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Hello all:

My uncle is a professional ecomomist, his advice for large purchases, i.e. truck brand tool boxes, automobiles, any RV equipment, etc....etc....is to wait for the upcoming "crash"

The economy cannot sustain the high prices of these items, the cost of necessary commodities, will soon leave us with vitually nothing to spend on non-essential items. This down slope economy and ultra high food and fuel commodities, etc.....will force most consumers to restrict spending.

The large corporations like truck tool companies, auto manufacturers, electronics, RV/ motorcycle. and certain retail segments, won't to able to keep their heads above water, and will cut prices to the bare minimum, just to move inventory.

There will also be a big burst of private good deals, as desperate overdrawn consumers, sell valuable goods, just to heat, and feed their homes.

Anyone looking to make any large purchase, would be wise to wait, in the next 6 months to 4 years, it will become a real buyers market, for anyone who has any money to spend.

I have already seen Sears offering 2K tool boxes for half that, etc........Rebates on say new trucks will reach 10 to 12K, especially for GM. At the same time commodities will soar, and the weakened USA dollar will bring about all time low deals at the peak of recession/more like depression.

Be patient, for alot of us, our dream tool boxes, etc...............will be coming ALOT cheaper soon.

The above is not my opinion, but a economist's forecast, who has been right so far.

This thead was about purchases only, please don't bring the political portion of the economy into play. We should post these upcoming deals, as we see them. I for one think my uncle is right.

happy hunting:beer:
 
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Some say the "crash" is over-

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/29/news/economy/gdp/index.htm?postversion=2009102912

I don't think anyone has a clear idea of where it is going, I know I don't but if the deal is good no I am buying now.

OK, I wish it was, I get info from my family pros LOL. To give my uncle credit, he told me 2 years ago, that the housing market was going to crash, when most others said it would slump and pick back up.

From what I can see, Bobby may be right again.:headscrat

Take the good, deals, but very very good deals are probably on the way, for new products also, we'll see.
 

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Eventually - if things keep going the way they are - we're gonna' need lots of guns and ammo to protect our family from lawlessness and looters.
 

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Yeah,the rising gas prices currently at $2.89/gal here will definitely have people thinking twice about unnecessary purchases,and have some selling off their prized items large and small.

It's definitely a buyers market and if things get worse we'll see crime escalate as well.
 
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Vintage muscle car prices will plummet to 1/5 of their existing price, gas will rise to over 4 bucks a gallon by summer 2010, most likely. :(

I hope Bob is dead wrong, but I am going to save everything I have, already told my Cornwell dealer it was ok to stop by everyother week to collect, to save him fuel/time. I won't be buying anything, not with the outlook. 12 houses were foreclosed on, within 2 miles of my house, and they are starting to look like detroit houses, some sold at auction for less than 20K and they were 250K houses.:( Now that the summer folks are gone, the real condition of things is raising its ugly head.

My uncle gave me fair warning of the housing market, and I refinanced when the going was still questionable, was able to drop my mortgage payment in half, glad I listened to him.
 

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Yeah,the rising gas prices currently at $2.89/gal here will definitely have people thinking twice about unnecessary purchases,and have some selling off their prized items large and small.

It's definitely a buyers market and if things get worse we'll see crime escalate as well.


When you start to pay approx $8.00 per gallon you will understand why, at least here in the UK, the V8 is fast becoming a thing of the past...........
 

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We're at $1.09/L here in eastern Canada.About $4.36/gal.Been that way for years.Haven't heard of any looters yet.
 
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The sky is falling.....

LOL, That is what my Cornwell dealer said a couple of months ago, I saw him monday, he wasn't smirking anymore. He will make it, just not gang busters anymore. Whatever goes down comes back up, we just don't realize what the bottom is yet.
 

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I don't know... it's not like the deals will start falling from the sky into our laps. Responsible people won't buy luxury items that slightly drop in price.

As for Sears - they've been offering wonky discounts for the longest times. Who knows what their motivation is. It could also just be that their markups are excessively high so that even modest discounts result in profit.
 

