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dogdog

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The T8 LED I just (literally yesterday) installed is compatible with both ballast and ballast-less..... removing the ballast installation is just as easy as snip the wires and connect the Hot-Neutral to one end and the other doesn't matter which end is hot or neutral. (on my version of the T8, it is double end powered) . A lot of the reviews on Amazon where others compare the power consumption of the LEDs installed with ballast and ballast-less, the ballast-less ones use less energy than the same tube setup with a ballast. I went for ballast-less setup because my ballast was bad from start.... installation is simple , just basic electricity knowledge. If you gather everything in advance, the installation from start to finish is about 15-20 minutes each fixture.

One thing though.... if this is inside home use, I would suggest the 4000k ones more yellow and less harsh to the eye. the 5000k and 6000k ones are good for shops..... yea too late for me.


But you have to keep track of what type of LED tubes up buy..... Make sure if you ever get a replacement, get the right one.... that is...

Single end ones that have hot and neutral on one end of the LED tube and you'll have to use those Non Shunted sockets on one end and a dummy socket on the other.

or

Dual-end (double-end) ones that use hot wire on one end and neutral on the other end of the other socket.....





This is one of the Reviews...


I was surprised to find out that this Hyperikon LED tube consumes 42 watts/hour, as measured by Kill-A-Watt. Then I rewired and was relief to find the power went down to 18W as claimed. So even though the bulb works with the existing ballast in the flourescent light fixture, there's no power saving unless rewired. The light output is the same in both cases. Somebody please double check my finding.

There's a label on the tube that says it will work even if the ballast stops working. That's not true for me neither. My ballast is having trouble and it shutts off randomly sometimes. It shuts the LED tube down with it.

About wiring instruction, I got wrong one like many people reported, where the before and after diagrams are the same. I got it to work following Karin's photo, and I also made a small change to it as shown with red lines on my picture. The reason for the change is because my the light fixture has 2 wires coming out from each end. It's safe to combine them as they are connected internally anyways. If you rather not combine them, then remember to put a wire nut to cap off unused wire to prevent shock.

The LED tube will allow reverse polarity, meaning you can flip the tube left to right or right to left after rewiring, without damaging it. Just DON'T wire both hot and neutral to the same end of the tube.
 
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^ I too just installed 30 hyperikons. Direct wire, dual ends, 4k, 2200 lumen. Cut out the ballasts. Bought a few extra bulbs so I have color matching spares in the future (LED aging excepted)

Didnt look at any instructions, so cant comment on the accuracy. ;)
 

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Have 276 bulbs to replace
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say whaaattttt?
you will see a nice savings on your power bill! :thumbup:
I converted my house to all LED bulbs and tubes and my power bill dropped around 25%.
 
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:shocking:
say whaaattttt?
you will see a nice savings on your power bill! :thumbup:
I converted my house to all LED bulbs and tubes and my power bill dropped around 25%.

My machine shop.
We started in 1995 with 400w hps fixtures, not the greatest light and used lots of energy, over time converted those to metal halide, better light but still 400w, then switched to 6 T8 bulb fluorescents, even better light and less energy, now LED's should be even better light and less energy.
If these bulbs last as long as advertised they should out last me.

Been converting the house too. I like the looks and energy saving of LED.
 

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where at in Wisconsin?
Our plant in Northern Illinois has been converting both office (done) and shop. About the same scenario as you described. The offices are LED panel.The shop is currently BIG cfl's. and we are looking a a couple of LED fixture models.
PS - your avatar keeps winking at me......:thumbup:
 
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Thanks for the info.
Going to try the ballest-less single end 5000k.
There for a shop. Have 276 bulbs to replace.

Hey Cougar,
Before you get started, here's a thought for you...
Check the ballast in your 6 lamp T8 fixtures. It's very common for that fixture to have what is called a "high lumen" ballast. That is a ballast that pushes more current to the fluorescent lamp to make it brighter than normal. It's common because those fixtures are typically hung higher than a standard fixture. The ballast will have an "H" or "HL" on the label.
If you bypass those ballasts and install standard 2000 lumen LED tubes, it's quite possible that you will actually lower the light level.
Good luck,
CD
 
