Knipex Twin Grip - I was wrong!

[Dave455]

A little while back I purchased a pair of Twin Grip’s.

I bought them because I thought the jaw profile might be useful (similar to a Cobra but straight) and because they were obviously capable of exerting considerable leverage.

The only thing I wasn’t sold on was the screw gripping feature. Not something I really needed, and I’d have been happier with conventional flat tip jaws.

But I’ll confess - I was wrong!

Went to help a friend replace some glass in a wood burning stove. The old glass was held in by 4 crude clips and Phillips screws, which I knew were going to be hard work.


Shifted two with my Vessel Megadora, but the other two wouldn’t budge. Tried hitting the striking cap, but still no movement. Tried my KoKen “Attack Driver”. Great on brake disc screws but wouldn’t touch these. Not enough of the screw recess to bite on.

Switched to the screw gripping Twin Grips and removed both screws first go!

So apologies to Knipex, this feature is great. However, like some other Knipex tools, it’s one of those “real world” tools. Sometimes, you can work out everything you think you need, but when you’re dealing with all sorts of different crappy jobs, you need things that you wouldn’t in an “ideal” world.

It’s worth taking a couple of seconds to appreciate why these worked so well. Firstly, you can open out the jaws so that the tips are parallel to the screw head. This means that the screw gripping teeth are in contact over their full length, which makes a difference compared to screw gripping jaws on regular pliers.

Secondly, the design of the handle gives you a long handle, and lots of leverage, without the handles becoming too far apart to grip well. Overall, I’m loving these things at present.

 

[JradM]

My first experience with twingrips was some rusty headlight fasteners. I had already tried a JIS driver, some vise grips, some heat and penetrating fluid - to no avail. Twingrips twisted them out easily and I was genuinely surprised. I figured they'd be good, but not like that!

 

[Steve_P]

Agree. I'm a huge fan. I just wish they made an "in-between size" at 7"/180 mm. I also have several of the Engineer version of the screw pliers and the jaws of the Knipex look like new in comparison with much more use.

 

[cody1325]

And I bet you've definitely got more grip there with the comfort handles.

For a number of years, I had some cheap brand that resembled linesman's pliers off the Advance Auto Parts tool rack--it was cheaply made and removing stripped drywall screws ate the screw remover jaws up.

Fast forward to last spring and I'm perusing the Mac truck while getting the oil change in my car. These were the first item that caught my eye as I stepped on the truck, and I bought them despite the inflated cost.

That being said, they've paid for themselves multiple times. Not only are they great screw removers, but general purpose slip-joint pliers. They replaced a couple of similarly-sized vintage pairs (many of which were pretty loose from age).

I'm definitely adding the 6" here sometime soon. I have Kobalt's knockoff, but the jaws are not machined well. Also--if the gouges in my year-old Pliers Wrench wannabee from a similar set is any indication--soft Chinesium steel too.

 

[Ohio Andy]

I don't know if I should tip my hat to you or give you a slow clap, or what. Well said and well illustrated... Sometimes that is exactly the tool you need.

The ones I have are vampire...

Thanks for posting, I really liked it

 

[KnurledNut]

Knipex should have called these Piranhas. That's what I named mine.
Cobra, Alligator, Raptor, Parrot Beak....

 

[Steel_Rain]

Switched to the screw gripping Twin Grips and removed both screws first go!

Nice work Dave. I have many pairs of knipex items, but no twin grips yet.

Since we are on this topic, a question.

Can someone tell me if the twin grips come in a set of 3 with the “non-slip handles” instead of the “plastic grip handles”? I want the non slip versions.

Here is the difference between my Knipex pliers wrench grips:


“non-slip grip” on the left, “plastic grip” on the right.

Anyone?

 

[YesIHaveAHammer]

I just wish they made an "in-between size" at 7"/180 mm.

Agreed.

They're not a mainline tool for me that would justify a large and a small one, so in such cases I accept the compromises of a medium sized tool.

 

[darkzero]

I love mine, got them when they first came out. Bought a second one for work which has been really useful. The Cobra ES 180s have been really useful for me at work also.

I also got the 6" but have not used them yet, hmm they may work better for.....
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[assassin10000]

Nice work Dave. I have many pairs of knipex items, but no twin grips yet.

Since we are on this topic, a question.

Can someone tell me if the twin grips come in a set of 3 with the “non-slip handles” instead of the “plastic grip handles”? I want the non slip versions.

Here is the difference between my Knipex pliers wrench grips:


“non-slip grip” on the left, “plastic grip” on the right.

Anyone?

All 3 sizes of the twin grips I have are the textured dipped handles.


The smooth dipped are typically found on the chrome knipex.

 

[Dave455]

And I bet you've definitely got more grip there with the comfort handles.