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Wisconsin has a minimum markup law. Large retailers are not allowed to sell items below cost (loss leader items) because this would be unfair to mom and pop stores that can't do that. Seems more unfair to the consumer...

My point is that the great deals may not be as prevalent in my state.
 

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Projections are just that, projections. Rarely is one person always right and no one can tell the future. Not to say your uncle is wrong but I'm just saying no one really know, with 100% certainty, when the economy will 'come back'.

Some people things this dip will be a "V", others a "U", others a "W", etc.

Sounds like your uncle thinks it is a "U" and we aren't in the trough yet.
 

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Personally, I think that the best deals are going to be seen between now and the end of the year. The corporations are going to be doing everything to boost their numbers for the year to minimize losses. Used items are still going to be available at a deal. The volume and pricing on used items are going to vary depending on your area of the country. Most economic indicators are pointing towards a recovery. No one can be certain as to what the economy will do.

If you have the means to take advantage of a deal, then do it. I would not recommend going into large amount of debt to take advantage of a deal though because that just opens yourself up to a greater amount of risk.

Also, I would not take any economic forecast (even mine) posted on a internet tool forum very seriously. There are a lot better and more informative places to get economic news.
 

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i was told the first day at school: Don't borrow money to buy tools.

i pay cash on CL stuff, use credit card but pay it off every month on online stuff. if i can't pay it off, i dont use it.
 
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Projections are just that, projections. Rarely is one person always right and no one can tell the future. Not to say your uncle is wrong but I'm just saying no one really know, with 100% certainty, when the economy will 'come back'.

Some people things this dip will be a "V", others a "U", others a "W", etc.

Sounds like your uncle thinks it is a "U" and we aren't in the trough yet.

That is 100% true, I hope he is wrong, so does he. Look around the next few months, I have never seen things this bad, everything goes back up, but we may see a new bottom before it is over.

I am putting off purchases, for some time, I am hopefull of good things to come, but preparing for things not to be so great. better to be safe than sorry.

I'll bet the things I listed above will manifest themselves (cars, toolboxes, RV's, old cars) I will save, and maybe "stimulate our later economy" with some large purchases I am holding out on. In the meantime, I'm very uncertain.

Wasn't trying to ruin anyones' day, was pointing out the bright side, that some of us with responsible money habits may be able to treat ourselves to something good for much less, in the fairly near future.

I really want a 1977 or 1978 Trans am, but the going price of 20K, well, if they hit 6 to 7K :) Then I might have enough leftover for my new toolbox, probably a Snap-on, since Cornwell went import on their boxes.

Good luck:beer:
 

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I have no advice on large tool retail purchases, because I've never made any and never will. However here are my random opinions on the some of the above:

1. This is the best time ever to be buying used quality tools.
A. The last of the WWII generation and the first of the boomers are dying off and there are estate sales everywhere every weekend.
B. Young guys for the most part have absolutely no interest in them, so those of us older, but not too old are the only buyers.
C. Harbor Freight's Chicom imports have driven tool prices so low, even used USA tools seem expensive to the unknowing.

2. Muscle car prices may level off, but will not drop to 1/5 of current, because the majority are garage queens - they are never driven anyway. Now, wait until the boomers really start dying off in serious numbers and then's when the price will tank.
A. Same thing happened to Ford Model A prices. Their selling prices peaked in real dollars around 1963, when the depression era guys really were into restoring them.
B. Ford Mustang prices peaked around 1995, when those who wanted one in 1964 could afford to restore one.

3.
i pay cash on CL stuff, use credit card but pay it off every month on online stuff. if i can't pay it off, i dont use it.
Good on yer! Someone once said casino gambling and the state lotteries are a tax on stupidity. The same could be said for carrying a revolving balance on any credit account.

Your opinions and results may vary.

thnx, jack vines
 
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Billionaire globalist George Soros told the Financial Times during an interview that China will supplant the United States as the leader of the new world order and that America should not resist the country’s decline as the dollar weakens, living standards drop, and a new global currency is introduced.

