Kevin54's....."The Addition"
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The added expense will all be worth it in the end Kevin. Wait till this winter, when you can sit back on the inside and enjoy the extra space.
wbrian63
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Kev - I'd strongly suggest that you attempt to pin down the prices on OSB, if you've got a lot to buy.
I don't know what's up with that particular product, but when I started work on my shop waaaay back when, the sheets were around $5 or $6 each.
Within a 2 month window, they went up to over $11. I needed 200+ sheets, so the cost differentials were dramatic.
Within 30 days of me buying my last sheet, they'd dropped back down to the $7 range...
I don't know what's up with that particular product, but when I started work on my shop waaaay back when, the sheets were around $5 or $6 each.
Within a 2 month window, they went up to over $11. I needed 200+ sheets, so the cost differentials were dramatic.
Within 30 days of me buying my last sheet, they'd dropped back down to the $7 range...
Yea, I'm not balking at the added expense. I had planned on the garage being close to $40,000 by the time it is all done and over with anyways. and some things I am not counting as an added expense. One was I paid for 5 gallons of Hydraulic Fluid for the skidsteer. It had a small leak when Craig brought it down, and I have full use of it. The leak got a little worse, and he things it may be a pump seal. I'm not charging him for the fluid, and he's not charging me for the use of the skidsteer. And I don't know how many trailer loads of dirt we moved. I would say maybe 12 loads of dirt, and maybe 5 loads of old concrete and asphalt. He didn't charge me for removal of the dirt, but was figured in the price for the asphalt and concrete removal. Luckily my neighbor has a couple of low spots in the pasture, and it was a win/win for both of us. I got rid of the excess, and she got the dirt, and Craig only had to haul it about 200 yards to dump it. So all of that could have been factored in that wasn't, but I covered what he quoted short, and I was the one that brought it up to him about that I owed him for doing that. Craig has always treated me right, and I also want to treat him right and make sure he is fairly compensated for his work. Shoot, the first couple of days, I did just as much as he did with laying out the lines and squaring things up, which by all rights, I didn't have to do a thing, but I do like doing that sort of thing. Anyone else would have probably deducted that off of the total bill.
So yea, I'm happy with the cost of things so far. And I know that a lot of people would never do this, but with my knowing Craig, all of this is being done without a contract. That's how much trust I have in him, and him in me. He told me yesterday that he wished every customer he did work for was as easy to work for as I am.
Brian.....I have to sit down this weekend and figure up a material list, and OSB is one of the things on top of the list. I'm going to get it, and get it stored in the garage so I will have it before the price does shoot up. All it takes is one hurricane somewhere, and there will be a demand, and I'll be screwed. I'll have my OSB here my Monday sometime.
shortykorte
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Got me a nekked garage now. It took a dad and his son 5 hours to strip everything off and load it up. Not too bad considering we got hammered with rain a couple of times for about 20 minutes.
BTW......Oct. 4th, 2008 was when we got hit with a hell of a windstorm. That is when I lost a lot of siding, so I tagged my wall with the date.
BTW......Oct. 4th, 2008 was when we got hit with a hell of a windstorm. That is when I lost a lot of siding, so I tagged my wall with the date.
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drivesitfar
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Kevin: was the cement hard enough so the rain didn't pit it too much? nice watering system you have there BTW.
that's great that you found another good home for the siding (vinyl?). did you post it in the Free section of Craigs?
everything is starting to look pretty nice.
what's the weather forecast for next week while the lumber will be delivered and installed. hopefully 70's and sunny so crossing my (our) fingers and toes for you.
nice work so far and good luck
that's great that you found another good home for the siding (vinyl?). did you post it in the Free section of Craigs?
everything is starting to look pretty nice.
what's the weather forecast for next week while the lumber will be delivered and installed. hopefully 70's and sunny so crossing my (our) fingers and toes for you.
nice work so far and good luck
Have you considered going with plywood T1-11 instead of OSB with a siding over it? Oh but the garage already has OSB, so I guess you couldn't mix/match?
