Just bought harbor freight 60 gal 5 hp compressor

[mtgrizzlymn1]

Picked up the big air dryer filter and extra oil for break in. To me this thing is great. I had a speed aire 5 hp but it wouldn't keep up at all with grinder. This one is a different story plenty of air. Very happy so far break in oil came out pretty clean. Now run it for a while and pick up some synthetic for it.


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[Hybridss]

I was looking into this one the other day. It did seem like quite a good deal and it seemed to have quality components. The pump that i saw said "Made in Italy" That would seem to indicate the pump is a Rolair. Have not confirmed yet. It sure looks like a Rolair. I just rebuilt on not too long ago.

Can you time your fill time from 0-175 and report here?

 

[jeff lary]

Following this to see how it works out. Good luck they look nice.

 

[Marctrees]

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Default Re: Best value compressor $600 range ???
Ok, heres the latest digging results -

The Harbor Freight linked below -

Century motor made in Mexico.

ABAC T29S pump made apparently in Italy.

Morganton "certified" tank, made APPARENTLY in USA by an Italian owned company.

Condor pressure switch - not sure where made but looks OK - (What the hell ever happened to SqD pressure switches? seem to be rare now)

Seems to be the best value around.

Anyone with differing info please post.

Marc

https://www.harborfreight.com/air-to...sor-93274.html
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[73RR]

I picked up a new-in-box HFT twin-cyl pump at an auction and installed it where a dead pump existed on an older assembly.
Lots-o-hours on it now and it makes plenty of air. Yes, I recommend it to friends.
IMHO, it looks like HFT is on a mission to continually up-grade the quality of their products so more folks can have a garage full of 'stuff'.

 

[6PTsocket]

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Default Re: Best value compressor $600 range ???
Ok, heres the latest digging results -

The Harbor Freight linked below -

Century motor made in Mexico.

ABAC T29S pump made apparently in Italy.

Morganton "certified" tank, made APPARENTLY in USA by an Italian owned company.

Condor pressure switch - not sure where made but looks OK - (What the hell ever happened to SqD pressure switches? seem to be rare now)

Seems to be the best value around.

Anyone with differing info please post.

Marc

https://www.harborfreight.com/air-to...sor-93274.html
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Good info. I would add that it is made by ABAC/American IMC in North Carolina. With the ABAC pump and the Italian owned owned tank company and the name American IMC it seems they are the American division of an Italian company. They sell similar stuff under their own Bell Aire brand and other house brands beside HF. I believe all HF warranty service is handled by IMC. The Italians make most of rhe decent pressure washer pumps, too.

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[6PTsocket]

WARNING!! Like many HF items there is more than one 5hp/ 60 gal. The other one, for the same price and same basic description is mis advertised as a 2 stage when it is only a single stage. It is a 3 cylinder with max pressure of only 150 psi. The air filters on each of the 3 cylinders is the first clue that it is not a 2 stage. They claim the same CFM for both but even if it is true, who buys a single stage over a 2 stage , all other things being equal?

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[dtbingle]

Had mine for close to a year now and works great. Little loud, but plan to build a closet after moving to the new house. I want to say fill up time for me is around 6 minutes('ish) from 0 to 165 psi.

Quick google says:
actual cfm = TANK GALLONS x .536* x PSIG divided by SECONDS
60 gallon x .536 x 165 psi / 360 sec = 14.74 cfm

Not too far off from their advertised of 15.8 @ 90 and 16.4 @ 40. My calculations could vary a bit considering fill up time is from memory from a year ago haha.

I believe fill up time when it kicks back in is around 1 min 15 sec, but don't recall what is restart pressure.

 

[redmondjp]

WARNING!! Like many HF items there is more than one 5hp/ 60 gal. The other one, for the same price and same basic description is mis advertised as a 2 stage when it is only a single stage. It is a 3 cylinder with max pressure of only 150 psi. The air filters on each of the 3 cylinders is the first clue that it is not a 2 stage. They claim the same CFM for both but even if it is true, who buys a single stage over a 2 stage , all other things being equal?

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Yes, this has been discussed in several other compressor threads over the past year or so. The three-cylinder, single-stage pump replaced a two-cylinder, two-stage pump, and HF failed to update their marketing information. Buyer beware.

