Know anything about this vise?

[bubinga]

Friend of mine has it, I like it, (just saw the pictures so far)
Good Vise?
Looks cool
Erie Tool Works Empire #35 Vise
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[lardy1]

A few weeks ago I posted some pictures of one of those vises I saw in my local auction and got a few responses. I can't find the thread now. They are pretty cool looking. As I remember, others said they are a light duty vise.

 

[mitusa]

Maybe I'm seeing things, but in the first picture, it looks like it's broken where the base butts up against the bench.

 

[bubinga]

Maybe I'm seeing things, but in the first picture, it looks like it's broken where the base butts up against the bench.

I see/saw that, I can maybe braze it?

 

[bubinga]

A few weeks ago I posted some pictures of one of those vises I saw in my local auction and got a few responses. I can't find the thread now. They are pretty cool looking. As I remember, others said they are a light duty vise.

 

[Fierljeppen]

It's an oval slide vise by The Erie Tool Works. The Empire vise was offered in -4- sizes and advertised from around (1913-1925).

 

[kapster]

That's pretty cool! Sure looks broke to me. Add says all steel construction, could it really be? If that's the case could possibly just weld it?

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[bubinga]

That's pretty cool! Sure looks broke to me. Add says all steel construction, could it really be? If that's the case could possibly just weld it?

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He was wanting $40.00
Pointed out the crack,
he said $25.00////////////
I bit on it, and ran.
Picking up tomorrow.

 

[bubinga]

That's pretty cool! Sure looks broke to me. Add says all steel construction, could it really be? If that's the case could possibly just weld it?

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Mostly getting it for the "cool factor"

 

[neophyte]

That's pretty cool! Sure looks broke to me. Add says all steel construction, could it really be? If that's the case could possibly just weld it?

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The average person doesn’t know the difference between steel and iron, let along forges steel, cast steel, cast grey iron, cast malleable iron, wrought iron, welding, soldering, brazing, etc.
Fierljeppen appears to have found the original description, which specifies the vise as being steel, presumable cast.
If steel, it should be weldable, although it also looks like it would need to be heated up and bent back straight.

 

[kapster]

The average person doesn’t know the difference between steel and iron, let along forges steel, cast steel, cast grey iron, cast malleable iron, wrought iron, welding, soldering, brazing, etc.

Fierljeppen appears to have found the original description, which specifies the vise as being steel, presumable cast.

If steel, it should be weldable, although it also looks like it would need to be heated up and bent back straight.

Yes, the orginial "add" says steel as I said, no average person mentioned it being steel.

That's a sweet score for $25, can't go wrong with that.

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[bubinga]

The average person doesn’t know the difference between steel and iron, let along forges steel, cast steel, cast grey iron, cast malleable iron, wrought iron, welding, soldering, brazing, etc.
Fierljeppen appears to have found the original description, which specifies the vise as being steel, presumable cast.
If steel, it should be weldable, although it also looks like it would need to be heated up and bent back straight.

Thank you for you comment's. Thanks again to all.
Yes, and I am a average person as far as knowing steel,....Etc.
I will not do any welding. Maybe "I" can braze it though.

Yes, the original "add" says steel as I said, no average person mentioned it being steel.

That's a sweet score for $25, can't go wrong with that.

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Thanks kapster, I thought $25.00 was fair, Might end up a shelf queen too, That's how coolI think it is.

also,considering this guy wants $40.00 for this cheap vise.

(It''s been on my craigslist "forever")...............LMAO!

https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/tls/d/large-like-new-4-inch-bench-vise-hi/7107879524.html

 

[bubinga]

Still Have to go pick it up.
Pictures (more) to follow.
Probably this week end.

 

[Packard V8]

The average person doesn’t know the difference between steel and iron, let along forges steel, cast steel, cast grey iron, cast malleable iron, wrought iron, welding, soldering, brazing, etc.
Fierljeppen appears to have found the original description, which specifies the vise as being steel, presumable cast.
If steel, it should be weldable, although it also looks like it would need to be heated up and bent back straight.

Don't believe everything in advertisng do we? They often intentionally mislead us. GM was one of the worst, making cast iron parts and calling them "Armasteel"; it is not steel but a GM trade name for a grade of pearlitic malleable cast iron.

Another commonly used marketing term is "Semi-steel"; a lower cost method to produce a casting that is not quite as strong as a steel casting but less expensive to manufacture.

The carbon and silicon percentages are reduced to the amount approximately consistent with those in steel. This is done using pig iron or gray iron casting scrap and reducing the amount of carbon through the addition of relatively pure steel or wrought iron scrap in a well heated cupola furnace. The percentage of carbon is typically between foundry cast iron and wrought iron.

jack vines

 

[neophyte]

With some types of items, certain types of cast iron may actually be better than steel.
I believe one of the reasons cast iron was used for top of the line machinery, was the cast iron deadened vibration better than steel, and the cast iron wear surfaces handked wear better than steel did.
I don’t know whether the surface durability had to do with a process such as chilling the wear areas, creating a carbide hard surface, or whether it had to do with graphite content in the cast iron, but supposedly this is the reason cast iron was not replaced by steel, even when it would have been highly feasible.
The other thing is yhat cast iron seems to handle corrosion way better that steel does.

 

[bubinga]

With some types of items, certain types of cast iron may actually be better than steel.
I believe one of the reasons cast iron was used for top of the line machinery, was the cast iron deadened vibration better than steel, and the cast iron wear surfaces handked wear better than steel did.
I don’t know whether the surface durability had to do with a process such as chilling the wear areas, creating a carbide hard surface, or whether it had to do with graphite content in the cast iron, but supposedly this is the reason cast iron was not replaced by steel, even when it would have been highly feasible.
The other thing is yhat cast iron seems to handle corrosion way better that steel does.

Good Info!!!

 

[Packard V8]

With some types of items, certain types of cast iron may actually be better than steel.
I believe one of the reasons cast iron was used for top of the line machinery, was the cast iron deadened vibration better than steel, and the cast iron wear surfaces handked wear better than steel did.
I don’t know whether the surface durability had to do with a process such as chilling the wear areas, creating a carbide hard surface, or whether it had to do with graphite content in the cast iron, but supposedly this is the reason cast iron was not replaced by steel, even when it would have been highly feasible.
The other thing is yhat cast iron seems to handle corrosion way better that steel does.

Yes, cast iron has several properties which make it preferable to cast steel, but far and away the three reasons for the widespread use are:

1. Lower cost; any part cast in steel costs several times more than the same part in cast iron.

2. Ability to mold complex thin sections. Molten iron flows like water into small areas. Molten steel is more like thick syrup and is difficult to reliably get to flow into complex thin areas.

3. Machining. Cast steel is harder and machining it uses up more tooling and time than machining cast iron.

jack vines, who once worked in a foundry.

 

[bubinga]

Buddy Came by to help me with unloading the tire machine from my trunk,
And did bring the vise to me!
Man, That vise IS LIGHT!!! Feels like aluminum!!

 

[Gravesdigger]

Thanks for the info.
My 9 year old and I just restored this Erie tool works #30
(I built a hitch mount so we can throw it in the truck for remote work).