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We've got threads for most other cordless lines, why not kobalt. I'm in the market for a new system, so I'm looking for first hand experience with the kobalt tools. So far they seem pretty solid in reviews with durability and build quality reportedly as good or better than the red options, many of the tools spec higher than the red or yellow and the tools are on par or cheaper with the batteries significantly cheaper.

I'd also love to know if anyone has inside knowledge of line expansion. I've heard they are expanding it, but no info as to what the new options might be.

Who's got what and what are your impressions?

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i have the 1/2" and 3/8" impacts, drill, grinder, and an impact driver. I use them with a 4 ah batteries. I like them. plenty of power for me, I haven't run into anything the 1/2" wouldn't take off. battery lasts a long time on a charge.
 
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I wonder about Lowe's commitment given their spending to bring in Craftsman. Maybe they're truly willing to keep multiple lines up and running.

Although they look decent, their 1/2 brushless impact (for example) has about half of the breakaway torque of the comparable Milwaukee/DeWalt.
 
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I wonder about Lowe's commitment given their spending to bring in Craftsman. Maybe they're truly willing to keep multiple lines up and running.

Although they look decent, their 1/2 brushless impact (for example) has about half of the breakaway torque of the comparable Milwaukee/DeWalt.
For an attractively lower price. The reviews I've seen reflect what the previous post says, they have not encountered anything it couldn't remove. Yes, there are more powerful tools, but that's not always the whole story.

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They have released several tools this year and late last year. The new XTR line is due in stores soon. This is a more powerful lineup of drill, impact, saws and impact wrench. The new XTR 1/2 impact wrench is 1200 foot lbs., the current large 1/2 impact is 650 ft lbs. Been using blue tools for a couple of years now, no problems and the best battery prices in the cordless tool game. Very pleased with them. Craftsman being sold in Lowes has no bearing on the Kobalt 24v line. They are expanding and developing more tools. I get this from what I have seen released and online conversations with Kobalt through FB and their website.
 
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I'm seeing mention of a flex volt style system and a dual battery 48v table saw!?

Looks like I just missed a huge sale on the 6 too combo too. That would have put me over the edge for sure.

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I have the regular impact, drill , seawall, multitool, flashlight 3/8 impact and a bunch of batteries. Use them daily in a field tech capacity. Couldn't be happier and glad I chose them. For the money I can't find a better option. The batteries are also MUCH cheaper than any of the other tool systems out there. Even Harbor freight.
 
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I have the 1/2 impact, 1/2” stubby, 3/8, 1/4c sawz all, one hand recip saw, drill and a few other items. No complaints here, love the stuff for the money and nice cheap batteries that have tested well


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For an attractively lower price. The reviews I've seen reflect what the previous post says, they have not encountered anything it couldn't remove. Yes, there are more powerful tools, but that's not always the whole story.

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I mean, the HF is less too -- and more powerful :dunno:

I guess it boils down to your use: I've stumped both the Fuel/XR guns, and 1/2 air, and 3/4 air...if you're doing light automotive maintenance, I'm sure it will do you just fine. :beer:
 

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I bought some pole chainsaw tool from them when it was on sale for a ridiculous price. Thing works great. I think it's 40V? The battery is pretty huge on it. I've used it to trim all the trees on my property, and even use it to scale back brush.
 

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They're made by Chervon...same company that makes Ego. I'd say they deserve more respect, I'd definitely take them over Ridgid or Porter Cable.

I have found some of the circular saws have some play in the plate but I've only seen those in-store and those get treated like garbage.
 

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I've been running the 24v line for about a year. Originally planned to go red, but figured with the 12-month "no hassle" guarantee, it was worth a shot.

I started out with the 1/2" impact, drill driver, and 1/4 impact. Most of last spring/summer was used re-building an old race car. I used both impacts heavily. The 1/2 impact ripped rusted spindle bolts and such with impunity. With a set of socket adapters the 1/4 impact was fairly decent for small bolts.

The drill was decent. I had to warranty it once due to a bad chuck. Unfortunately, I cannot speak to the warranty procedure as my dad works for Lowe's in commercial sales and took care of it for me. Since then, I've had zero issues.

As I eventually bought a house and started rehabbing my garage, I've picked up the palm sander and some of the cordless work lights. Both the drills and 1/4 impact have gotten significantly more use and have held up well. I picked up a tripod for the lights and have been using them everywhere (house, wrenching in driveway at night, lighting my pit stall, camping, etc.). Of all things, a "cordless" work light is the one thing that I never knew I needed..

I was holding out on the circular saw, 3/8 impact, and ratchet. I've been considering "turning in" my current drill and impacts to go for the XTR stuff if it turns out to be that much better. My main concern when buying in was long-term support, but multiple people have assured me that the 24v line isn't going anywhere and is going to be one of the few areas where they plan to continually push the Kobalt brand.

At least from my perspective, there are a few drawbacks:

  • Long-Term support - Although they've said things to the contrary, this is Kobalt/Lowe's, so who knows.
  • Warranty - Related to above. The stores are cracking down on returns outside of the 30-day window. This might add a layer of hassle to the warranty process (the tools, I will add, have a great return/warranty policy). With items being discontinued (even if replaced by XTR), I am not sure how warranty will be handled.
  • Small Details - The ratchet is huge, like the IR ratchet. Not sure how well it will be in real-world situations. The impact guns could use a boot, IMO. Small things like that. They aren't deal breakers, but they're annoying.

As it stands, I have no real reason to turn these in come June and replace with Milwaukee. While I would like the better "details" (different ratchet/protective boots), I am not sure if it is worth paying 2x as more for batteries and buying into a second battery platform (M12). Granted, I could simply pick up the M12 ratchet and screwdriver, but that's something I need to figure out on my own.

