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Kobalt #607403 Gearless Ratchet

platypus20

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Lowe's is just bringing out a new 3/8" drive gearless ratchet, a ratchet that works on the premise of a one way sprag (like in an automatic transmission). They offer very little swing to get another grip, and have almost no back drag. Snap-on has just released a gearless (#FZERO) at a list price of about $180, the Kobalt set comes with the ratchet and 12 universal sockets (pure junk) that fit both SAE and metric nuts and bolts. Mac Tools offered a gearless ratchet in the 90s, made by a company named Radian, that required you to push the drive plug through the ratchet head and reattach the socket to change direction. Both the Snap-On and the Kobalt offer a directional lever/knob, to change ratchet direction.

My First Impressions

Two of the #607975, Kobalt gearless ratchet and universal socket sets, arrived at the shop this afternoon. After a quick look see inside and the usual shot of RLL (they were bone dry), I gave them a quick whirl. Less than stellar, right off the bat, the 2, I had were defective, they would only ratchet in one direction, I called the local store, they had them and would glad replace the ones I got from the main warehouse.

I carefully checked the stock at the store, 2 of the 5 on display had the same issue, I did find 2 sets that were operational. So back to the shop and to continue the trial. They have a huge head, over 1-5/8" in diameter, the head is over 3/4" thick, the QR sticks up an addition 1/4", so to the base of the drive plug to the top of the QR is over an inch. The head on the Kobalt is even larger than the one on the Mac Tools sourced Radian gearless, which I thought was borderline unusable. Its heavy, weighs more than any ratchet I have of that length.

In the pictures, I show the Kobalt # 607403, a Radian (no number), a Mac #XR8, a Duralast #73-873 (custom handled) and a Snap-On #F730.

It feels almost identical to the Radian, with no real back drag, but a good positive, solid, forward feel. The directional selector feels cheap, with no real feel whether its locked in or not. The Radian has a drive plug that has to be pushed through the head to change direction. I would love to try new Snap-On FZERO gearless ratchet, but $180 is a tad bit steep and none of the local dealers are going to stock it (they don't believe at that price, it will sell).

Seeing that over half of the first 7, I saw were defective, with the directional selector feel as poor (the source of all the defective ones), the head size and finally the weight, IMHO this is really a gimmick tool. A gimmick tool that will soon be discounted, then discontinued.

An interesting concept, poorly executed, and with almost no positive merit.

Don't get me going on the one size fits both SAE and metric sockets, they are clearly way below even the standard of which the old Harbor Freight would sell.

I will continue to try this ratchet, but based on what I have found thus far, I would avoid it like Ebola.

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3 - the inside view
 

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What you need is one of these:)
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BirdMobile

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Thanks for the review!

Mac tools also manufactured, and maybe still does, a gearless ratchet with a direction selector instead of the push-through spindle you talk about. I have one, and it is probably my LEAST used ratchet out of all the ratchets I have.

My problems with it are many, but I mainly dislike the large, heavy head and the lack of feedback clicks. Many here would probably ask why the "clicks" are important, thinking of it as mainly an annoyance or something that doesn't matter... but I'm telling you that you MISS them. Without the clicks, you have no way of knowing whether or not the ratchet head is slipping on back turn (as it should) or if the fastener is finally lose enough that IT is slipping. This can lead to "Ratche-petuation", where you are cranking back and forth and all you are accomplishing is rotating the fastener back and forth.

This is a HUGE deal, and a big deal breaker for ANY ratchets of this type that come along - at least until they figure out how to give you some kind of feedback that lets you know the head is "backdragging".

In the meantime, my Mac gearless sits in the drawer, waiting for those rare cases where I have almost no turning angle to work with. The Kobalt offering interests me about as much as a month old mayonaise and cheese sandwich.
 
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I went looking for one of these a few days ago at my local Lowe's and there were not any to be found. I wish they'd offer it sans the junk sockets though, if I do end up getting one those sockets will just go straight into the scrap bucket.
 

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My problems with it are many, but I mainly dislike the large, heavy head and the lack of feedback clicks. Many here would probably ask why the "clicks" are important, thinking of it as mainly an annoyance or something that doesn't matter... but I'm telling you that you MISS them. Without the clicks, you have no way of knowing whether or not the ratchet head is slipping on back turn (as it should) or if the fastener is finally lose enough that IT is slipping. This can lead to "Ratche-petuation", where you are cranking back and forth and all you are accomplishing is rotating the fastener back and forth.

This is a HUGE deal, and a big deal breaker for ANY ratchets of this type that come along - at least until they figure out how to give you some kind of feedback that lets you know the head is "backdragging".

Pretty much this.

The gearless ratchet sounds great till you go to use it. Gimmick...
 
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As I said in my initial post, I"m not about to pay $180 for a ratchet, regardless of the manufacturer, its not that I can't, I just won't, IMO no ratchet is worth $180. I might spend that much on an air ratchet, but not on a hand ratchet.
Was only joking. Not trying to offend
 

DodgeMech

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As I said in my initial post, I"m not about to pay $180 for a ratchet, regardless of the manufacturer, its not that I can't, I just won't, IMO no ratchet is worth $180. I might spend that much on an air ratchet, but not on a hand ratchet.

if it's a long comfort handle, flex head, 1/2 drive, dual 80 i think it's worth that or more...but for a standard length 3/8? **** no...

the fzero's action is as smooth as silk, and the selector feels good, but i don't use standard length 3/8 much at all...not enough to pay 180 anyway

as far as the kobalt goes, i'm sure it'll become a ************* in short order
 

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For true zero degree situatios I found the spinner handle ratchet very handy. The differential type gearing inside the head adds a lot of bulk but I don't need to move the handle at all.
Just start spinning it and the bolt goes in if I get the alignment right.

The Truper versions I have are solid users in regular tasks also, just that the push through plug and the flip-to-reverse feature does get slow to use in jobs many changes are required. Not a tool for a flat rate tech worried about book times.

I'd love to try a gearless, any gearless at all. So far they don't exist in my market.
 
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platypus20

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I've been using the Kobalt ratchet a bit in the shop, the comment of missing the back clicks is true, it has an eerie feeling to it. It seems okay, the only other gearless I have for comparison is the Mac sourced Radian. The feel is almost identical, but with the less than solid feel in the directional lever, I actually prefer the Radian, where I have to push the drive plug through to change direction.
 

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I guess I can scratch this off my Christmas List. I just saw the ad for it on the T.V. the other day too. I was really paying attention to the commercial that my son said "Uh Oh, Dad going to want that.";)
 

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I just bought one of the 3/8 Kobalt gear-less ratchets on clearance. It was the one that comes with the cheap sockets. For just under ten bucks I thought it was worth a shot. After reading this thread I now know to not expect much.
 

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I had two of the Kobalts . . . worked great but no real use. Jumbo size head and not very smooth with far more rational torque than my new Dual 80s. I will take an 80 tooth ratchet over a gearless any day. Id they were the same size as a standard round head I may give them more of a look, but in a tight situation where you need less than a 3 degree arc they are too big. Maybe a 1/4" size body with 3/8" drive would peak my interest, but the compact 72 tooth that does this is hard to beat . . .

I have two Titan gearless micro ratchets I bought on clearance at Northern that I use for very tight work and they serve that purpose well. They are push through.

$180 for the Snap On . . . not in this life. I would buy a long handle 1/2" dual 80 first and still have cash left over.
 
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