Absolutely! I assumed that when I was using these I’d be squeezing the handles fairly hard rather than needing fine control, but see below.

Nice work Dave. I have many pairs of knipex items, but no twin grips yet.

Since we are on this topic, a question.

Can someone tell me if the twin grips come in a set of 3 with the “non-slip handles” instead of the “plastic grip handles”? I want the non slip versions.

Here is the difference between my Knipex pliers wrench grips:


“non-slip grip” on the left, “plastic grip” on the right.

Anyone?

Now, this is a very timely question.

On introduction, the Twin Grips had two grip options, the “non slip” or the bigger ”comfort grip”.

This is the “non slip” version.


I don’t mind a classic vinyl dipped grip, as originally used on the pliers wrench, but I really don’t like these rough textured things. They’re not nice to use, and a nightmare to clean, one reason why I opted for the comfort grip on mine.

However, Knipex recently made some changes to their comfort grips. Not major, but they are now slightly different to the ones on my Twin Grips shown above.

It’s looking like they also made some changes to the “non slip” grip as well.

Look at this picture of current stock and note the difference. The grip is certainly more substantial, but it also looks like it might be a more gentle texturing. I will certainly be a fan if if they’ve dropped the sandpaper rough version.


So to answer the question, the two grip options are “comfort grip” or “non slip” (no smooth vinyl dipped) but it looks as though both have been subtly changed in recent months.

I’d welcome any feedback from anybody with experience of the new grips.

 

[YesIHaveAHammer]

I’d welcome any feedback from anybody with experience of the new grips.

I handled a pair of their combination pliers a few months ago. With that little experience, I'd say unremarkable.

The black bit is soft. I never wished for that but I guess there's some advantage. Probably less durable though.

The KNIPEXtend seems a good idea for tagging, accessories, and presumably removing the need for separate tethered models.

As always with most tool manufacturers, it's a little annoying (but understandable) that the model numbers are unchanged, and there isn't a lower-level more detailed identifier that is publicised so you know what you'll get when buying online.

 

[Dave455]

I handled a pair of their combination pliers a few months ago. With that little experience, I'd say unremarkable.

The black bit is soft. I never wished for that but I guess there's some advantage. Probably less durable though.

The KNIPEXtend seems a good idea for tagging, accessories, and presumably removing the need for separate tethered models.

As always with most tool manufacturers, it's a little annoying (but understandable) that the model numbers are unchanged, and there isn't a lower-level more detailed identifier that is publicised so you know what you'll get when buying online.

The comfort grip only seems to have been changed very slightly. Like yourself, I’m not convinced it’s an improvement. The old grips were at least durable.

I’m interested in the new “non slip” grip though. Looks like it could be an improvement.

 

[cherrybomb]

Interesting post,the reason I'm saying that,and I'm not out to hijack this thread.I have a Snap-on LN46ACF Pliers,works great.My question is anyone have a opinion on either one being better?I could do the larger Knipex and have a smaller Snap-on, hopefully that would give me quality and flexibility. Comments????

 

[darkzero]

Interesting post,the reason I'm saying that,and I'm not out to hijack this thread.I have a Snap-on LN46ACF Pliers,works great.My question is anyone have a opinion on either one being better?I could do the larger Knipex and have a smaller Snap-on, hopefully that would give me quality and flexibility. Comments????

I have the LN46ACFs & the TwinGrips which this thread is about. IMO they can not to be compared, totally different features, & I use them for totally different uses. They don't resemble each other at all. Simply having an adjustable/multi position pivot is not enough to warrant a comparision.

 

[cherrybomb]

I have the LN46ACFs & the TwinGrips which this thread is about. IMO they can not to be compared, totally different features, & I use them for totally different uses. They don't resemble each other at all. Simply having an adjustable/multi position pivot is not enough to warrant a comparision.

Thanks for the reply,no reason to double up,but separate uses and features gets me interested in this product

 

[Dave455]

Interesting post,the reason I'm saying that,and I'm not out to hijack this thread.I have a Snap-on LN46ACF Pliers,works great.My question is anyone have a opinion on either one being better?I could do the larger Knipex and have a smaller Snap-on, hopefully that would give me quality and flexibility. Comments????

As darkzero pointed out, they are really very different tools, so it’s difficult to make a direct comparison.

They are both essentially “slip joints” although the Knipex has stretched to concept so far that they could be considered a different design. They are both unique designs too. That’s about where the comparison ends.

The Snap On‘s are essentially heavy duty, slip joint needle nose. Quite a unique design, and I’m surprised nobody had thought of it before. There may be some historically, but I can’t think of any right now.

It’s a well thought out design allowing you to grip larger objects yet still keeping the tips parallel. It also allows you to do some things that European style combination pliers would, such as gripping round objects, which is particularly useful in the U.S. where combination pliers are rare.


