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This morning I went to a job I have going that is a addition on the back of a garage [ 10’x20’ ] I received a 10% deposit up front when the owner signed my contract. We then dug type 5 footings for the addition, had them inspected and poured the concrete. At this point I was due a progress payment and was paid according to the payment schedule on my contract. Yesterday we stocked the job with lumber for the addition and I had my laborers demo the stucco on the back of the garage where the addition is going. Everything is fine right, WRONG.
This morning at 7.15 I get a phone call from one of my carpenters telling me that someone else is at the job starting to do layout for the framing and my guys were told to leave.
I arrive at the job at 8.30, I talk to the carpenter doing the layout and he informs me that he is the brother of the wife that resides at this house, and that his sister has hired him to finish my job. Now at this point, the owners have not contacted me to tell me anything and have not responded to my phone calls.
At this point, I realize that this has gone wrong and that I need to protect myself financially. First thing I do is call one of my guys to get a trailer so we can load up all building material on the job and take it away. At this point the brother tells me I cant take the lumber. Too late, Myself and 2 of my guys load everything on the trailer and I send them away. Here is where it gets better, the police show up [ the brother called the cops ] I explain my situation and deny taking my lumber that I have receipts for, at this point the cop has no proof I did take the lumber and informs the brother that the homeowners would have to go after me in civil court if I did take the lumber. I paid for the lumber, but if it is delivered to the job according to law, you can not take it back. FU$$ THAT. The brother did have a mouth on him but did not push the issue with me due to him knowing that it would not have been in his best interest to try to stop me from taking my lumber. One of my guys wanted to beat this guy, I told my guy if he tries to stop anyone from taking the lumber or touches anyone , he could do as he pleases. And did this in a manner so the brother could hear us plain as day.
At around 12 o clock I get a call from the homeowners husband [ I have done jobs for this family every year for more than 10 years ] The husband apologizes to me and tells me that the wife’s brother needed the work and his wife insisted that her brother did the work. He tells me that he was against it but in his words, he has to live with her and not with me. At this point I tell him that I will figure out what he owes me [ it is minimal ] and will expect full payment on Monday morning. I as well let the homeowner know that the building permit is in my name and under my license and that first thing Monday morning I will be making a call to have that permit revoked. At no point did the owner ask me regarding the lumber I took, I found that to be odd, but he did tell me that he would pay me in full for what I have done.
Who does sh$$ like this, what are these people thinking?. Not even a phone call to tell me that they were going to have someone else do the job. Are you kidding me. Right before the close of business today I called a very good friend of mine who is the lead inspector for L.A city and told him my situation, I know it is un ethical, but I asked him to make the homeowners life a living hell with inspections, he informed me that he would pull there info, and proceed from there.
I have been a general contractor for 20 years, building custom and spec homes in los Angeles as well as high end remodels and performing project management on large commercial and mixed use projects and have never had a situation like this happen to me before. Ever since the economy has gone down hill, I have had to resort to doing smaller unspecialized jobs like this to keep my guys working when I can but what were these people thinking. I only wish I could go back sometime and see what the quality of work that the brother will have done .
Sorry for the rant, and hope your friday morning was better then mine.
 
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It's ridiculous that you have to tolerate that ****, I feel bad for you. But it doesn't sound like you did anything wrong, it's just a matter of someone else is a ******** idiot.
 
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Times are tuff, i returned the lumber with a 10% restocking fee that i will charge the homeowner as well a our time to do so.

I wish i could build everything with a key brick in it like in a arch, don't pay your bills and the key brick gets pulled and it all falls down.
 

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10X20 would make a great back yard shed. Can you deliver that luber package to Atlanta??

All kidding aside, sorry to hear about that. Thats a pretty ****** way to treat someone.
 

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What happened to the signed contract ? Aren't they under any obligations to you as in you doing the work ?
 

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That *****. Nobody should have to put up with that ****. I *DO* understand his statement that he doesn't have to live with you, but *DOES* have to live with her. I'll bet you get called back for another job, MINUS the Brother-In-Law.
 

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It never ceases to amaze me what people will do for family. Wife and I just finished fixing her lazy *** brothers house. She paid for it and we did most of the work and he bitched the whole time.