 

[6PTsocket]

Yes, this has been discussed in several other compressor threads over the past year or so. The three-cylinder, single-stage pump replaced a two-cylinder, two-stage pump, and HF failed to update their marketing information. Buyer beware.

When I looked at their catalog recently, both are listed. I hope they are not phasing out the IMC 2 stage. It looks like a good entry level compressor for the home user. It can run most stuff. If HF drops it , IMC is selling it in alot of places under various brands, probably at a little higher price than HF.

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[nafterclifen]

Yes, this has been discussed in several other compressor threads over the past year or so. The three-cylinder, single-stage pump replaced a two-cylinder, two-stage pump, and HF failed to update their marketing information. Buyer beware.

Are there different part/item numbers for the older two cylinder, two stage and newer three cylinder, single stage?

 

[6PTsocket]

Are there different part/item numbers for the older two cylinder, two stage and newer three cylinder, single stage?

Yes there were. I looked today and the three cylinder is gone.

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[nafterclifen]

Yes there were. I looked today and the three cylinder is gone.

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You mean the TWO cylinder, 2-stage is gone?

 

[6PTsocket]

You mean the TWO cylinder, 2-stage is gone?

No I mean the single stage is gone. Look for yourself. Go to the HF web site. There is no point in debating something that is so easily verified.

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[CompressorPros.com]

Good info. I would add that it is made by ABAC/American IMC in North Carolina. With the ABAC pump and the Italian owned owned tank company and the name American IMC it seems they are the American division of an Italian company. They sell similar stuff under their own Bell Aire brand and other house brands beside HF. I believe all HF warranty service is handled by IMC. The Italians make most of rhe decent pressure washer pumps, too.

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The professional and industrial division of ABAC is now owned by Atlas Copco. The pumps still come from the Italian plant and the compressors are assembled in Alabama.

 

[Toothaker]

When I go to Harbor Freight's web site, they show both the single stage, 3 cylinder (item#62299) and the two stage, 2 cylinder (item #93274) compressors.

https://www.harborfreight.com/5-hp-60-gallon-165-psi-two-stage-air-compressor-93274.html

https://www.harborfreight.com/60-gal-5-hp-165-psi-two-stage-air-compressor-62299.html

Could it be that the web site only shows what is available at the local store?

 

[6PTsocket]

When I go to Harbor Freight's web site, they show both the single stage, 3 cylinder (item#62299) and the two stage, 2 cylinder (item #93274) compressors.

https://www.harborfreight.com/5-hp-60-gallon-165-psi-two-stage-air-compressor-93274.html

https://www.harborfreight.com/60-gal-5-hp-165-psi-two-stage-air-compressor-62299.html

Could it be that the web site only shows what is available at the local store?

https://m.harborfreight.com/5-hp-60...r-93274.html?utm_referrer=direct/not provided

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[6PTsocket]

Notice that the URL is .com That is HF online, not the store. I have no Idea if any of the old single stages are still out there. HF.com has everything; the stores have less. If it is not online it is not currently stocked. Whether discontinued local stock is on clearance, I wouldn't know. Come to think of it, I have never seen regional or local advertising from HF beyond the ever common " Not for sale in California".

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[muddyriverdogz]

They show the old compressor online for purchase.

Here they are side by side. https://www.harborfreight.com/air-t...+Compressors&RequestData=CA_AttributeSelected

I wonder if they would try to send you the new model ? I read where somebody bought the old one(Item#93274) but the newer one( Item#62299) was what was loaded in his truck and he took it back.It would be kinda expensive to mail it back if you got the wrong one.

 

[Marctrees]

HF is doing some substitutions w these.

The only way to make sure you get the good one is to pick up from store.

The closest we could find one was 90 miles one way... called them and had Manager put his eyeballs on it.

Mandated to put our name on it, and a sign to employees " Sold - Hands off !!"

Went and picked up next day.

