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Hey there everyone, I basicly had some general question about tools. I am building my house and plan on stocking my garage with NEW tools. Any good suggestions for me? I will be using them for DIY house/mechanic work. I do not need the BEST of the best like snap-on, But I would like a warranty and easily acessable. Are the Kobalt(lowes), Craftsman(sears) tools any good? Or should I up the ante a bit. I do not want cheap tools. Any input is accepted and appreciated. Yes its a bit vauge and if you have any questions please ask. THANKS!
 
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Up until late ive always used Kobalt. I built and engine and help work on buddies cars all the time while im home and ive never broke anything with normal use...or anything period for that matter. Sounds like they would work just fine for you.
 

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The current line of Kobalt tools are all Taiwan. While they appear very nice I prefer US or European made tools.
 

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Kolbalt are very good tools, they are not snap on, proto, matco, mac or cornwall. But are up there for the diy and homer owners. The only thing I do not recommend is their pliers. The craftsman are better, and so it the channel lock. The ratchet wrenches are pretty good as well. Majority of the kolbalts are made in taiwan, who makes very good tools. Their pliers are made in china, and some of their screwdrivers.

Craftsman sockets are very good, and they have excellent screwdrivers as well. Both their high end craftsman pros, also the wrenches are very good as well in their pro line. Especially the made in the USA ones. But their base wrenches the raise panel are good quality, made in the USA and dependable. Their mid level and high end ratchets are good, but their base ratchet is not that great. I like the kolbalt one over both the craftsman base and mid level ratchet. You can find US made ratchet wrenches form craftsman at some stores. But the taiwan ones are just as good.

And the warranty is hassle free with either brand, and they have a huge national presents. Which makes it easier to warranty.

Now if you want to spend the high end price. Proto, snap on, wright, Cromwell, matco, mac and armstrong are also excellent tools, a bit harder for warranty with most if you do not have a tool account with the truck guys. Proto is easy if there is a grainger close by. But you are playing allot more money for tools.
 

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i would say any of the major brands would be suitable for home, general DIY use, even heavy DIY use. kobalt are decent, craftsman are decent, but who knows what will happen with the company in the next few years. if you want to step up a little higher, look into SK tools, wright, etc.. im a heavy home/DIY user, and the majority of mine are craftsman, but older V series mostly, with a lot of G series, and GK, G2 series mixed in. i chose to stick with craftsman because of the warranty. i can warranty tools 7 days a week usually, so i dont have much down time if i need something. i will add that i rarely need to warranty anything, maybe a few times a year, if even. point is the same tho. the other brands have good warranties, but may take a little more time to get something swapped out. would i go Craftsman again right now, if i could do it over? probably not. not with everything going chinese and taiwan as of late.
 
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not to say the chinese and taiwan tools or not good tools, as i believe they are probably comparable. just the point, in my eyes.
 
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Ok, So what are some of the better USA brands out there? I personally want to support US products. Is there any recomendations on USA tools? Please remember I am not very close to any large city where i am residing so a "trip to the store" may be a bit more of an ordeal. Although I do have a sears right around the corner and dont mind ordering tools as long as warranty work is fairly easy.
 

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You will be paying allot more money and have a harder time warranting the product as you will be paying for shipping to the company. And even the big US brands have made in taiwan in their line up, and you pay more for it. That said

All craftsman socket are made in the US, and most the craftsman sets are still made in the USA. Minus the new pass through and universal tools.

High end diy and home owners - SK, Williams, Bluepoint, Blackhawk by proto and craftsman pro. Will have a fair mix of asian made tools, paying 2x more

And bit higher end Armstrong, Snap On, Proto, Mac, Matco, Wright, Cornwall. Less asian made, but still some here and there. Playing 4x-6x more money
 

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Personally I would get a craftsman master set, they are US made. And build from there. They have a 300 pc set on sale right now. Pretty much all but the ratchet wrench are made in the USA. But you are not going to find to many made in the USA ratchet wrench for under 400 for a set. Then sell the rp ratchet and get the US slim profile craftsman or the craftsman premium or any other US made ratchet.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00941309000P
 

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Nothing affordable if you want NEW. Well, not in USA made. There is a HUGE jump in price outside of the Craftsman USA made stuff if you want American made hand tools. I would stick with Craftsman even though the brand is not headed in the best direction. Kobalt is nice stuff for import, but that nicer import stuff is pretty much the same be it Blue Point or the Stanley stuff sold at Walmart. It is not too hard to tell what import stuff is junk and what is good quality.