They're probably paying the brother more money and will probably get hell of a lot less quality and the brother will probably ***** about not making enough $$$.
 

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Question...how come you can't take the lumber? If you paid for it, it's yours.

Otherwise.....sorry it happened....

I guess your taking the high road...I would assume that because you have a contract, he is obligated to your for the full amount.
 

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Times are tuff, i returned the lumber with a 10% restocking fee that i will charge the homeowner as well a our time to do so.
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Man I have NEVER heard of a restocking fee on lumber (especially if it is a lumber yard I have a relationship with).

My experience is 10% of the wood comes to crooked to use anyway.

It sux you got burned.

Good luck.
 

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Wow..... what idiots!

It amazes me when people have no sense of their responsibility when they make a commitment.
 

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... I arrive at the job at 8.30, I talk to the carpenter doing the layout and he informs me that he is the brother of the wife that resides at this house, and that his sister has hired him to finish my job. Now at this point, the owners have not contacted me to tell me anything and have not responded to my phone calls.

[ I have done jobs for this family every year for more than 10 years ] The husband apologizes to me and tells me that the wife’s brother needed the work and his wife insisted that her brother did the work. He tells me that he was against it but in his words, he has to live with her and not with me. ...he did tell me that he would pay me in full for what I have done.

...Right before the close of business today I called a very good friend of mine who is the lead inspector for L.A city and told him my situation, I know it is un ethical, but I asked him to make the homeowners life a living hell with inspections...

I have been a general contractor for 20 years....

You know, I think that ***** that someone took over your job without giving you due notice. Time is money in the construction business. I am guessing that the wife's brother is really a class act, or you have just been having some bad days, because I wouldn't expect a guy in the business for 20 years to do what you did to a customer who has been coming back to you for half of your career.

If it were me I would call off that dog and re-establish my relationship with my loyal customer. No telling what hell his wife put him through to get the brother-in-law on the job.
 

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Yeah that's a bad deal for you, sorry to hear it. I think a sour economy brings out the 'moon barkers' for some reason. I do dot com stuff and most of the real professional business has dried up and so now I get people wanting to start an online business who have no clue or business acumen whatsoever. Probably just people wanting to create an income any way they can. I turn the vast majority of it down because it is usually a waste of my time, and an aggravation.

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Question...how come you can't take the lumber? If you paid for it, it's yours.

Otherwise.....sorry it happened....

I guess your taking the high road...I would assume that because you have a contract, he is obligated to your for the full amount.



I did take the lumber, but, as soon as building material hits the job, installed or not, it would become a civil matter to either get it back or be reimbursed for it.
At this point i will bill the homeowner for exactly what he owes me for my time and my employees, as well as my time to deal with this matter, we are not talking about a lot of money. If payment is not made on monday, i will file a lein on his property. Under contract he is only obligated to me for the work that has been performed. I am not litigious but i guess i could sue him for wrongful termination of contract , but it really is not worth my time and effort.
As far as having him call me back in the future, he will only get a recorded message from my business and never a call back. His problems with me will consist of me making a few phone calls and a little paper work, but on his side, it will cost him money, time and aggravation. I have known this gentleman for a long time, he has all ways been a straight shooter and i have never had a problem with him in any way. He all ready knows that this was a bad deal, in a way, i feel bad for him having to deal with a wife like that.
He will get the jist of his issues starting monday morning.
 
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Right before the close of business today I called a very good friend of mine who is the lead inspector for L.A city and told him my situation, I know it is un ethical, but I asked him to make the homeowners life a living hell with inspections, he informed me that he would pull there info, and proceed from there.

Yeah. That's unethical.

Take the high road.

***** that it had to happen like this, but get your money and move on.
 
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Yeah. That's unethical.

Take the high road.

***** that it had to happen like this, but get your money and move on.

What comes around, goes around. i am a legit business owner, pay my taxes, workers comp and state ind, ins. for my employees, am bonded as well as insured for my business. It ***** that in this economy i had to go from doing 1/2 million $ remodels and building high end spec homes to adding 200 sq ft to your garage and being treated in this fashion. So go ahead and say it is un ethical to have a friend in the building department give the owner a hard time, i could care less at this point. They were willing to have the brother finish my job without even calling me. Again, WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND.
 
