan to keep this bike for a while.) They fit perfectly and lock in solid. Philips definitely does not fit the fasteners on my bikes very well.


I read that section in the wiki about DIN replacing JIS after '08. I'm skeptical about there being any differences between the two. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just skeptical when it comes to the Japanese motorcycles I work on that are newer than '08.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_screw_drives

JIS has been the standard as long as I can remember. Having owned many race bikes for the past 30+ years (they always had the dimple) in the Phillips (they used to use Phillips for the cases). Working at a Yamaha shop for a long time people would always strip them out trying to use hand impacts that would destroy the head on them. All of them on the Yamaha/Honda/Suzuki/Kawasaki got them. Even going back to the first dirt bike I had SL70 I think 1971 model long time ago had the dimples. Then on the YZ80 I think 1980 model.

 

[DonglordActual]

They switched COO on the ballgrips to Thailand. The older ones had "Made in Japan" molded into the handle. That is how you can tell. The other ones linked are still from Japan from what I can tell.

 

[Rusty67]

The only filed screw driver I have that has been filed is a #3 Philips. The smaller sizes are different and filing wouldn't work as well I don't think.

I didn't know Sears had started selling quality tools again.

JIS seems to be standard on Japanese motorcycles. All of them that I work on that are newer than '08 are JIS or seem to be. My 2014 Honda CB500X fasteners seem to be JIS. Soon after buying the motorcycle I bought a new set of JIS drivers just to be sure I wouldn't fudge any screw heads. (I plan to keep this bike for a while.) They fit perfectly and lock in solid. Philips definitely does not fit the fasteners on my bikes very well.


I read that section in the wiki about DIN replacing JIS after '08. I'm skeptical about there being any differences between the two. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just skeptical when it comes to the Japanese motorcycles I work on that are newer than '08.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_screw_drives

+1

I've worked on several motorcycles that were newer than 08 and my standard philips drivers don't work well in them but my JIS drivers fit like a glove.

 

[Danglerb]

Are replacement screws for the older Japanese bikes hard to get or expensive?

I'd like to pick up a few good new screws to check screwdrivers with, and maybe mark the shaft with a bit of shrink tubing for those that fit well.

DIN 5260 exceeds JIS, and also fits std PH, so no point in making JIS anymore or seeking out old stock.

 

[Loose Ctrl]

Are replacement screws for the older Japanese bikes hard to get or expensive?

I'd like to pick up a few good new screws to check screwdrivers with, and maybe mark the shaft with a bit of shrink tubing for those that fit well.

DIN 5260 exceeds JIS, and also fits std PH, so no point in making JIS anymore or seeking out old stock.

They can be expensive. I usually replace them with Allen cap head fasteners or Allen button head fasteners. Some things require very specific JIS head fasteners and those have to be ordered.

 

[Loose Ctrl]

JIS has been the standard as long as I can remember. Having owned many race bikes for the past 30+ years (they always had the dimple) in the Phillips (they used to use Phillips for the cases). Working at a Yamaha shop for a long time people would always strip them out trying to use hand impacts that would destroy the head on them. All of them on the Yamaha/Honda/Suzuki/Kawasaki got them. Even going back to the first dirt bike I had SL70 I think 1971 model long time ago had the dimples. Then on the YZ80 I think 1980 model.

I haven't checked my newer bikes for the dimple. I never think of it. I just grab the JIS drivers and go to work.

 

[CJM8515]

They can be expensive. I usually replace them with Allen cap head fasteners or Allen button head fasteners. Some things require very specific JIS head fasteners and those have to be ordered.

Same here. Usually replace them with allen head fasteners. However there are still screws you need to keep. Brake master cyl, carb screws, etc.