Previous calls to other locations said "Ya, we got it", but when you tell them - "One has like three radial cylinders, the other has like one vertical one" "You can see the difference 50 ft away, you don't need to look at the # . I want the single vertical head one, NOT the 3 head" go LOOK at it.. and they come back saying" Hmmm.. ours has the 3 cylinders, but it's marked w the single cylinder # "

You will probably be dealing w not the sharpest tool in the shed, gotta make sure they understand this.

Anyway, two seperate store managers said it looks like it's being "replaced" w the 3 head one.

I would be EXTREMELY concerned ordering it online with this confusion going on.

Get one while you can, it IS the best value out there for a 5hp/ 60 gal.

Marc

 

[muddyriverdogz]

I don't see the new 3 cylinder single stage listed at Harbor Freight for sale anymore. They must have stopped production and or selling that model and returned to the old one.

 

[TractorJeff]

Had mine for close to a year now and works great. Little loud, but plan to build a closet after moving to the new house. I want to say fill up time for me is around 6 minutes('ish) from 0 to 165 psi.

Quick google says:
actual cfm = TANK GALLONS x .536* x PSIG divided by SECONDS
60 gallon x .536 x 165 psi / 360 sec = 14.74 cfm

Not too far off from their advertised of 15.8 @ 90 and 16.4 @ 40. My calculations could vary a bit considering fill up time is from memory from a year ago haha.

I believe fill up time when it kicks back in is around 1 min 15 sec, but don't recall what is restart pressure.

Where is the 0.536 derived from?
Is it the same value for all compressors?

 

[6PTsocket]

Update. The 3 cyl, single stage is back. Just in HF today. Sales guy said he has the real IMC 2 stage in the back. They are still pushing the 1 stage as a 2 stage but only on the HF paperwork. One change is the tank now is marked 165 max, just like the 2 stage. I would still rather have an American tank, a Century motor made in Mexico and an Italian 2 stage pump and warranty by IMC than a who knows where single stage.

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[Adriel]

Is this the correct pump and if so, doesn't look good that on clearance? https://www.harborfreight.com/5-hp-60-gallon-165-psi-two-stage-air-compressor-93274.html Looks right from the data from previous posts.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Marctrees]

That is really weird that the price is so low.

The comp in the photo at your link IS the good one w the Italian pump.

Just remember - The Italian pump has a vertical cylinder only.... The old Chinese one you DO NOT want has 3 obvious radial cylinders... The difference can be seen 100 feet away.

If it in fact legit, not a misprint /mistake That is a SCREAMIN deal.

I think the immediately previous price was at least $899.

Marc

 

[Adriel]

That is really weird that the price is so low.

The comp in the photo at your link IS the good one w the Italian pump.

Just remember - The Italian pump has a vertical cylinder only.... The old Chinese one you DO NOT want has 3 obvious radial cylinders... The difference can be seen 100 feet away.

If it in fact legit, not a misprint /mistake That is a SCREAMIN deal.

I think the immediately previous price was at least $899.

Marc

Marc, appreciate the help.

Due to my current circumstances, was looking to purchase online. I looked and not seeing a way to confirm the difference.

As for the price, it's on clearance.

Maybe screen capture the webpage, give a try, and if incorrect, then return based on wrong item sent.

Oh and I was shocked at the price, as know to get about the same CFM an assembled in USA of Chinese parts is at least $450, if not $900 plus.

 

[Marctrees]

Adriel - First phone call to confirm in stock then go to local store for pickup ???

Marc

 

[Marctrees]

If you haul on it's side be aware you need to drain the oil... metric allen wrench, hammer to "Crack" loose, (Mine was very tight) and milk jug w top cutoff, rags.

All set.

Marc

 

[Jagmandave]

After reading this today, I went online and found the "right" compressor still on sale and available, although they don't keep them in stores - only from the warehouse in California. If you order it online they charge you shipping ($100 in my case to Kansas) but if you go into your local store and order and pay for it, they ship it to the store no charge......so that's what I did.

The manager of the store was handling my order (and I asked him why they didn't keep any in the store, as they used to - he didn't know the answer) and he about crapped when I showed him the price on my phone - but he honored it.

Mine is on the way and should be here in a couple of weeks.

Thanks for the tip, guys!

 

[Adriel]

Re: Just bought a compressor and I am still in shock from spending so much...

