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Okay so I'm looking at getting a leaf blower/vacuum combo. I was looking at some of the Cub Cadet 4-stroke hand held versions (so I don't have to screw around with mixing 2-stroke oil). I'm not really sure what to buy because I want a reliable machine and one that could be repaired with replacement parts if something were to ever stop working on it. Basically I don't want a high maintenance fussy machine and something that's serviceable. I don't want a throw away machine.

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Ya know, all those inexpensive 2 strokes are wonderful if your careful to take care of it. Use ethanol blocker and true 2 stroke oil, clean the carb in a blue moon...my 2 stokes I ran for 5 years and then sold it at a garage sale for $40.
I now have a 2 stroke Toro combo and this thing will **** and mulch wet leaves! I love it!
 

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I have a worx have had it for 3 or 4 years zero problems with it but as previously mentioned you will be hooked to a cord.
 

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All of the gas powered blower/vacs i looked at get pretty poor reviews in the Vac dept. But I haven't looked in a while...
 
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I was hoping to not be tethered to a cord. I was looking at 4 strokes because of the fact you can just add gas and not worry about ethanol.

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My recommendation would be to find a local lawn equipment store (not big box) and ask their opinion
 

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It depends a lot on how big of a yard you have and how many leaves. Small to medium sized yard, a hand held blower is adequate. For a large yard or one with a lot of trees/leaves get a backpack or wheeled push style.

Actually, for a large yard, you will probably already have a riding lawnmower. Buy a self powered vacuum bagger. Not cheap, but you get the bonus of the leaves being mulched so the take up less space or are great in compost piles.
 
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I was hoping to not be tethered to a cord. I was looking at 4 strokes because of the fact you can just add gas and not worry about ethanol.

Ethanol CAN be an issue with ANY gasoline powered engine.

I mix StaBil in my fuel cans (4 stroke and 2 stroke) when the run empty in September. That way it is in the tank the rest of fall/winter.

Everything starts up on the 2nd or 3rd pull in spring, including my 50 year old, 5 HP B&S rototiller.

If I can convince you to go back to 2 stroke, pay the money and buy a Stihl. Best 2 stroke engines on the market.
 
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Ethanol CAN be an issue with ANY gasoline powered engine.

I mix StaBil in my fuel cans (4 stroke and 2 stroke) when the run empty in September. That way it is in the tank the rest of fall/winter.

Everything starts up on the 2nd or 3rd pull in spring, including my 50 year old, 5 HP B&S rototiller.

If I can convince you to go back to 2 stroke, pay the money and buy a Stihl. Best 2 stroke engines on the market.
Mixing 2 stroke oil and ask just seems like to much of a pain. My dad's got a 2 stroke jet ski and that thing is always having some kind of problem. It recently didn't get the right amount of oil to fuel mixture because the oil pump died and it started knocking and just sounded like metal on metal. I know comparing it to a jet ski is probably not the best comparison but we replaced that one with a 4 stroke equivalent and its so much less work and more reliable. Just filler up and go. And yes I know most small engines (2 stroke) aren't direct oil injection. But my point is that they're fussy machines. Probably the reason there so much cheaper than their 4 stroke counter parts.

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Has more to do with a simpler construction (no cam or valves). They're also lighter and more powerful for a given weight. The reason why you're seeing more and more 4 cycle engines on hand held applications is due to ever tightening emissions regulations as opposed to reliability reasons.
 

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I just threw away the vacuum attachments, they take up lots of room to store and basically creating a dust storm thru the porous bag. I have never seen any pro landscaper vacuum anything
 
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Has more to do with a simpler construction (no cam or valves). They're also lighter and more powerful for a given weight. The reason why you're seeing more and more 4 cycle engines on hand held applications is due to ever tightening emissions regulations as opposed to reliability reasons.
But is it just me? 4 strokes seem to be less work to maintain, more reliable and run easily? That has been my experience. With a 2 stroke you need the correct mixture of oil/gas every time and ethanol blocker. And doesn't the oil gum everything up after a while? That's what I've heard but not sure if it's true. It just seems like a four-stroke would be cheaper in the long run.

