kilz primer help

[viper86]

the walls of my garage were never primed or painted when it was built in '77. Joints were taped but have since all cracked and come loose. So currently I'm fixing them. The gyp paper color is brown, partly because that's what color it was back then and partly because of age. I put a coat of Kilz 2 on, but I can still see a little brown through it. Just wondering if I should roll another coat on before I paint or if the one coat is enough to keep the brown from bleeding through? I've not used the kilz products before so I'm unsure of their abilities. There are random water stains here and there which I don't seem to really see, so I'm thinking it's not a problem. I was just planning to use white paint for now.

thanks in advance

Mark

 

[Scout Driver]

Experience tells me to advise you to do one more coat just to be safe. If you still have a little bit of brown showing, don't be afraid to hit just the spots with a little more Kilz.

Scott

 

[nate379]

Reg drywall primer would have been better to use. I have not had the best luck with Kilz working as a drywall primer.

 

[MrMark]

I don't like Kilz either. Gripper is a very highly rated product. Many feel it is the best on the market.

 

[barney rubble]

I painted my garage a couple of years ago. It was built in 1955 with rough cut lumber and never had any paint or anything put on it. It was almost black wood when I started. I used a couple of gallons of Kilz and finally gave up and just coated it a couple of times with latex and now cannot tell where I used the Kilz and where I didn't.

 

[ddawg16]

I've had very good luck with the Kilz.....used it on my garage as the drywall primer....no issues.

Don't expect it to totally hid everything behind it. That is not it's primary job. It's real job is to provide a good adhisive base so the paint will stick properly. It's your paint that does the real hiding of what is on the wall.

If the first coat is covering everything...no need for a second. Paint it....and if anything shows through, follow up with a second coat.

FYI....I used exterior paint...semi-gloss to be exact....one coat was all I needed.

 

[viper86]

under normal circumstances I would have used a regular primer, but with as many stains as there were and as dark as the paper had gotten, I didn't feel that was going to do the trick. It looks to have coated well, just wasn't sure whether to do so again. I might as well.

 

[Scotto]

I ran into this problem, but my garage wasn't nearly as old - built in '91. The drywall was very dirty from absorbing dirt and oils over the years. I tried a number of primers:
-Kilz2 - worked the worst out of all the primers. The stuff is like water. I did 2 coats on 1 wall and the stains were still coming through.
-Gripper, Zinsser BIN-123 - worked better than the Kilz2, but not fantastic.
-Kilz odor-free oil-based primer - oil-based primer ***** to work with, but it's the only primer that would completely cover the stains. It's kinda yellow so I needed to go over it twice with regular paint, but it's the only thing that really worked.

 

[z28toz06]

I have used kilz and bin 123. both of those primers are for priming areas where there are oils or knots in wood that will show through.

 

[Gary S]

If the kilz primer is worth anything, one coat should do it. I used a cheap primer on the OSB in my garage and after it dried an hour or so I could see the printing on the OSB through the primer. It didn't matter. The primer had sealed the OSB so well that one top coat of cheap latex covered perfectly. Nothing on the OSB is visible after one coat of primer and a second coat of the cheap latex.

 

[nate379]

That is the problem with the Kilz, it doesn't seal drywall.

I went through this a few months ago. Did some repairs on a wall and primed with Kliz. Painted and the color was fine, but you could see the area of repair because the texture was different. Redid it and used reg drywall primer and it came out fine.

 

[Snake87]

I really wish I would have found this information before I painted my entire house and the garage. I thought primer was primer... Never questioned that something would have worked better. *shrug*. Live and learn.

 

[geaugafletcher]

Kilz' primary purpose is hiding stink that's settled in the wall. Varnish in the formulation is said to effect that feature.

That is the problem with the Kilz, it doesn't seal drywall.

I went through this a few months ago. Did some repairs on a wall and primed with Kliz. Painted and the color was fine, but you could see the area of repair because the texture was different. Redid it and used reg drywall primer and it came out fine.

I bet the Kilz did seal your drywall, but that's not really what you wanted. What kind of primer would cover texture differences? Probably your cumulative efforts of many coats finally gave enough roller texture to hide everything underneath.

Use the tool for its intended purpose and you'll be happy.

 

[deathbound]

I've heard PVA primer should be used on bare drywall. Don't know how it compares to the above mentioned products.

 

[djjsr]

Zinsser shellac based primer will seal just about anything. I use it all the time on water stains and wood knots. Dries fast. Use 2 coats.

 

[pstnbly]

You should use a good drywall primer sealer over the Kilz. These products may look somewhat translucent but they will hide well under a topcoat. Drywall primer only will not give good results.