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I feel for you on the business here in LA. I think the contractor I had do my last two major remodels had to give up his business and focus on other stuff. His crew did some quality work for me for affordable prices.

Regarding your vendetta against him via the inspectors, I understand you're angry, but it seems like you're being irrational about it. I would be very wary of hiring anybody who showed such a vindictive streak in them. Just as an outside observer, but as someone who has hired remodeling contractors in your area and will likely build a home from scratch in the next 8 years, I would probably reconsider your plan. It can't really benefit you in any way and you're likely to get badmouthed by them (rightly or wrongly) to everyone they know. So while the husband might have recommended you for a job to a friend before, you'd likely lose that referral business, which you know is the lifeline in that field.

Think about it. Best case scenario: You get paid what you're owned, the client has a hard time with permits. You get nothing extra out of it monetarily.

Worst case scenario: It somehow gets back to them that you're behind their permit problems (don't discount the possibility, I've seen weirder things happen on the internet) and you lose all referral business from them and the people they know.
 
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Regarding your vendetta against him via the inspectors, I understand you're angry, but it seems like you're being irrational about it. I would be very wary of hiring anybody who showed such a vindictive streak in them. Just as an outside observer, but as someone who has hired remodeling contractors in your area and will likely build a home from scratch in the next 8 years, I would probably reconsider your plan. It can't really benefit you in any way and you're likely to get badmouthed by them (rightly or wrongly) to everyone they know. So while the husband might have recommended you for a job to a friend before, you'd likely lose that referral business, which you know is the lifeline in that field.



Sorry you feel that way, did they even have the courtesy to me? did not even call me back till noon that day. Basically i was let go to give work to a brother that was out of work. Not because of lack of skill or a problem that appeared on the job. How about the guys i had scheduled to do work, rough electrical on tuesday, insulation on thursday, drywall on following monday as well as stucco lathers starting on wednesday, roof dry in on thursday and install shingles on monday, this along with all inspections. These guys all spent time to come bid jobs and were scheduled to perform work, now that work is gone. Those people all spent at least a couple of hours each if not more to drive to and bid a job and schedule to work on such job. And no, my subs will not work on that project if i am not working there. So do i feel bad when the inspector is going to give them a hard time? hell no. As far as getting referrals from them, I have never gotten one from them before so why should i worry about it now. Bottom line is that this will end up costing them more then i bid the project for and it will take them more time to bring to completion.
I have a excellent reputation on the westside as reputable contractor and my portfolio of homes and buildings that i have built speak for themselves.
 

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That *****. Nobody should have to put up with that ****. I *DO* understand his statement that he doesn't have to live with you, but *DOES* have to live with her. I'll bet you get called back for another job, MINUS the Brother-In-Law.

That just means that the "homeowner" is pussywhipped.
 

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Totally agree with everything you have done except one. You should never, and I mean NEVER, publicise the fact that your friend is going to give them a hard time on your say so. Over here we have a criminal offence of "Misconduct in a public office" and that is precisely what your friend would be charged with if it happened over here.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have asked him, I'm saying you shouldn't have told us on the WWW. ;)
 

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I have a excellent reputation on the westside as reputable contractor....

Would this still be true if the westside got wind of your revenge scheme....not saying you weren't wronged, because you were.

But as a professional, aren't you better then that?
 

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Yeah. That's unethical.

Take the high road.

***** that it had to happen like this, but get your money and move on.

I disagree. As the original permitted contractor the only prudent thing is to get your name off the job ASAP.

You're assuming that the inspector is going to go over and above what he would normally do.

The homeowners and the BiL opened themselves up to a world of **** by thinking they're going to continue under someone else's permit.
 

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blue dog, lets see, looking at the part you play - you admit to lying, stealing, being a bully, threatening, enticing others (your workers & inspector) to bully on your behalf and you make all this public record and cling to what comes around, goes around. I ask, is this ethical behavior?
 

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As long as you get compensated,just cancel the permit ASAP and walk away.Sounds like the husband didn't even know of the scheme until after the fact.
 

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Listen alarmists, while blue dog's inspector friend told him he would make things more difficult for the homeowner, there's really only so much he can actually do. He cant inspect beyond the scope of the code. PERIOD. All any inspector can do is enforce the code he is inspecting to. That's his job. To "overinspect", if you will, is more unethical than anything blue dog did, and I'm not saying he did ANYTHING unethical.