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But is it just me? 4 strokes seem to be less work to maintain, more reliable and run easily? That has been my experience.

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More of a placebo because most 4 strokes are so new to the market that there are less issues to report, give the market time to saturate to the extent that 2 strokes have. Both use a very similar fuel delivery system so no advantage there. Eventually either would succumb to old fuel or contamination related starting/running issues.

The only real user benefit that occurs to me is it eliminates operator error in mixing oil/gas and having that old container sitting around for a long time for a piece of equipment that might get used only a couple times a year. People can instead use the same gas that goes into their mower which in general will be fresh.


Ethanol has no bias on engine design. Its actually not terrible to have it cut into your pump gas for your 2-cycle equipment because of its anti-knock properties which the (in general) higher operating RPM and compression of 2-cycle can benefit from.
 
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More of a placebo because most 4 strokes are so new to the market that there are less issues to report, give the market time to saturate to the extent that 2 strokes have. Both use a very similar fuel delivery system so no advantage there. Eventually either would succumb to old fuel or contamination related starting/running issues.

The only real user benefit that occurs to me is it eliminates operator error in mixing oil/gas and having that old container sitting around for a long time for a piece of equipment that might get used only a couple times a year. People can instead use the same gas that goes into their mower which in general will be fresh.


Ethanol has no bias on engine design. Its actually not terrible to have it cut into your pump gas for your 2-cycle equipment because of its anti-knock properties which the (in general) higher operating RPM and compression of 2-cycle can benefit from.
Pretty much the only maintenance of the 4 stroke that I've ever had to do is clean the carburetor or rebuild it change the fuel filter change the oil change the air filter. Other than that it's smooth sailing.

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But is it just me? 4 strokes seem to be less work to maintain, more reliable and run easily? That has been my experience. With a 2 stroke you need the correct mixture of oil/gas every time and ethanol blocker. And doesn't the oil gum everything up after a while? That's what I've heard but not sure if it's true. It just seems like a four-stroke would be cheaper in the long run.

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Old stale gas that's gone bad will cause problems regardless of 2 stroke or 4 stroke design. If anything, 2 stroke might be more reliable if you always use TruFuel. (premixed, ethanol free and stabilized)
 

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I have had a 2 stroke weed eater brand handheld for the past 20 years. It's had the carb cleaned once about 2 years ago. The muffler used to get all carboned up and would need the spark arrestor screen cleaned out with brake clean about every year. I finally just left it out of the muffler and it hasn't plugged up since. It even runs better without. I have always used the lowest octane gas and with ethanol. I usually add Stabil when I refill the premix container. So unless you have a whole lot of blowing to do just purchase a cheap one I think this one was around $70 20 years ago.
 

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If you are going to be using it to vacuum make sure you can pull the bag off easily and that the zipper on the bag goes around two sides.
I have a poulan that you have to loosen a screw(right above the muffler) to remove the bag, and it only opens about 3/4 of the length of the bottom. It is such a pain and time consuming that I gave up using it like a vacuum.
 
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But my point is that they're fussy machines.
But that is my point. The best quality (Stihl) small 2 strokes are NOT fussy !

Probably the reason there so much cheaper than their 4 stroke counter parts.

The are cheaper simply because they have a lot less part inside them.


4 stroke motor ALWAYS weigh more than 2 stroke motors.
 

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A few years back when my sons were teenagers they would use my lawn machines to make money cutting grass and doing yard work in our neighborhood. There was one cutting season when I lost 3 machines, two string trimmes and a backpack blower, within a two week period. All three machines just burned up. All three were Made by Echo. My first thought was that the boys ran the machines without two stroke oil in the fuel but that didn't appear to be the case and no one fessed up to that anyway. Took one of the machines to the local outdoor power equipment shop and the mechanic told me that crappy, low octane gas was the culprit. He said low octane gas with ethanol can actually cause air cooled motors to run hotter than they should and they'll just burn up prematurely. His suggestion was to use gas with a minimum octane of 89 and to only use premium two stroke oil with a fuel stablizer in it. I replaced my dead machines with ones from Red Max, Shindaiwa and Stihl. I now use premium fuel and premium oil and have had no problems whatsoever. I expect these machines to last for decades.