Drive.....the sealer prevent the rain from doing any damage, plus it was hard enough that it probably could have rained on it last evening. As far as next week, I think it's supposed to be in the mid 80's still, but there is a chance for rain every day because of the humidity is so high.
JD.....T1-11 is more expensive than OSB. And I budgeted for the price going up. I'd love to get it for $5 a sheet, but it is what it is.
JD.....T1-11 is more expensive than OSB. And I budgeted for the price going up. I'd love to get it for $5 a sheet, but it is what it is.
dragracer98
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Kevin,
When you re-do the drive is it going to be the same width as it is now? Also I was wondering how far is it from the edge of the new concrete to the road? Hard to tell from the pics. Everything looks good so far. Hope it all goes smooth for you the rest of the way. Yes no doubt "sticker shock" on everything now, no matter which way you turn
Randy
When you re-do the drive is it going to be the same width as it is now? Also I was wondering how far is it from the edge of the new concrete to the road? Hard to tell from the pics. Everything looks good so far. Hope it all goes smooth for you the rest of the way. Yes no doubt "sticker shock" on everything now, no matter which way you turn
Randy
Divcod
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Kevin, enjoy scoping out the range of equipment in you shop. Only wished I had the equipment and knowledge to use everything to it's max. As you seem to have a reason for what you do why the black ceiling and dark floors?
Thks for you comments on some of my posts.
Thks for you comments on some of my posts.
Because it's different. Everyone has a white ceiling, white walls, or light gray walls. I wanted to try something different to see what it would be like, hence the black ceiling. The I found a paint I liked, so I decided to go with that color, then add the corrugated tin. I had white ceilings and white walls for quite a few years so I wanted to go with color. In the shop I worked at, everything is always bland. I want some color in my life.
I feel too that paint is relatively cheap, so when I get tired of this, I'll get another gallon or two and go with a different color.
Dragracer.......The drive will be widened to 28'. And currently I am about 70' from my garage to the edge of the road. I have to be 80' from road center to front of the garage, and I am about 85'
drivesitfar
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Kevin: i'm guessing you are resting your body this weekend and maybe just doing research for materials. i have had some luck with buying materials off of craigslist in the past like plywood and steel so it might be worth a shot to see if you can find some material sitting in a warehouse, garage or barn. if OSB gets to approaching $11 how much can you buy 1/2 inch plywood for?
have a great weekend and it's looking great so far.
have a great weekend and it's looking great so far.
Strouty
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Concrete Floor…..$$$$$
Pictures of Kevin wetting himself……….Priceless.
Looking good Kevin, take some time and relax this weekend!
Pictures of Kevin wetting himself……….Priceless.
Looking good Kevin, take some time and relax this weekend!
Shootingblanks
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Good to see your garage coming along....looking forward to more updates.
Divcod
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Beauty of your own shop is doing it as you want. What kind of equipment will you add with the completion of the addition .
A lift, and that will be it. The bumpout is going to be for organization. My rollers, my overhead cabinets, and my workbench will be going in there, along with a Lista style cabinet. That will open up the existing garage for my mills and lathe, and give me room to park my Cub CUT. The large addition will have a lift and my truck in it, and in the winter will have momma's Olds in it. I may put one small bench in it, but mainly I want it free and clear of most things, other than some wall hangings for decoration.
I just ran out of room in my existing garage when I bought a coupe of mills and a lathe. Plus I have a horizontal bandsaw, belt sander, a larger surface grinder (not yet running) and a small stomp shear that I need room to get to.
Strouty
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Then you will just need a finger brake, sand blast cabinet, 100 ton press, ultrasonic cleaner……………….
shortykorte
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You gotta love GJ! Not only do I learn about garages and tools but culture too. Amazing.
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drivesitfar
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Kevin: don't forget a big and small vise and maybe a 300 pound anvil and .......
BTW what vise(s) do you use on your bench and mill?
great plan for the new addition and i'm guessing your wife and you will be very happy to have a car inside a garage if you have to run to the store the coming winters.
have a great day and looking forward to the progress this week and wishing you the best.