The Knipex can be thought of (to a degree) as a straight cobra. They have similar jaw design to the cobra so is good for gripping all manner of things, and the handles allow for considerable leverage. Think of gripping pipes, or anything round. In this respect they have similar function to the semi circular part of the Snap On. The Snap On will fit in tighter spaces, the Knipex will have more grip.


Where they totally differ is in the jaw tips. The Snap On have long thin jaws, the Knipex much thicker, and incorporating the screw gripping feature.


In the best tradition of GJ, both are useful in my opinion.

I think your plan to go with the larger Knipex, already owning the smaller Snap On, is sound. Mine are the original 8 inch length, which seems a good compromise. Might I add the even longer ones later? Probably!

 

[cherrybomb]

Thank you dark zero and Dave455 for the time, pictures and responses to my question.When I purchase a new tool to upgrade,I'm hoping not to duplicate what I already have . I'm looking for features the new tool can do,that the other maybe was weak at,or couldn't do.As most of us here on GJ do,we read,study and do the research.With your amazing and thorough explanations and pictures,I'm going to purchase the Twin Grips!!!!

 

[CHI_Tool&Die]

I love the Twin Grip pliers. I thought I’d never use them but they have all but replaced my other slip joint pliers at home and work. I never put much thought into how much I grab things with the front of the pliers and that is where the Knipex shine.

Matco has a set of MIG-bite pliers that seem to be an exclusive to them. They look like Orbis OEM but I’m not 100% positive. They are made in Germany. I’ll see if my driver has any on the truck today.

 

[4xdog]

Anybody have both Twin Grips and Vampliers (or the Engineer equivalent)? A real world comparison would be useful.

I use my Vampliers often and really like this basic concept.

 

[YesIHaveAHammer]

If I was to have only one plier with me, I'd choose a combination plier.

If two, maybe TwinGrip and a diagonal cutter.

 

[F-22]

I have the Engineer plier, I bought it impulsively on an order from amazon.co.jp.
Didn't think much of it until I needed it in a similar situation and it worked great. Really looking for the Twingrips for a while now, and I think I'll pull the trigger too because I really like Knipex tools.

They are both essentially “slip joints” although the Knipex has stretched to concept so far that they could be considered a different design. They are both unique designs too. That’s about where the comparison ends.

Yes, just to point out Knipex uses what is essentially an adjustable box joint - even though they call it a slip joint. Box joint is really cool because it evens out the moment/torque on the joint. Downside is it requires special procedures and more costly manufacturing to execute in the way Knipex does. And instead of having a typical slip joint they use a fixed spring loaded pin for adjustments, so once it's locked in one adjustment it won't ever fall out by mistake (pros and cons, classic slip joint is faster to adjust).

Snap On and most other slip joint designs use a "lap joint". I think that streamlines production a great deal. Snap On executes it very well to negate the downsides but very often on such pliers, the joint can be sticky in some areas, especially after a bit of wear. Also pliers will end up wiggling a bit with some wear. You get way less of that with the box joint.

https://www.knipex.com/knowledge/pliers-knowledge/composition-pliers/joint

 

[Dave455]

Yes, just to point out Knipex uses what is essentially an adjustable box joint - even though they call it a slip joint. Box joint is really cool because it evens out the moment/torque on the joint. Downside is it requires special procedures and more costly manufacturing to execute in the way Knipex does. And instead of having a typical slip joint they use a fixed spring loaded pin for adjustments, so once it's locked in one adjustment it won't ever fall out by mistake (pros and cons, classic slip joint is faster to adjust).

Yes, you are absolutely correct in this regard, and it’s a very good point.

I also own both the Knipex Cobra, and the Knipex Alligator, both in 10 inch.

The Alligator is more of a traditional slip joint than the Cobra, but even the Alligator uses a box joint construction.

All things being equal the box joint is preferable, although the Knipex do end up being lighter built than some, which may be an advantage, or not.



The big issue for me, with all of these designs, is how well hardened the jaws are. I’ve encountered some really crappy tools over the years with soft jaws that deform the first time you grip something. Utterly useless.

Thankfully I have no such concerns with the Knipex, hence I’m happy to purchase more, although the same could be said for any good quality U.S. made tool.

 

[assassin10000]

Anybody have both Twin Grips and Vampliers (or the Engineer equivalent)? A real world comparison would be useful.

I use my Vampliers often and really like this basic concept.

I went with the knipex for the adjustment.

I have the vamplier needle nose and the engineer m2 pliers for small screws.


The sizes don't overlap unfortunately.

 

[Steel_Rain]

However, Knipex recently made some changes to their comfort grips. Not major, but they are now slightly different to the ones on my Twin Grips shown above.

Well Dave, this thread convinced me to purchase the 3-pack of these. Not sure how old these are or how long they may have been in the inventory, but here they are:








Thoughts on these grips? Regardless, I like them.