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where at in Wisconsin?
Our plant in Northern Illinois has been converting both office (done) and shop. About the same scenario as you described. The offices are LED panel.The shop is currently BIG cfl's. and we are looking a a couple of LED fixture models.
PS - your avatar keeps winking at me......:thumbup:

Up around Oshkosh.
He winks at everyone.:)

Hey Cougar,
Before you get started, here's a thought for you...
Check the ballast in your 6 lamp T8 fixtures. It's very common for that fixture to have what is called a "high lumen" ballast. That is a ballast that pushes more current to the fluorescent lamp to make it brighter than normal. It's common because those fixtures are typically hung higher than a standard fixture. The ballast will have an "H" or "HL" on the label.
If you bypass those ballasts and install standard 2000 lumen LED tubes, it's quite possible that you will actually lower the light level.
Good luck,
CD

Hope that's not the case.
May find out this week if we get time to install some.
 
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I will be using the ballast bypass units. Found some nice ones on 1000bulbs, about $8.50 each.

When it comes time for me to swap my bulbs out I'll be using either the 1000bulbs or Hyperikon bulbs. Not sure if anyone has any recommendations towards either. the 1000bulbs are a little cheaper.
 

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Honestly if I was to upgrade to LED using just bulbs, I would go out and find some old industrial T12 light fixtures, most likely for free. Then remove the ballasts and use the fixture, would be the most sturdy setup out there. My T8 fixtures bend if you look at them wrong.
 

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When it comes time for me to swap my bulbs out I'll be using either the 1000bulbs or Hyperikon bulbs. Not sure if anyone has any recommendations towards either. the 1000bulbs are a little cheaper.

I did hyperikon. I had some questions and found them to be responsive (just called them, got a tech rep on the phone). Buying via amazon gives some protection and free 2 day shipping too. (if you have prime)
 

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I did hyperikon. I had some questions and found them to be responsive (just called them, got a tech rep on the phone). Buying via amazon gives some protection and free 2 day shipping too. (if you have prime)

Did you get the clear or frosted lens? Have any pictures of them?
 

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I'm a little late to the party but I just finished converting a bunch of my 4 ft lights to LED. I paid $119 with free shipping for 25 tubes, ordered them on Saturday and they were here on Monday.

I took the ballasts out and got the tubes that have power at one end, neutral at the other. Pretty easy to rewire and I'm very happy with how the project turned out. They claim the lights will last 21 years and if so they will surely outlast me.

I don't suppose there is anybody who would want the old ballasts? :lol:
I suppose I'll just put them in the trash a couple at a time.
 

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The T8 LED I just (literally yesterday) installed is compatible with both ballast and ballast-less..... removing the ballast installation is just as easy as snip the wires and connect the Hot-Neutral to one end and the other doesn't matter which end is hot or neutral. (on my version of the T8, it is double end powered) . A lot of the reviews on Amazon where others compare the power consumption of the LEDs installed with ballast and ballast-less, the ballast-less ones use less energy than the same tube setup with a ballast. I went for ballast-less setup because my ballast was bad from start.... installation is simple , just basic electricity knowledge. If you gather everything in advance, the installation from start to finish is about 15-20 minutes each fixture.

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link to tubes ?
 

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link to tubes ?

I got them from amazon... just search for hyperikon
company is in Connecticut somewhere... so I got a pack of 12....

Just be careful when selecting the ones you are buying....

there is the single end ones cheaper, double end ones a little more and then on the same page that you order from of each.... there is the selection for temperature 5000K default lower temperature more yellow are a little more.

this is the single end one, requires that Non-Shunted tombstone socket... you can choose 1, 4, 12 ,24... and the color temp on this same page... default is 5000K

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OMAIG2S/?tag=atomicindus08-20


This is the double end ones... same as above, only differences is it does not require Non-Shunted tombstone socket you apply Neutral wire on one end and hot wire on the other end... doesn't matter which.... if you go ballast less.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SSNPI80/?tag=atomicindus08-20


this is the dual end one that is ballast ballast-less compatible...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00S5OA1U2/?tag=atomicindus08-20

so far so good installed ballast less on a 3 tube fixture that had the fancy looking but bad ballast.... sorry can't take a good picture of it the camera on the phone seems to want to filter the stronger lights out to get a focused picture.


if you are looking for cheaper I think costco have some tubes for sale also... for $18 for 2 tubes .... I don't remember if it was ballast or ballast less installation....
 
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