BTW what vise(s) do you use on your bench and mill?
great plan for the new addition and i'm guessing your wife and you will be very happy to have a car inside a garage if you have to run to the store the coming winters.
have a great day and looking forward to the progress this week and wishing you the best.
Strouty
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This is the power of the GJ, it can make any size space feel small and inadequate.
Well I do need a brake, a shrinker stretcher, and I do need a sandblast cabinet, and.....and......
If you were a new guy, I'd say welcome to GJ, but you know the drill.
Aarrggghhh!!!! Stress!!!!!!.......cracks that is. Nothing we can do about it though, and nothing really major, but I have 4 cracks over the floor. I tried to take some pics but they didn't show up. At first I thought it was a scratch in the sealer, but it is a stress crack in what appears to be the upper cream, and nothing structural.
Even with visqueen down underneath to hold the moisture in, and sealer on top, when we poured Thursday, it was just too damn hot and breezy. The concrete company wanted to know if he wanted a plasticizer in the mix. and he opted out because he normally uses it when it is cold out to give more working time. And the mix we got was a wet mix. And by the time the garage is built, no one will ever notice them anyways.
Just a little advice to others though.......if it is 90 degrees, no clouds, the sun shining down full bore, and a breeze blowing.......you may want to rethink about pouring concrete on a day like that. In my case, that was the only non rain day we had for a full week.
Even with visqueen down underneath to hold the moisture in, and sealer on top, when we poured Thursday, it was just too damn hot and breezy. The concrete company wanted to know if he wanted a plasticizer in the mix. and he opted out because he normally uses it when it is cold out to give more working time. And the mix we got was a wet mix. And by the time the garage is built, no one will ever notice them anyways.
Just a little advice to others though.......if it is 90 degrees, no clouds, the sun shining down full bore, and a breeze blowing.......you may want to rethink about pouring concrete on a day like that. In my case, that was the only non rain day we had for a full week.
I looked at the pics and I guess the cracks did show up. I went through them so fast and they didn't have a chance to focus yet. ******* on my part. :tard:
Also, here is a pic of what I got for free yesterday. It is a very large dry erase board along with cloth covered bulletin boards on both wings. it is a 4'x4' dry erase with 2'x4' wings. I'm thinking maybe using it as a dart board.
The cracks are not as bad as the camera shows, and by looking at the floor, most wouldn't even notice them. My eagle eye wife is the one that caught them.
Also, here is a pic of what I got for free yesterday. It is a very large dry erase board along with cloth covered bulletin boards on both wings. it is a 4'x4' dry erase with 2'x4' wings. I'm thinking maybe using it as a dart board.
The cracks are not as bad as the camera shows, and by looking at the floor, most wouldn't even notice them. My eagle eye wife is the one that caught them.
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Strouty
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I agree with hpw, it is pretty hard to not have some cracks, that is why people cover the floors. I would not worry "stress" about it at all.
I would use the dry erase board for planning, I use mine that way. I am thinking about getting one for out in the shop, right now I only have one in the office.
I would use the dry erase board for planning, I use mine that way. I am thinking about getting one for out in the shop, right now I only have one in the office.
there are 2 types of concrete....cracked and fixin to be cracked
Yep.....that is one guarantee that always holds true
And I'm not pissed at the concrete guys either. I saw how they did the work, and the concrete was in no way overworked. I've done some concrete work, and watched a lot of other concrete work, and have seen what happens when it is overworked, then the top will pop off because all of the cream was worked to the top. This concrete, and the driver who was excellent BTW dumped just enough in areas that it didn't take a lot of screeding to get it leveled out. It was then bullfloated maybe twice, but by the time it came to power troweling, it was really setting up fast and Craig had to keep putting water on it just to get it burnished. As soon as he sprinkled water on it, the water was evaporating. all in all, given the weather, and we started at 8:00am, it turned out good, and I am satisfied. It has a few flaws, but it could have been a lot worse. My original garage does not have a vapor barrier, but I opted to have one under the new slab. If we had not had a vapor barrier, I'm afraid that we would have had 16 yards of nothing but trouble. As fast as the water was evaporating out WITH a vapor barrier, if I had not had one, the concrete would have been set up in 30 minutes probably. When the driver washed out the truck on the ground, what concrete that he washed out was dry in an hour to the point where you couldn't bust it with a shovel. Now that is drying fast.