You pretty much have to go piece by piece when looking for good imports. Some is juunk and some is great.... Some Craftsman stuff is top shelf, some is ****. Same can be said for Stanley, Husky, Kobalt and so on. One major reason is just about any item in these brands is mad by a subcontractor who may make the same item stamped with Kobalt one day and Stanley the next. You can't simply say Kobalt is good and Husky is not.
Best bet is still Craftsman if sticking with one brand. SK is nice but much more expensive I doubt the average weekend warrior would see much usability for the premium.
 

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I have the US and Taiwan Kobalt stuff. They are pretty good. The pliers leave a lot to be desired as already said but the ratchets and sockets are good. The only thing I broke was a 3/8 drive ball hex socket and they swapped it out no problem. I use Kobalt since it's the only thing I can warranty with ease.
 

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This is probably my favorite Kobalt tool. Made in the USA and it opens beers...
 

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Why do you need new? There are tons of usa made used tools out there. They are better, stronger, than new. Plus its fun to go around and look for then.
 

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If you don't have a preference in the USA made vs. Foreign tools, then you'll find all of them work for DIYers.. I could rebuild an engine with the cheapest Harbor Frieght set out there.

There is a toughness difference between the low priced and the high priced tools, when you push them to their limits. There is a difference between the ratchet action of cheap ratchets and better ones. There is a difference between the slimness of the wrench body between a cheap wrench and an expensive one.

If I were outfitting a toolbox and I didn't care where the tools were built, I'd buy a craftsman or Kobalt socket set - the 260 piece Craftsman set in the black plastic box is hard to beat for $159-199. I'd throw out the ratchets that come with it and buy some good ones - I love zyklops, but they're expensive - you can get nice Stanley's at Walmart for not a lot of money. I'd augment the set with some Kobalt wrenches or maybe even some gearwrenches (despite some early frustrations with mine, I haven't had any more trouble with them). I really like the X-beam type wrenches. They sell a Kobalt version of X-beam ratcheting wrenches that I like.

If you insist on new American made then I'd buy SK or Wright and be done with it. I've had the SK green box sets in 1/4 and 3/8 for a long time and used them hard and never broken a single tool. A few years ago I added the similar SK 1/2 set in the green box and I have no complaints.
 

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Before lowes got rid of all their old stock (Made in the USA) I picked up a lot of sockets and they are all still going strong.

Back in the 1990's I bought a set of tools and the quality was just fantastic. I think today they are coming from overseas but for the price you will like them.
 

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Hey there everyone, I basically had some general question about tools. I am building my house and plan on stocking my garage with NEW tools. Any good suggestions for me? I will be using them for DIY house/mechanic work.

The Gearwrench line of tools is very well made. They are made in Taiwan and China. The warranty is a mail-in process, so it is not as convenient as Sears Craftsman.
 
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I use a few of the ratchets and they are much better than anything else in the price range imo. They are smooth and take a little abuse. I do not have any of the sockets yet. I am still using my usa made craftsman I bought in 1996. I have never broke one yet. If given the choice between Craftsman and Kobalt both being imports I would choose the Kobalt
 

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You will be paying allot more money and have a harder time warranting the product as you will be paying for shipping to the company. And even the big US brands have made in taiwan in their line up, and you pay more for it. That said

All craftsman socket are made in the US, and most the craftsman sets are still made in the USA. Minus the new pass through and universal tools.

High end diy and home owners - SK, Williams, Bluepoint, Blackhawk by proto and craftsman pro. Will have a fair mix of asian made tools, paying 2x more

And bit higher end Armstrong, Snap On, Proto, Mac, Matco, Wright, Cornwall. Less asian made, but still some here and there. Playing 4x-6x more money

Surprisingly, many Armstrong and Cman/Cman Pro tools are exactly the same just rebranded. The ratchets are mostly different, but other than that there are a ton of crossover items. These are ones I can think of:

  • T handle nut drivers
  • swivel sockets
  • swivel impacts (pinless) -- same as Matco also
  • regular sockets (at least before easy read sockets)
  • pro USA wrenches

I'm sure there are many more. Granted these only include the above made in a certain time frame, but you can essentially get Armstrong tools at Cman prices and warranty.
 

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if you buy something like Wright for home/DIY use, there is very, very little chance of ever having warranty issues. You'll be giving them to your grandkids.
 

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The new asian made Kobalt tools are nice but pretty overpriced for what you're getting. Their ratchets appear to be the same 72 tooth ratchet that every other made in Taiwan company is putting out, only at three times the price.
 