Based upon my experience, however, I can say that these things do hold up well in mechanical work. Keep in mind that I'm not a tech, but I grew up in auto parts and heavy truck yards so I appreciate quality tools. While some of the details above bother me, the battery prices more than make up for it.

My only question is what will the XTR line look like. The stuff is appearing in some stores, but I have yet to see any pricing. If the new XTR impacts and batteries are priced closer to Milwaukee, that value proposition definitely will take a hit.
 
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Just went to Lowe's to check out the freebie deal. I couldn't talk them into letting me get the compact drill as my freebie, even though it's under the $129 value. The drill is not included in that promotion. That's really what I need for now, so I passed on it. Although I may try the Lowe's in another town.

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It looks as though the XTR line is beginning to hit more stores. Price looks to be $169 for the 1/4 impact driver and $269 for the 1/2 impact wrench.

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Just took advantage of the current deal. needed the grinder anyway and that was 129 . So I basically got 2 more batteries and a extra charger for free. Guy I work with has Dewalt power tools and he tried my drill. Mind you his is the standard brushed drill . He was blown away. Plus when I told him my 2ah batteries are pretty much half the price of his. He was actually starting to have buyer's remorse.
 
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Just took advantage of the current deal. needed the grinder anyway and that was 129 . So I basically got 2 more batteries and a extra charger for free. Guy I work with has Dewalt power tools and he tried my drill. Mind you his is the standard brushed drill . He was blown away. Plus when I told him my 2ah batteries are pretty much half the price of his. He was actually starting to have buyer's remorse.
Is a good deal, I just wish they would let you get the drill with it.

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It looks as though the XTR line is beginning to hit more stores. Price looks to be $169 for the 1/4 impact driver and $269 for the 1/2 impact wrench.

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Pretty good premium over the current stuff. Pretty cool to see options though.

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More info RE: pricing taken from a YouTube video description:

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tl;dr - Pricing includes battery and charger.

Apparently, the XR batteries are using a new cell (number escapes me at the moment) that is more power dense. From what I gather, the combos are all coming with the "base" charger unfortunately. This is kind of a bummer considering that the current 1/2" impact includes the "fast" charger.

There is a 4-bay sequential charger that is supposedly faster than the "fast" charger.. It just landed in stores and is not on the site, but IIRC it's around $100.
 
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Good. Still a heck of a jump.
The 4.0 battery helps, but yeah, it's a jump. Current drill is $99 with a 2.0 battery. Vs $169 for the XTR 4.0. I think it would be worth a premium for certain tools, impacts, hammer drill maybe. For the regular drill I'll probably stick with the cheaper one.

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They're made by Chervon...same company that makes Ego. I'd say they deserve more respect, I'd definitely take them over Ridgid or Porter Cable.

I have found some of the circular saws have some play in the plate but I've only seen those in-store and those get treated like garbage.
Any idea where that plant is located?

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Any idea where that plant is located?

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Nanjing, China, I believe.

They also have other plants in China. They have made corded and cordless tools for Craftsman and I think some other brands like Rikon. But I believe Nanjing is where Ego is made, I think Kobalt 24V and Skil tools are made there also.
 

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Has anyone tried out the XTR stuff? I have about 2 weeks left on my "1 Year Satisfaction Guarantee" for the 1/2" & 1/4" impacts and the drill. Debating whether it's worth upgrading. The new 1/2" impact has 2x the torque of the original (600 vs. 1200 lb-ft.) and the 1/4" impact has 2400 in-lb. vs. 1800.

I use the 1/4" impact on misc. car stuff as I've found that a socket adapter + socket is about the perfect length for most jobs.

I haven't found anything that the 1/2" impact can't do, but 2x the power wouldn't be a bad thing.

So far, the only thing I've been disappointed in is the circular saw. The bluetooth speaker is nothing to write home about, but It's been nice to take up to the cabin (along with the floodlights).
 

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So update, nearly a year later...

I upgraded my original drill/impact driver kit and picked up the 5-piece XTR set (hammer drill, impact driver, circ saw, recip saw, and LED light) that's currently on sale for $349. Sold the standard circ saw to a family member for $50 and broken even on the deal.

Overall, I am fairly impressed. This was a nominal upgrade in most respects, but the 7.25" blade on the circ saw is much better than the 6.5" on the old one. Now I can cut through 4"x4" wood much easier. The added power helps as well.

The same goes for the impact driver, a tool that I've traditionally used a lot. Although recently, I've picked up the standard 3/8" impact that's built upon the original 1/4" driver. A 3/8" XTR impact would be perfect for my needs.

Likely when the XTR 1/2" impact goes back on sale for $199 I'll upgrade just because. Right now it's $269, but you get the 3/8 right angle impact for free, which isn't a terrible deal. Fortunately for me, most of my friends and family have bought into the 24v line, so offloading the old one will be easy.

There's supposed to be a new band saw, caulk gun, radio, and a few other things dropping this fall. No word on the nailer, however.
 

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I have the XTR circular saw, hammer drill, drill/driver and impact driver. So far I have been happy with all of them. The saw was a great upgrade, quieter than my corded one, and just about as powerful. I wanted to get the big impact, but lucked into a better deal for the Bosch Profactor one instead.

The right angle impact has been pretty good, although I do find it a bit too long to fit in some places. The smaller 1/2” and 3/8” impacts have been good too. Overall I have been happy with my Kobalt stuff so far as well.
 

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The Torque Test Channel dropped a review of the Kobalt right angle impact vs. the Milwaukee one. Obviously this is 24v vs. 12v, but the results were pretty interesting.
 
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