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Okay so I'm looking at getting a leaf blower/vacuum combo. I was looking at some of the Cub Cadet 4-stroke hand held versions (so I don't have to screw around with mixing 2-stroke oil). I'm not really sure what to buy because I want a reliable machine and one that could be repaired with replacement parts if something were to ever stop working on it. Basically I don't want a high maintenance fussy machine and something that's serviceable. I don't want a throw away machine.

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1) Ignore the marketing around MPH ratings and instead focus on CFM. CFM is what moves wet grass and leaves not MPH. MPH numbers can be easily manipulated via a restrictive nozzle (look up venturi effect).

Regardless of your final decision on equipment do the following....

2) Use ethanol free 89 octane or higher fuel with a fuel stabilizer additive in all outdoor air cooled equipment (2 and 4 cycle).
 
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I bought a Sthil I bought several years ago. At the time it was the best one according to all the ratings I found. Not sure if it still is or not. I think it is SH56 or something like that. I'm not at home now so I can't be sure.

If you have a small yard or you're only going to vac flower beds and such it is great. The tube does tend to come loose from vibration but I just put electrical tape where it connects and it stays tight.
 

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Mixing 2 stroke oil and ask just seems like to much of a pain. My dad's got a 2 stroke jet ski and that thing is always having some kind of problem. It recently didn't get the right amount of oil to fuel mixture because the oil pump died and it started knocking and just sounded like metal on metal.

If you use a calibrated oil measuring bottle, then two-stroke fuel is a non-issue. Measure the oil using the bottle, put it in the gas container, shake. End of story. If that is too difficult, then outdoor power equipment just might not be "your thing".

And from what you describe, the jet ski was a four stroke, not two. So I really don't see the two-stroke dis-advantage you are envisioning.
 
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Took one of the machines to the local outdoor power equipment shop and the mechanic told me that crappy, low octane gas was the culprit. He said low octane gas with ethanol can actually cause air cooled motors to run hotter than they should and they'll just burn up prematurely. His suggestion was to use gas with a minimum octane of 89 and to only use premium two stroke oil with a fuel stablizer in it.

I think your mechanic gave you only partially correct advice. An older motor jetted for alcohol free gas will run a little leaner with alcohol blended in. That will cause the motor to run a little hotter, possibly even enough to damage it when combined with fuel passages that are restricted by varnish and such, making the lean condition even worse.

I don't know for sure but I would expect more recent motors to run an air fuel ratio that already accounts for the alcohol content.

As far as I know, the octane rating does not make your engine run hotter or cooler. It makes your fuel ignite at a higher temperature, which helps prevent detonation from a hot spot on the piston top or something like that. So higher octane could help in that regard if your air fuel ratio is overly lean.

But just blindly telling you to always run 89 octane or higher isn't very good advice, in my opinion. If you buy a new gasoline powered tool and the manufacturer says 87 octane is OK, you can be pretty sure they have considered the fact that pretty much everybody is going to be running gas with alcohol. So buying higher octane gas than your tool calls for is just a waste of money in most cases. Same with your car, by the way.
 

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2) Use ethanol free 89 octane or higher fuel with a fuel stabilizer additive in all outdoor air cooled equipment (2 and 4 cycle).

Why ethanol free and why 89 or higher? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to understand what I'm missing.

Is this something the tool manufacturers are recommending when you buy one of their tools today?
 
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If you use a calibrated oil measuring bottle all of this is a non-issue. Measure the oil using the bottle, put it in the gas container, shake. End of story. If that is too difficult, then outdoor power equipment just might not be "your thing".
Dude that's kind of a jerk thing to say to someone you know nothing about. I only made this thread to talk about 2 cycle vs 4 cycle power equipment. I'm the type of person that does all of the research and question asking before running out and buying something. I won't be that guy that buys a shiny new toy just because it's listed on sale in a Sears catalog and then wonder why it doesn't perform as expected. I'd rather know what I'm getting into before I buy something, I'm more than capable of adding oil to fuel and purchasing any measuring equipment/tools I'd need. But honestly I could care less about what you think because you've got nothing positive to contribute. So I kindly ask you to go troll someone else's thread. Thanks and have a good one ;)

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Dude that's kind of a jerk thing to say to someone you know nothing about. I only made this thread to talk about 2 cycle vs 4 cycle power equipment.