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That 72t is not 40 dollars, all the 72t form taiwan sells for about 20 dollars. Kolbalt sells for 23 dollars. And it is simpler to warranty, and there is some where bring it to right away.

The HF metal ones that looks like the 72t but it is a 36t, so are the powerbuilts ones. They do have 72t but the sell for 20 dollars as well. The duralast, not sure if it is 72t or not but it sells for the same price as the kolbalt. The northern tool that looks like the kolbalt is a 45t for 15 dollars. The titan may be the only 72t that is 8 dollars less then the kolbalt, not sure though if it is 72t. But from reviews a good ratchet.
 

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That duralast ratchet is 36T. The kobalt is not 3X the price of truly comparable ratchets unless you find some hot deal on amazon, ect. Also Lowes has more ratchets in various styles and sizes than probably any store that sells tools.
 
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That duralast ratchet is 36T. The kobalt is not 3X the price of truly comparable ratchets unless you find some hot deal on amazon, ect. Also Lowes has more ratchets in various styles and sizes than probably any store that sells tools.

I would go with a kolbalt 72t over allot of other ratchets in it's price range. The craftsman 60t is nice as well. And are in the same price range 90 dollars for a set of 3 and they have made in the USA ones at some sears. But I the kolbalt feels nicers.

That said, my go to ratchet is a wera zyklop, in the past it was a proto big dawn. Now I also have the proxxon ratchet handle as well.
 

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I think others have said this on here, but as far as Kobalt tools go, the pliers are junk. I would spend a little bit more and get Craftsman or Channellock

The Taiwan Wrenches are fairly nice, with a nice finish.
 
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I LOVE the craftsman professional screwdrivers, their other stuff I don't really like too much. The few kobalt tools I do have seem to be okay, but they're in my home box and I do not use them professionally. I do recommend getting a bit higher end ratchet though. ***** when those break and you give yourself a nice punch in the chest.
 
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Lots of information, and all is greatly appreciated. I think I will mostly go craftsman pro, But that does not rule out any kobalt(besides pliers) or higher end stuff. Any more info is greatly appreciated.
 

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Can't go wrong with craftman pro screwdrivers. Pliers channellock are a bit nicer then the cman. But the cmans are pretty good.
 

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how has the warranty been on Kobalt? everyone is saying smooth but I see some people on other sites are claiming they needed a receipt or the store wouldn't honor the warranty, this is my biggest concern with Lowes. I think craftsman is a good brand I have nothing against them. I haven't been able to find extra long craftsman like some of my snap on, maybe I'm not looking in the right spot.
 

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I hate Craftsman wrenches. The open ends spread like butter when you're putting the big hurt to them. Craftsman chrome sockets peel and next thing you know, blood all over everything. Have Matco chrome sockets and they're starting to chip. Not as much blood. I used to turn wrenches for a living, (dealership, hot rod shop, vintage race cars) now I just do my vehicles and fab work. If you're not doing heavy wrenching or resto work, Craftsman should be great, just watch the chrome on the sockets. If you're going to work them hard, pony up the big bucks.
 

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i work mine fairly hard, probably not as hard as an everyday mechanic. I don't have any craftsman chrome sockets......actually yes detroit diesel you need a set of 12 point metric so I have them. I couldn't find the impact sockets when I bought these. I haven't had any craftsman wrenches spread but never say never i suppose
 

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I noticed a lot of the old new stock at Lowe's (which is basically gone at my Lowe's) is Made in U.S.A. Looks like re-branded Armstrong, Craftsman, Matco, Gearwrench, KD, and Allen stuff, all made my Danaher as mentioned before I believe. I have 72t ratchets branded U.S.A. made by Allen that I like much better than my import Williams. At one point there was an Armstrong part number cross reference on the Danaher website that crossed Matco, Allen and Armstrong (I think). I know if I see the older U.S.A. stuff at Lowe's I buy it because I have had good luck with the Allen stuff. I have nothing to contribute on the newer imported stuff. I am also very pleased with my Wright/Cougar set and the few Bahco sets I have. All of which are U.S.A. made and all of which I got very reasonably from Amazon.com. I got my Wright/Cougar stuff a 1/4" SAE 21 piece set for $39.99 I got a similar Bahco set for $37.99 in 1/2" I like them both. It is hit and miss though, I was going to link it for you, but the Wright/Cougar is back up to $74.99 now.
 
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