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The old unit is 22 years old and stopped working Monday, ducting is metal with insulation wrapped/taped with some flex in places. One middle of the road bid is 22K-WOW. This is a Carrier 97% efficient unit.:( Not really sure which direction to go on this?
 
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The old unit is 22 years old and stopped working Monday, ducting is metal with insulation wrapped/taped with some flex in places. One middle of the road bid is 22K-WOW. This is a Carrier 97% efficient unit.:( Not really sure which direction to go on this?
Are they replacing all of the ducting? Or is 22k just for the furnace, coils, and compressor?
 
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4 ton 90K btu $14639

Supply ducting $4791

Return duct $1520

Return ducting to existing ducting $721

Attic walkway $450

Attic light & switch $375

No way I'll pay this much money. Waiting for the other bid.
 

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4 ton price-can't be correct-what is it a packaged unit or a split system? either way it's way off...drop that quote..call your local hvac supply house and ask for a few reputable contractors they know
 

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I've been going through tons of quotes in the last month to get my heat pump replaced and that price seems high... I was priced for a 3 ton 16 SEER carrier for under $6k installed.

Why are you changing the duct work? Is it bad, leaking horribly or what?

Also, check other companies, don't lock your self into 1. I ended up getting 7 quotes and talked to another couple HVAC guys that I didn't even get quotes from before locking it in.
 

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The unit price does seem a bit high -- even for the Greenspeed.

Although .. I paid $13.8K for my 5 speed HP switch out two years ago ... zoning was about $1500 more.
 
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I just went through this myself in Florida. I had a 4 ton and a 3.5 ton straight ac and 2 70000 BTU variable speed furnaces. Life time warranty on Compressor. Installed with new in and out ducting and new plenums. Cost $12.500. New ducts for my install would have been 2 to 4 k.

Get more than 2 bids. I had 3 ac's installed in 3 houses. The prices between most by bids were 2 to 4K on the same equipment.
 

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In MD. Our builder was $16k for a 4-ton heatpump and ductwork.

I was about the same for a simple simple for a rental (3 ton) -- mostly flex duct ... upgrading the unit and going w/metal duct sent it above 20
 

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Just so you know, you pay for that carrier name.
You pay a lot.


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I do Hvac (residential oil not gas) and you guys would all jump off a bridge if you knew the cost of equipment.




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New ducting would be all flex.

W/ all flex .. seems expensive.

Carrier model numbers? heat pump ? furnace ?

I really like the Carrier 5 speed unit .. and they have great controls for zoning .. the units are silent. But, there are other choices when needed more middle of the road products.
 
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First bidder came back with an electrician, wife showed him the second bid just so he knows that's out of the question and the money tree was cut down. We'll get a good price from someone, no big hurry and cash is king.
 
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I just replaced my system in November. I haven’t even used it yet! I went with American Standard. Similar efficieny to the ones mentioned in the OP. I got a 3 ton and a 4 ton unit. Cost for both systems, all ductwork, and thermostats, etc was $21k.
 

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are they using alum flex or wire flex. you don't want wire flex. why are you replacing the existing duct is it dirty or bad. if not just reinsulate it.
with out knowing the layout of the house if the return is undersized you might be able to add a second return off of the plenum to draw air from a different part of the house.
 

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A local company is installing, as I type, a Bryant Legacy 96.2%, 75k btu furnace and a 3 ton 16 SEER AC with simple rigid ducting and wireless thermostat in my shop for $7, 600. They also have to plumb the propane lines through the structure.
I looked at buying similar equipment and doing it myself, but I'd like to be able to actually work in the shop in this lifetime. When I priced equivalent(?)Goodman equipment, I believe the cost was around $2,000.
 

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If somebody starts talking about doing all your ductwork in flex,that's the 1st sign to show them the door.;)

That's a fact. The high pressure drop thru flex pretty much guarantees that an all flex duct job will be near impossible to balance.

Re the inadequate return size, if the sizes listed are duct sizes then you've got plenty of return. If they're just return grille sizes then you have to look at the actual duct sizes to see whether or not you actually need more return. FWIW, the average ram and slam all-flex contractor types couldn't actually calculate required duct sizes if their lives depended on it.

With properly designed ductwork, its fine to have the unit at one end of the house. My house is single story, 2200 sq ft heated plus a double garage at one end. The air handler is above the garage near a pull down stair. Sheetmetal ductwork sized for constant pressure drop, with 1/2" liner for noise and 2" wrap for insulation runs the length of the house. Takeoffs with balancing dampers and 10ft or less flex runs to ceiling diffusers. The system is 90% self balancing with only a couple dampers throttled a bit and the rest wide open. I have zero fan noise and zero air noise anywhere in the house.

Re the current ductwork... Have you stripped off any of the wrap to see if there's anything wrong with it, or is it just that the wrap is in bad shape? At 22 yrs, the wrap likely could stand to be replaced. Hard for me to imagine the ductwork itself isn't salvageable with a bit of work. Loose snaplock joints can be fixed with a few self drill screws. Tighten up the joints and tape all of them with good quality duct tape to stop leakage. Wrapping ductwork ain't fun, but you can save yourself some money there and probably do a better job than 90% of the "pros". In any case, you'll have a far better system than you'll get from some hack that doesn't know anything but how to string out 50 boxes of flex.

FWIW, I worked in the business for 15 yrs quoting and running commercial and institutional (schools, hospitals, etc) jobs from $20K up to roughly $900K. Based on that experience, I can safely say the job they're quoting at $22K includes about $14K in pure profit.
 
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Here are a few pics, I'd say none of the metal ducting is sealed as far as each piece goes, insulation needs some work. Here's my light and switch.
 

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Not exactly an apples to apples comparison, but I had a 2 1/2 ton Lennox heat pump and air handler put in last November. No ductwork, lights, walkway, etc. Reused the ~2 year old digital thermostat.
I got 3 quotes, ranging from over 10K to under 6K.
I'd get more quotes.
 

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Flex is for short runs or connecting hard lines for noise reduction. Do not let anyone do the whole thing in flex.
 

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I'll come do it for $21k!

My wife and I installed 2 Rudd 16 SEER heat pumps (2.5T and 3.5T) and all ducting (rigid) when we did new construction in 2012. Two story house, 1st floor ducting in crawl space, 2nd floor in the attic. We have about $8000 materials in the whole job. But I have an account with a supply house and all materials were contractor pricing. And I was the HVAC tech, wife was my apprentice!

CT
 

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Is it just me or I see a romex installed to a green 120V 15A male plug inserted to a receptacle mounted on the top of the rafter powering something. I think you need to correct that.
 

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4 ton 90K btu $14639

Supply ducting $4791

Return duct $1520

Return ducting to existing ducting $721

Attic walkway $450

Attic light & switch $375

No way I'll pay this much money. Waiting for the other bid.

I could see $4639 for that 4 ton unit but not $14K. I had Carrier 4ton unit and furnace unit done 10 years ago it was around $7000. I just replaced that unit last year because Carrier had issues with the compressors. New latest greatest unit was $1500, Carrier picked up the rest.
I wouldn't show the competition the other bid until you had his bid in hand.
My B-N-Law works in a HVAC supply the unit markup is ridiculous.
 
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