1949 caddyman
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My concrete guy said he guarantees his slabs against " fire and theft" LOL
edcantu9
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Don't worry about the cracks. If it did not crack now it would of later!
djones1a
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The guarantees in concrete,it's going to get hard,it's going to crack and no one is going to steal it. Lol Looks nice!
RickP
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Re: Kevin54's....."The Addition"
Once you get a little dirt and dust off the tires onto the floor, you probably won't even be able to see those cracks any more.
Once you get a little dirt and dust off the tires onto the floor, you probably won't even be able to see those cracks any more.
drivesitfar
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Kevin: I agree that 90 degree weather isn't your friend when pouring concrete. hopefully the cracks won't get any worse and if it's going to be in the 90's or high 80's in the next week or so i'd do my best to keep it wet even if putting cardboard and soaking it might work.
any idea how thick your slab ended up being and did you put a wire mesh or rebar in it?
thanks for the vise information and sounds like you have some good ones. an anvil usually shows up when you are not looking for one so have an inch steel ball bearing handy to drop on the top from about 10 inches to see if it will bounce up more than 6 inches and you probably have a good one. 8 to 9 inches is awesome. as with all cast look close for cracks and welds and if it's been in a fire more than likely it's a door stop and the steel ball will thud on it.
did you happen to see you already have 20,000 views? we are pulling for you big guy and wishing you the best. hopefully somebody will have a sale for lumber this week and crossing our fingers that the rain holds off and the contractors tie everything in nicely.
good luck
any idea how thick your slab ended up being and did you put a wire mesh or rebar in it?
thanks for the vise information and sounds like you have some good ones. an anvil usually shows up when you are not looking for one so have an inch steel ball bearing handy to drop on the top from about 10 inches to see if it will bounce up more than 6 inches and you probably have a good one. 8 to 9 inches is awesome. as with all cast look close for cracks and welds and if it's been in a fire more than likely it's a door stop and the steel ball will thud on it.
did you happen to see you already have 20,000 views? we are pulling for you big guy and wishing you the best. hopefully somebody will have a sale for lumber this week and crossing our fingers that the rain holds off and the contractors tie everything in nicely.
good luck
Drives.....keeping it wet won't do any good with the sealer on it. The sealer is almost like a plastic coating. It seals the moisture into the concrete. Without sealer, I would have to water it down on a daily basis. Basically what I have is a concrete sammich with visqueen underneath, and sealer on top. This sandwiches the moisture between two pieces of what amounts to plastic.
Tomorrow I will be putting Tyvek house wrap on the stripped garage, we will go over the lumber figures, and I will order most of the lumber tomorrow, or at least most. I'll order all of the OSB, all of the studs and plates, and the rafters for the bumpout and main garage. There will be some miscellaneous lumber that will have to be ordered, but with dealing local, I can run over to the lumber company and pick up what is needed. Then I have 4 days off as Craig has another job that he is going to do away from here. I may go ahead and frame up the bumpout with the help of my neighbor to get that done.
Tomorrow I will be putting Tyvek house wrap on the stripped garage, we will go over the lumber figures, and I will order most of the lumber tomorrow, or at least most. I'll order all of the OSB, all of the studs and plates, and the rafters for the bumpout and main garage. There will be some miscellaneous lumber that will have to be ordered, but with dealing local, I can run over to the lumber company and pick up what is needed. Then I have 4 days off as Craig has another job that he is going to do away from here. I may go ahead and frame up the bumpout with the help of my neighbor to get that done.
sublime68charger
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Keep up the great work Kevin!