 

[89MustangGX]

I used Kilz Premium in my garage over bare/textured drywall and am very happy with how it came out. Topcoated with Kitchen/Bathroom paint.

Adam

 

[nate379]

No it didn't seal it. The paint soaked right up like there was no primer and it took many coats to cover, I think 4 or 5 if i remember right.

I went to a paint store (Rodda) and they said to use reg drywall primer on repairs, so...

I re-did the repair as in re-mudded and textured it, then 1 coat reg drywall primer, 2 coats paint and you can't even tell where I did the repair.

Kilz' primary purpose is hiding stink that's settled in the wall. Varnish in the formulation is said to effect that feature.

I bet the Kilz did seal your drywall, but that's not really what you wanted. What kind of primer would cover texture differences? Probably your cumulative efforts of many coats finally gave enough roller texture to hide everything underneath.

Use the tool for its intended purpose and you'll be happy.

 

[Abodyracer]

Kilz *****. Weather it be oil based (Kilz Original) or latex. Use a product from Zinnser. The only thing they make is primers and have been doing so for over 50 years so they know what they are doing. For drywall I would use the 123 primer/sealer.

 

[Scotto]

Kilz *****. Weather it be oil based (Kilz Original) or latex. Use a product from Zinnser. The only thing they make is primers and have been doing so for over 50 years so they know what they are doing. For drywall I would use the 123 primer/sealer.

Just stay away from this ****:

Works about as good as the Kilz2 - which doesn't work great at all. The BIN 123 is where it's at. Just make sure you have good ventilation.

 

[ymerej]

Kilz (oil based) and Kilz 2 (latex) are completely different.

I used three or four coats of Kilz 2 to prime over some old paneling before putting a color layer down. I eventually gave up on not seeing the underlying stained wood and just painted the color layer and it turned out fine, probably because the primer was tinting towards yellow with the underlying stain, and the final color was a light creme.

Recently I just picked up a couple gallons of Behr's paint & primer in one to use on another section of paneling in the house (same age and stain on the paneling). With no other primer (just the pain & primer in one) it was 95% covered with the first coat. The second coat was just to even things out a little bit.

Moral of the story: Throw your can of Kilz 2 as far as you can.

 

[mmhouse]

Old dried out drywall will **** up whatever you use on it.

 

[geaugafletcher]

Remember that Kilz' primary job isn't color coverage - it's STANK coverage. Shellac in the formula seals the surface to be painted, preventing cigarette smoke, animal aromas, mold and whatnot from seeping through the paint.

 

[ddawg16]

Some of you guys crack me up......

The PRIMARY purpose of primer is to provide adhesion for the paint. It is NOT intended to hide stuff on the walls....it is the layer that helps bond the paint to what ever you are painting....

I won't go into the fact that CR rates Killz II as one of the best primers....some of you are so set in your ways that it would fly right over your head....

 

[Abbott]

I have been using Kilz professionally for many years. It's primary purpose for me and everyone else I know in the business has always been as a stain blocker, that's what it is made for. I prefer the oil based Kilz and it sometimes requires two coats with two coats of paint to get coverage. The fellow that mentioned shellac based primer is also on target it's another product that covers/hides well. Shellac itself will also hide stains and give a decent seal with oil based paint over the top of it. If you want to go latex then just put on an extra coat to get good results. The best trick I have found is to wait until your primer dries (each coat) and you can look at it in daylight. This will give you all the coverage information you need as to whether you need/want to apply another coat.

That will give you much better results then the guy who Goggled what he thinks Kilz is for or talked to the guy at the paint store or painted his garage and thinks he knows all. I can't tell you how many times I have heard BS out of the guys who work at the paint store. Sometimes for grins I ask them "Oh yeah, how many buildings have you painted?" and then watch them nut up like a cop in a biker bar.

 

[OccupantRJ]

Kilz II is some good stuff for certain applications. I had painted a celotex ceiling in a manufactured rental home with it, in preparation for a repaint, when a flood got the house. The house was abandoned, windows removed and sold. After 6 months, exposed to all kinds of weather, all the ceilings in the house had black velvety mold growing on them, all except the one painted with the kilz. It was still as nice looking as the day I painted it. That was all I needed to know about it's performance. The house was ultimately demolished with heavy equipment and hauled away. That ceiling was still white.

 

[mad57]

The op stated that it was old and allready painted and the yellowing was his problem kilz 2 will work for this just fine even in one coat, if your gonna go just plain white go with benjamin moore supercraft white its cheap at $52 bucks a five gallons and would have covered that old yellowing paper by its self. did my whole garage in it works great good luck.