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OzarkMan

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Haven't posted in a while. Hope all you guys and gals are doing well!
I bought a KwiKool KB1811 portable ac unit to cool an outdoor 285sq ft block storage building. The unit is 17,700 BTU's running R410a on 120v. It is rated to cool up to 600 sq ft spaces. Unfortunately it didn't work as well as i thought and during the heat of the Arizona day, the temp creeped up to 88 in the space and cooled down to 78 at night. The ceiling is 8' and insulated but the walls are typical hollow 6x18 block. I realize there is heat gain. The building is surrounded by another block wall on two sides, a garage on the other and a full porch in front. So I called the company and they agreed to exchange it for a larger unit. I bought their largest 120v unit called the KIB2411 which is supposedly a 2 ton 23,500 BTU unit. I received it the other day and put it in service in the same space. This one does a worse job despite being a larger unit with the temps creeping up to 94 during the day and taking even slower to reach 78 by early morning. They claim this is the largest 2ton 120v unit on the market. I was really excited to get it knowing its claimed to cool up to 800sq ft of space. Of course the first thing I did when I got it was to check out the insides via the access door. I noticed it has a LG 208-230v compressor. I don't know how it is wired to run on 120v but it does. I googled the compressor and LG's website says its an 18,200 BTU output. The Kwikool advertisement showed it to be a reciprocating compressor running on R407c. I was hopeful with it coming with the 407 and recip compressor being that our temperatures are high ambient and of course being a true 2 ton unit. This thing cost me 4k.

Sooooo.... To you HVAC gurus, why's this thing not keeping up let alone being a bigger unit working less efficient than the smaller unit I sent back? How can they run a 230v compressor on 120v? Is my theory of R407 being a better refrigerant for high temp environments? They have another model called the KIB2421 which is the same exact thing except it runs on 220v.
I did so much research online but came up empty. I guess I need info from you guys who are in this business. Incidentally both the KIB1811 and 2411 both use rotary compressors.

Much appreciated!
 
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OzarkMan

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Both ducts vent outside. The one from the window is direct in the shade and is the intake. The other vents to an open garage. Its a block shed thats 15x16. Only thing insulated is the ceiling at 8'. The rest of the walls are 6" hollow block which are shaded by another block fence 3 ' away. Normal air temps inside are 101. Outside varies from 99 to 113. Lately its been 106 outside.

Curious as to why the smaller unit I sent back was actually able to keep it better cooled than the replacement which is a 2 ton unit. I called the company and they say that despite the compressor being rated at 18,200 BTU, the design of the unit is 23.500btu. The one I sent back was a 17,700
 

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What we do know:
Building is 285 square feet.
6” block walls, hollow core = an R Value of 2.06 to 2.64
Ceiling = unknown R value.

Basically your building has little to no insulation. Using the “old rule of thumb of X number of square feet = X number of BTU’s is not valid.

You need to do a Schedule “J” calc.

Before jumping into the AC, you should look at some type of insulation for the outbuilding. Insulation is much cheaper than buying AC and paying for power.

Insulation and do your Schedule “J” calc.
 
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OzarkMan

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I will agree that insulation isn't a stronghold on the walls. The ceiling has batt insulation along with 2" rigid foam under the thin ply finish. At 285 square feet, I would think that a large commercial portable unit rated for 800 would suffice. I didn't want to put in a mini split as I would use the portable unit on job sites for my guys to cool down in an unused room. This is the reason I went with their largest 120v 23k btu model. I raise Classic Oriental Old Frill Satinette Pigeons and wanted to use the space for the youngsters. Right now they are in a spare bedroom. Too many molting feathers to clean up after with a vacuum where I can just blow them out the double doors of the shed. (Birds are in large cages)

These two are in my outside loft.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1033749&stc=1&d=1595292007
 

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