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torkey

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hey guys, first day here, and i have to say, I've probably spent 4+ hours today on here reading. My wife and i just moved into our first house we built, and i would like to get the garage floor done before the water softener etc comes in. So i'm leaning towards an 100% solids epoxy, in glossy black maybe. so here is where the noob question comes in haha. I was trying to think of somehow to make it a little different..and I KNOW this isnt going to be some peoples cup of tea, but i just wanted to get a couple thoughts and see if it would even work. But instead of using vinyl flakes, would it be possible to use colored mica flakes if they were fine enough?? something like something found here maybe? (sorry for the long link) Or maybe even some glass flakes if they were able to be found?

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...ox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=G&um=1

thanks for any help, have enjoyed learning a lot on the site today!
 
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Welcome to our humble garage!

Yes, mica like flakes are available, as are some prismatic metallic flakes, and a few other visually unique flakes.

Many of them shift colors as the light source or the viewers perspective changes, which is a great effect and makes them special, but a problem with that feature is that a still picture doesn't look that special. And even video doesn't capture the subtle effect all that well.

They can cost more, but a good thing is that a little can go a long way. Mix them in with a nice combo of "normal" flakes and you can get a pretty unique and sharp looking floor!

I may have a pic or two I'll try dig up.
 
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awesome! is it possible to put something like that in and still not have a rough finish? pics would be great! Also, ill probably be getting in touch with you soon regarding laying down a wolverine epoxy :) thanks for the help!
 

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Flakes do add texture, but unless the coverage is heavy it's not very aggressive texture, it's generally more subtle, sort of like the texture you'll find with roll out linoleum.

Generally the flakes are "broadcast" onto the body coat, with our system that would be the LiquaTile 1184 coat, when it's wet, as they land they often are almost sucked down into the epoxy - probably due to surface tension or some other aspect of fluid dynamics. Whatever the reason many of the flakes are "at grade" after the epoxy cures. After it's cured you apply a clear coat, and that coat also self levels and smooths it out even further.

If you're using a heavier broadcast of flakes then more of them are going to land on each other and stack up, so there will be more noticeable texture. With our system that's probably at about 0.05 pounds of DecoFlakes per square foot. But even then after a 5 mil clear coat of BondTite the texture is mild.

Now if you're using a thinner base coat, and/or a thinner clear coat, or even no clear coat at all (not recommended) the texture will be more pronounced.

If you want more texture to minimize slip and fall potential a more certain way to get it is to add a grip additive to the final clear coat.

To complicate matter there are several different grip options. Three of the main ones we offer are aluminum oxide, quartz, and SuperGrip 850.

Aluminum oxide is very durable (there's also stainless steel which is even tougher), but it's extremely sharp and will shred mops and other cleaning media - unless you have frequent real heavy traffic, like fork lifts, it's not recommended.

Quartz, this can be broadcast into or onto the body coat or the clear coat. This is available in many colors and can look very attractive in heavier coats. Application can be tricky for the novice. Not as durable as aluminum oxide, although for residential use it should do the trick. Like aluminum oxide it can be hard on mops etc. This can be used to make logos and other designs, but then it usually sealed with a very thick clear coat.

What we recommend for residential and most commercial applications is SuperGrip 850. It's an polymer product engineered to be easy to clean while still providing good texture and durability. It's white, but the grains are smaller than table salt, and the density is pretty light, so on most base coat colors it's hardly noticeable visually. If the floor also has DecoFlakes the grit is seldom visible at all. A little goes a long way - figure half a pound per 200 ft2, a bit more if you're likely to have a lot of oil spills, grease residue, or water. It's mixed into the clear coat.
 
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excellent! thanks for the help..if using the quartz or supergrip, are any of them irritating if you were laying or kneeling on the garage floor working on a vehicle? like does it give it a pretty rough texture? Thanks again for all the help. its very appreciated. Also do you have any pictures of the quartz showing the color it adds, or the supergrip on a darker floor, showing how much the white is visible? thanks again!
 

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Quartz has sharp edges and if it's not overcoated with a thick enough clear coat it can give you a road rash, SuperGrip won't do that due to its rounded edges.

Quartz comes in a rainbow of colors, so a lot of looks be made with a high enough skill set. Unless you want to achieve a specific look with the quartz, it's not the best choice, especially if what you really want is slip resistance.

Don't have any pictures of the SuperGrip against a darker background, but it is finer than table salt, and 0.5 pounds over 200 ft2 isn't going to be too visible. And if it's spread over pretty much any DecoFlakes it will be tough to spot unless you point it out.

Keep in mind that most of these factors are relative. A very light broadcast of AO, sand, or quartz won't be too hard on skin or mops, but then it won't provide much slip resistance either.
 

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I'll attach some pictures of a full broadcast floor that I did using mica chips from Original Color Chips.

The mica chips are pretty tricky to use, as the are very light and cover poorly. However, they do make a nice looking floor. When the sun hit the floor in the pictures, it really lit up and the depth it showed was amazing.

There are also day-glow colors and glow-in-the-dark colors available from most chip manufacturers, like Torginol.

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