And btw Steve in Mich- Your statement above *****. Very over the top, and very inaccurate. Stealing? C'mon man. I dont care what some stupid law says about once mat is delivered ********. The mat. belongs to who paid for it. If someone walked up on your driveway and said they were taking your car, you wouldnt threaten and bully to get them to leave? People like you are whats wrong with this country. I bet you and the homeowner's wife would have a lot in common.
 

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That ***** blue dog. Sounds like the guy you were dealing with should have grown a pair and been a MAN. Wife, BIL or whatever, he had an agreement with YOU. If I had given my word on an agreement or obligation, no amount of spousal or family pressure would cause me to go back on what I'd agreed on. Sounds like your homeowner "friend" has some character/backbone issues.
 
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My understanding is that in my state(WI) the materials doesn't become the homeowners property until it is installed. If the contractor brings a bunch of material it is the contractor's property until it is installed. But I could be wrong.


***** the HO burnt you like that. For the people saying that you are doing the wrong thing and burning the bridge with the HO, that bridge has already been burnt by the homeowner. And I would not want to do work for them again.

Blue dog, couple words of advice. Like mentioned I wouldn't write on the internet about your friend and what he is going to do, especially when you gave his position and anyone could find out exactly who he is. Also I wouldn't write on here about the material situation after telling the police a different story, you admitted to a crime in writing! And also stating you took the materials back could be a mistake if the homeowner was to take you to court for materials. And lastly when you bill them for the 10% restocking fees make sure you don't write that on your bill, that would be admitting to having the material on site again.

I agree with everything you are doing, the home owner deserves it, just hate to see you get screwed more by this thread. Personally I would just delete the posts if I were you.
 

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Who does sh$$ like this, what are these people thinking?. Not even a phone call to tell me that they were going to have someone else do the job. Are you kidding me. Right before the close of business today I called a very good friend of mine who is the lead inspector for L.A city and told him my situation, I know it is un ethical, but I asked him to make the homeowners life a living hell with inspections, he informed me that he would pull there info, and proceed from there.

That's just amazing. You've manage to crystalize the very essense of why people have both hate both contractors AND inspectors in one sentence.

You had your chance to be the bigger man to this fool and his wife while making yourself whole at his expense but that wasn't good enough. I sincerely hope this leads to very bad things for both you and your lead inspector friend in LA.
 

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What comes around, goes around. i am a legit business owner, pay my taxes, workers comp and state ind, ins. for my employees, am bonded as well as insured for my business. It ***** that in this economy i had to go from doing 1/2 million $ remodels and building high end spec homes to adding 200 sq ft to your garage and being treated in this fashion. So go ahead and say it is un ethical to have a friend in the building department give the owner a hard time, i could care less at this point. They were willing to have the brother finish my job without even calling me. Again, WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND.



Take this ******* scumbag down....unethical??? Not in my world.....

Any naysayers have never been in your boat ( I HAVE ) and don't have a clue...

I am sorry to read about your situation....Honestly, I am surprised you posted it...I would post some of my stories to coincide with yours, but everyone here, most everyone is on the HOLMES BANDWAGON and am not here to start a shitstorm with the "in" crowd here...so I'll keep to myself...But man, let me tell ya....I FEEL YOUR PAIN!!!!'....And I'm in Michigan....we have a state full of "winners" here, believe me....ethical?? Oh **** don't get me started...

Forget about it....focus on the Baja race comin'....:beer:


-Tony
 

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That's just amazing. You've manage to crystalize the very essense of why people have both hate both contractors AND inspectors in one sentence.

You had your chance to be the bigger man to this fool and his wife while making yourself whole at his expense but that wasn't good enough. I sincerely hope this leads to very bad things for both you and your lead inspector friend in LA.


Rat.....you are the reason.....BAD contractors are made, not born....good luck with anything you need contracted out, Tiger....

-T
 

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Listen alarmists, while blue dog's inspector friend told him he would make things more difficult for the homeowner, there's really only so much he can actually do. He cant inspect beyond the scope of the code. PERIOD. All any inspector can do is enforce the code he is inspecting to. That's his job. To "overinspect", if you will, is more unethical than anything blue dog did, and I'm not saying he did ANYTHING unethical.