What I know is that you think the mixing everyone else does as part of using a two-cycle is too much trouble, and it is also apparent that you don't know enough to accurately describe the design of the jet ski engine that failed. Given those two things, it does seem that you need to reduce your aspirations to something less technical. I'm sorry if that sounds rude, but it does seem like you would have the best results with an electric of some sort.
 
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I own 3 leaf blowers, though at 2 different houses. Horses for courses. The 56V Ego Li-ion battery one is great for lighter jobs, clearing walkways, valleys in roofs, driveway, etc. The backpack one is great for flower beds and other stuff, and certainly works well when leaves are dry. But the best investment I've made with that stuff is a big walk behind one. Oh it makes things go more quickly (though I do use it in conjunction with the backpack one).

Cub Cadet walk along leaf blower.
 

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What I know is that you think the mixing everyone else does as part of using a two-cycle is too much trouble, and it is also apparent that you don't know enough to accurately describe the design of the jet ski engine that failed. Given those two things, it does seem that you need to reduce your aspirations to something less technical. I'm sorry if that sounds rude, but it does seem like you would have the best results with an electric of some sort.
Clearly you don't get the fact that I don't give a sh*t. I'm here to learn and that's it. So stop trying to be so high and mighty. Never said I knew everything and this is the sole reason I'm researching power equipment.

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If you use a calibrated oil measuring bottle, then two-stroke fuel is a non-issue. Measure the oil using the bottle, put it in the gas container, shake. End of story. If that is too difficult, then outdoor power equipment just might not be "your thing".

And from what you describe, the jet ski was a four stroke, not two. So I really don't see the two-stroke dis-advantage you are envisioning.

2 stroke jet ski's have an oil injection pump on them that premixes the gas to the correct ratio for you. But they are prone to failure so most people disable them and run premix. I run premix and 91 octane with no ethanol in my jet ski as I have seen the effects of ethanol on equipment and I had no urge to re-jet it. I do run it in my NA vehicles and lawn mower though that were designed for it.

Most any lawn equipment will now specifically say on it whether 2 or 4 stroke 10% ethanol max.

My experience with Ethanol comes from running E-85 in air cooled Honda go karts that I repair everyday 5 months in the summer.

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2 stroke jet ski's have an oil injection pump on them that premixes the gas to the correct ratio for you. But they are prone to failure so most people disable them and run premix. I run premix and 91 octane with no ethanol in my jet ski as I have seen the effects of ethanol on equipment and I had no urge to re-jet it. I do run it in my NA vehicles and lawn mower though that were designed for it.

Most any lawn equipment will now specifically say on it whether 2 or 4 stroke 10% ethanol max.

My experience with Ethanol comes from running E-85 in air cooled Honda go karts that I repair everyday 5 months in the summer.

Brian
Yeah I was just going off my experience from the jet ski idk if the oil gas mixture was the issue (oil pump failure). I'm going off what my dad's friend (a marine mechanic) said when he came to look at it. Never had the chance to take it apart but he said judging by the noise (metal on metal friction sounded like not enough lubrication) it was making he said fixing it probably wouldn't be worth it. All I remember was thinking... "Darn this thing is just nothing but problems and high maintenance lol" maybe it was just that jet ski but my first thought was replace with a normal 4 stroke and never look back and ever since then we don't have to worry about much. Sure I could learn to mix oil and gas in a heart beat but I've never had to do it before so the guy a couple posts above me doesn't represent my skills at all lmao. But idk some people think they're descendants of God or some ****. But screw em they're stupid if they think their so much better and usually know it all's. Here to learn that's it. Not here to **** internet **** of some ***** know it all.

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