Oh, and compared to the Icon (cover your eyes KNIPEX fans…the horror!!):

 

[neophyte]

Well Dave, this thread convinced me to purchase the 3-pack of these. Not sure how old these are or how long they may have been in the inventory, but here they are:








Thoughts on these grips? Regardless, I like them.

Oh, and compared to the Icon (cover your eyes KNIPEX fans…the horror!!):

The Icon grips are probably better, at least if consistent with the other Icon pliers I have.
Personally, I prefer the smooth type of vinyl some Knipex pliers use.
As for “how old” that set is, at most a little over a year, since the 6”/150mm and 10”/250mm sizes were only introduced maybe 14 months ago.

 

[Dave455]

Well Dave, this thread convinced me to purchase the 3-pack of these. Not sure how old these are or how long they may have been in the inventory, but here they are:








Thoughts on these grips? Regardless, I like them.

Oh, and compared to the Icon (cover your eyes KNIPEX fans…the horror!!):

Congratulations! I hope you find them useful.

I don’t think they are old stock particularly. As neophyte correctly pointed out, the 6 inch and 10 inch are relatively new.

I’m not a huge fan of the rough textured grips. I don’t find them ideal to use, or clean, hence I opted for the comfort grips.

I have only seen the newer grips in pictures (on the Knipex website predominantly) and not in real life yet, so this style may only be making it’s way to the dealers about now.

I actually like the grips on the Icon more. They look to be a copy of the Snap On. In fairness, that’s a good grip. A little more cushioning than a vinyl dip, but not so much bulk as a comfort grip, and easy to clean.

Maybe that’s why Knipex changed? If their new grip is also a bit more durable (something like the Facom) I think it will be great. Maybe a free market and competition is a good thing? Who’d have known!

 

[M635_Guy]

I have the LN46ACFs & the TwinGrips which this thread is about. IMO they can not to be compared, totally different features, & I use them for totally different uses. They don't resemble each other at all. Simply having an adjustable/multi position pivot is not enough to warrant a comparision.

I agree. I tried to compare them when I first got them a while back, but they're different animals.

I use the LN46ACFs a lot more, but the TwinGrip has saved my **** a lot as I moved out of my old house and especially in the "new" house which has been a nightmare of crappy slotted screws, phillips that were stripped during install and indoor fasteners used outdoors. The TwinGrips have earned their keep and then some.

Both are highly-valued pieces of my tool kit.

 

[cherrybomb]

I too purchased the Twin Grip 200.All the expert responses really explained the advantages and features.I did check it out,tried it,I'm sure it will be a useful tool for me!!

 

[Steel_Rain]

The best part was the price, I got the set on sale for $88 bucks:

 

[Steve_P]

Anybody have both Twin Grips and Vampliers (or the Engineer equivalent)? A real world comparison would be useful.

I use my Vampliers often and really like this basic concept.

See post #3. The slip joint of the knipex is very useful and the steel is more durable for me in comparison.

 

[Steve_P]

I do have one Knipex with the new comfort grip design; I bought it just to see how the design changed. Please skip the "comfort grips all ****" reply posts as this is a design comparison and not a debate over yes or no. The new comfort grip design is slightly better than the old design IMO, but IMO it is still inferior to the NWS comfort grip design which is just fantastic.

Yes, most of my pliers are dipped handles, but for clean work, the NWS comfort grips are nice. YMMV. I also like the slightly textured dipped grip on the Cobras vs the smooth grips on the Plier Wrench. For a DIYer, it's not a big deal for me to change nitrile gloves when filthy, and Tub O Towels are amazing at cleaning grips.

 

[assassin10000]

I also like the slightly textured dipped grip on the Cobras vs the smooth grips on the Plier Wrench.

Just FYI, the atramentised pliers wrench (black/raw) finish has the same rougher grip the cobra's do. The satin chrome pliers wrench has the smooth finish.

 

[YesIHaveAHammer]

The only thing I wasn’t sold on was the screw gripping feature. Not something I really needed, and I’d have been happier with conventional flat tip jaws.

I'd be in for:

• flat jaws at the tip
• gripping zone that's more differentiated from the Cobra, maybe more like a combination plier

 

[Dave455]

I'd be in for:

• flat jaws at the tip
• gripping zone that's more differentiated from the Cobra, maybe more like a combination plier

Yes, I think that would be an excellent concept.

You would have the ability to grab far bigger objects than with combination pliers, but would have much more rigidity than slip joints.

And the design of the Twin Grip would mean that you can get the jaws open wide without needing giant hands!

I actually have two large pairs of slip joint channelpliers, one Elliott Lucas and another Channel Lock. It’s amazing how often I need one or other, but I think both patterns are now discontinued.

A Twin Grip along the lines suggested would fill this role well, especially in 10 inch!