Asked what Obama should discuss when he visits China next month, Soros stated, “This would be the time because I think you really need to bring China into the creation of a new world order, financial world order,” adding that China was a reluctant member of the IMF who didn’t make enough of a contribution.

“I think you need a new world order that China has to be part of the process of creating it and they have to buy in, they have to own it in the same way as the United States owns…the current order,” said Soros, adding that the G20 was a move in this direction.

Soros said that there was a flight from currencies across the board, and that this is why the price of commodities, notably gold and oil, were generally rising. He also stated that an orderly decline of the dollar was “desirable” and that the entire system needed to be reconstituted towards a global currency.

“You need a new currency system and actually the Special Drawing Rights do give you the makings of a system and I think it’s ill-considered on the part of the United States to resist the wider use of Special Drawing Rights, they could be very useful now when you have a global shortfall of demand, you could actually internationally create currency through Special Drawing Rights,” said Soros, explaining that this was already in process after the IMF injected an allocation of Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) equivalent to $250 billion into the global economy.

Soros also stated that richer countries were already transferring wealth to poorer countries via SDR’s, with the IMF paying for the half per cent transaction cost.

Soros said the world would have to go through a “painful adjustment” following the decline of the dollar and the introduction of a global currency. Reading between the lines, he essentially threatened to kill the dollar completely if the United States did not get on board with the global currency.

Soros predicted that China would become the new engine of the global economy, replacing the U.S., and that this would slow economic growth and reduce living standards. Soros characterized the United States as a drag on the global economy because of the declining dollar.

 
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I am in the industry that you find economists... we have a saying" God made the first economist and the Devil did not know what to do to get back at God, so he made another economist and another and another and another and on and on.
Right is hard to do consistantly, and if you or he can predict the future I can make you rich beyond your wildest dreams. So do you wanna take that deal? You would have alot of money for a really nice car or two.
 

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I dont really wanna wait for this collaps to happen I dont think i can live/grow food survive in my dream tool box...
 

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Projections are just that, projections. Rarely is one person always right and no one can tell the future. Not to say your uncle is wrong but I'm just saying no one really know, with 100% certainty, when the economy will 'come back'.

Some people things this dip will be a "V", others a "U", others a "W", etc.

Sounds like your uncle thinks it is a "U" and we aren't in the trough yet.

Beginning to look like an "L" to me
 

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Also, i know times are getting harder when i saw my local BBQ joint empty last night,usually there's a line out the door on a friday night.
 

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Why isn't Soros in jail for the **** he pulled? Seriously someone could shoot him and do the world a favor, I remember last year he was testifying about oil prices and saying something like back in 87 when I screwed everyone I did it this way versus whats going on here. Of course you protect politicians from being impeached and give money to grease the wheels and you come out great.

My personal thought is that we have Volcker advising on economic policy here and soon we are going to start seeing heavy duty inflation but the jobs aren't going to come with it.
 

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Vintage muscle car prices will plummet to 1/5 of their existing price,.

I'm OK with that. Old cars are seriously overpriced today as are new cars. If my old Camaro drops to 1/5 of existing value, it will still be worth more than I paid for it.
 

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cornwell boxes are imported?

Yes, they are currently made in the new large Waterloo Plant in Mexico.

On a different note, this thread blows in that you're relying on bad times hitting people and then scarfing up their prized possesions for pennies on the dollar. Just remember that what goes around, comes around and you may be the one losing everything.
 
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On a different note, this thread blows in that you're relying on bad times hitting people and then scarfing up their prized possesions for pennies on the dollar. Just remember that what goes around, comes around and you may be the one losing everything.
The flip side is that they made that difficult decision to sell because they really need your money. If you feel sorry for them, pay the full asking price. I have had to sell things I wish I hadn't, but at the time that was the only option. I regret that I had to sell, but I don't regret selling them because ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
 

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On a different note, this thread blows in that you're relying on bad times hitting people and then scarfing up their prized possesions for pennies on the dollar.


i think that's called "capitalism"
 
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