Adriel - First phone call to confirm in stock then go to local store for pickup ???

Marc

If you haul on it's side be aware you need to drain the oil... metric allen wrench, hammer to "Crack" loose, (Mine was very tight) and milk jug w top cutoff, rags.

All set.

Marc

Marc, started to reply and then realized late for getting ready for lunch with friends, I am back. Did a long post, then realized, who wants to read it, so cut out most.

I inherited Dad's 1964 Beetle he bought September 1968, which isn't ready for an inspection, and even if was available, not sure I could strap the compressor to the back bumper.

Called Harbor Freight and she was a bit clueless, though confirmed two stage and was in stock. That is the most I ever paid for anything except a vehical, though with my Autism have had no luck buying used, and being 33, it is a long term investment that allow me to expand over the years. For now, it is for a TCP Global HVLP three gun set my friend is giving me, after six years has upgraded and rather see it be used. Bodywork and paint on a Squareback to "practice", then the Beetle.

 

[Adriel]

After reading this today, I went online and found the "right" compressor still on sale and available, although they don't keep them in stores - only from the warehouse in California. If you order it online they charge you shipping ($100 in my case to Kansas) but if you go into your local store and order and pay for it, they ship it to the store no charge......so that's what I did.

The manager of the store was handling my order (and I asked him why they didn't keep any in the store, as they used to - he didn't know the answer) and he about crapped when I showed him the price on my phone - but he honored it.

Mine is on the way and should be here in a couple of weeks.

Thanks for the tip, guys!

Didn't see this post until replied.

To me, the $100 is a good deal as UHaul van cost that much (longer drive to the local Harbor Freight) and then have to get it in and out again, at least this way just have to unload and drag it into the garage. Though I would tip generously if helped.

Amused even the clerk was shocked by the price. If my Brother wasn't such an *** about how I spend money, I let him know so he could grab while the getting was good. Glad to help someone, even though haven't posted, this forum has been an inspiration and a help (in the past and this time purchasing a great compressor). Soon will have a shed, nothing like what y'all have, however, at least room for a vehical and other shop stuff, more importantly, out of the rain and sun.

 

[Jagmandave]

The $100 shipping charge was only to the HF store, not to my house, just FYI.

 

[xavier296]

Price is back up to $850. I probably would have ordered one at $595. Only stayed that low for one day.

 

[dogdog]

It was standard price $799 years ago... and when it was on sale it always go between $700 to $750-ish... I guess $899 is the new norm... with sales of $850..

I think the bear channel on youtube mention if the HF item is on clearance good chance they are getting rid of the item and either it is getting replaced or something... this particular compressor was mentioned... that was 2 weeks ago I think.

 

[dogdog]

They told me it wasn't clearance, more coming in. The price was just parking lot sale.

There is a big "Clearance" wording on their website... Not sure if some one is lying... trying to find that reference from the Den of Tools video... I thought I remember he was talking about it for a minute or two....sorry couldn't find it now..

https://www.harborfreight.com/merchandising-promotions/clearance.html

 

[CZ Eddie]

How does this HF stack up vs. the $300 less expensive "Kobalt" XC602000 dual stage 60 gallon (made by Campbell Hausfeld)?

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-60-Gallon-Two-Stage-Electric-Vertical-Air-Compressor/1000542193

 

[Marctrees]

Lowes shows - Air Delivery SCFM @ 90PSI (CFM) 7.6 Amperage 16.2

HF shows - 15.8 CFM @ 90 PSI Amperage (amps) 22

Plus the HF has superior motor and pump, Mexican / Italian
(as detailed above in thread) vs Chinese and / or India.

HF tank is USA made , Kobalt is probably also USA made but not sure.

Marc

 

[CZ Eddie]

Lowes shows - Air Delivery SCFM @ 90PSI (CFM) 7.6 Amperage 16.2

Seems to be a mistake on the webpage for CFM ratings.
The Kobalt has a huge sticker on the front that says 11.5CFM at 90PSI.

 

[CZ Eddie]

Picture of the Kobalt's sticker:

 

[The Cobbler]

11.5 @ 40 psi and 11 @ 90 psi don't make sense either