^^^ Very well said! ^^^ :beer:
 

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I really don't understand that comment.

I had a contractor pour a garage slab for me on Wednesday. By the next day it was obvious that work was terrible; uneven, overworked with gouges and mounds. (See my "Save this Floor" thread from earlier this week)

The contractor was scheduled to come back next Wednesday to replace a damaged sill plate. I called him on Friday (yesterday) and explained that the concrete work was unacceptable, an embarrassment, and that I couldn't let him do anymore work for me.

I wasn't spiteful about it; didn't ask for a refund or demand the floor be hammered out and re-poured, I just very calmly told him I was disappointed in his work and would not have him back out as scheduled.

I could tell he was shocked, which surprised me as the quality of the work was obvious even Wednesday evening. He explained the difficulties of the pour, which I understood and was why I was not angry, just disappointed, and said he would be out as scheduled with grinders to work out the high and rough spots to try to make right on the job if possible.

I thought that was a stand-up response on his part. He didn't argue that I got what I paid for or come back with any Blue Dog like threats; he said he was sorry and would try to make it right.

I don't know if I will have him work for me again but as long as he tries to make this right I consider this a neutral job and he can go onto take other jobs without worrying about me running him down.
 

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I really don't understand that comment. Did do something to make my contractor bad??

I had a contractor pour a garage slab for me on Wednesday. By the next day it was obvious that work was terrible; uneven, overworked with gouges and mounds. (See my "Save this Floor" thread from earlier this week)

The contractor was scheduled to come back next Wednesday to replace a damaged sill plate. I called him on Friday (yesterday) and explained that the concrete work was unacceptable, an embarrassment, and that I couldn't let him do anymore work for me.

I wasn't spiteful about it; didn't ask for a refund or demand the floor be hammered out and re-poured, I just very calmly told him I was disappointed in his work and said would not have me back out as scheduled. I could tell he was shocked, which surprised me as the quality of the work was obvious even Wednesday evening. He explained the difficulties of the pour, which I understood and was why I was not angry, just disappointed, and said he would be out as scheduled with grinders to work out the high and rough spots to try to make right on the job if possible.

I thought that was a stand-up response on his part. He didn't argue that I got what I paid for or come back with any Blue Dog like threats; he said he was sorry and would try to make it right.

I don't know if I will have him work for me again but as long as he tries to make this right I consider this a neutral job and he can go onto take other jobs without worrying about me running him down.
 

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I really don't understand that comment. Did do something to make my contractor bad??

I had a contractor pour a garage slab for me on Wednesday. By the next day it was obvious that work was terrible; uneven, overworked with gouges and mounds. (See my "Save this Floor" thread from earlier this week)

The contractor was scheduled to come back next Wednesday to replace a damaged sill plate. I called him on Friday (yesterday) and explained that the concrete work was unacceptable, an embarrassment, and that I couldn't let him do anymore work for me.

I wasn't spiteful about it; didn't ask for a refund or demand the floor be hammered out and re-poured, I just very calmly told him I was disappointed in his work and said would not have me back out as scheduled. I could tell he was shocked, which surprised me as the quality of the work was obvious even Wednesday evening. He explained the difficulties of the pour, which I understood and was why I was not angry, just disappointed, and said he would be out as scheduled with grinders to work out the high and rough spots to try to make right on the job if possible.

I thought that was a stand-up response on his part. He didn't argue that I got what I paid for or come back with any Blue Dog like threats; he said he was sorry and would try to make it right.

I don't know if I will have him work for me again but as long as he tries to make this right I consider this a neutral job and he can go onto take other jobs without worrying about me running him down.

Your talking 2 different stories your guy fucked up your concrete so he should make it right Blue dog didn't screw up anything and got the shaft . If I was the husband in this case I would have asked dog if he could give the bro in law a job and if he couldnt owell looks like bro in law isnt making any money.
 
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The HO tried to screw bluedog on the material. He, the HO, never indicated that the material would be paid for if left on site. That's theft, and I dont know about anyone else, but if I catch you trying to steal from ME, it's game on. I will screw you harder.
 
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