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LED Lighting for your Garage

coolreed

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Anyone have a heads up on new LED Lighting options availble for a home or garage? I am interested in an LED Lighting System that would replace my existing Florescent Lighting. One that would offer reduced operating costs as well as improved brightness.
 
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Still a few years away from being reliable and affordable.T8 flourescent is the way to stay until the LED technology improves considerably.
 

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Somewhere I ran across LED T-8 replacement bulbs online. WAY too expensive but I think we are slmost at the point of no return on LED. It's great for accent lighting and task lighting. I use them in the garage for undercabinet and my jeep art sign.



OK! I looked it up. $50 for a 4' T8 LED replacement that will probably never need to be replaced.
http://www.creativelightings.com/LED-SMD-T8-Tube-Light-4-foot-300LED-17W-p/cl-smdt8-4-dw17w300-ul.htm

I might get some LED spots for my work bench though.

Amazon has several dimmable choices under $30 and I only need 2.

http://www.amazon.com/LEDwholesalers-Dimmable-PAR38-Standard-1322WH-DM/dp/B0052J5FPE/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1349971412&sr=8-10&keywords=led+flood+light+bulbs
 

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I don't think there are any particular reliability issues with LED fixtures. They are more expensive, but they have longer lifespans and the prices are coming down.

I've never used this place but they send me catalogs all the time: http://www.e-conolight.com/ They have a variety of LED light fixtures, at least you can get an idea of what's available out there.

There are also companies selling LED replacements for fluorescent tubes, you can do a google search to see a number of them and what they cost.
 

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About a year ago,I looked extensively at the T-8 peplacement lamps-and concluded that there isn't a true apples to apples LED T-8 tube yet.All of the LED lamps aimed the light in one direction-straight down.Comparing the lumen values between the flourescent T-8s and the LEDs,there is quite a difference-IMHO,since there is virtually no light hitting the reflector and getting redistributed throughout the photometric pattern of the fixture,the result will be bright spots directly under the fixture,but alot of poorly lit areas between fixtures. In short-you're going to need more fixtures in a denser pattern for the LED tubes to light an area as well as fewer flourescent tubes in fewer fitures will.
 

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Somewhere I ran across LED T-8 replacement bulbs online. WAY too expensive but I think we are slmost at the point of no return on LED. It's great for accent lighting and task lighting. I use them in the garage for undercabinet and my jeep art sign.



OK! I looked it up. $50 for a 4' T8 LED replacement that will probably never need to be replaced.
http://www.creativelightings.com/LED-SMD-T8-Tube-Light-4-foot-300LED-17W-p/cl-smdt8-4-dw17w300-ul.htm

Make sure you pay attention to the Lumens (light output) rating of these LED replacement tubes.

The ones you linked to are 1500-1600 lumens depending on the light color. Typical T8's are in the 2800-3000 lumen range. So those LED tubes put out almost 1/2 the light of a standard T8.

This is how they trick people into thinking that LED is much more efficient. Their 17W LED tubes put out 1550 lumens, a standard 32W T8 put out 2800 lumens. If you do the math, you'll find that the efficiency is nearly identical.
 

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This is the LED task light that I have and it is one very bright unit. You cannot look into the beams..

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Note that it says CREE on the box...
 

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I am converting my recesed lighting in house over to LED....cheapest decent LED lights I have found are at Home Depot branded EcoSource that are selling for $22.99. I have bought Sylvania's but they don't seem to function well by dimmer switch and are $39.99 each.

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I you want LEDs get the ones where you swap out the ballast in the fixture for a different power supply to power the LEDs directly. Expensive but shouldn't have any problems starting in the winter and no mercury hazard.
 

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Dumb question probably, but I am unfamiliar with LED lights. Do they get real hot? Say compared to T8's? And are they safe in cold weather, like the winter teens here in Ohio????
 

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LED's typically do not get hot. The power supply can get warm depending on design. Basically - same as T8 florescent.

Yes, they work well in cold weather. But so do T8's.
 

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Dumb question probably, but I am unfamiliar with LED lights. Do they get real hot? Say compared to T8's? And are they safe in cold weather, like the winter teens here in Ohio????

Leds make almost no heat, can run in any temperatures you'd be in without a problem as well. You should read up a bit, there's some really amazing things coming out. I have replacement cree cargo lights in my truck that put out ~800 lumens using less than half the power of the stock lights. They make foglights cheaper than HID foglights that make MORE light than either as well.. but it's still an expensive technology.

They need CV/CC power supplies to live a long life. Factor in that every LED bulb has inside of it:
AC-DC converter, most likely a latching power supply fed from a full bridge rectifier
power supply conditioning with 'new style' technology using transistors to supplement capacitors.
Transistor based constant voltage / constant current output per led (sometimes in strings, phillips 3-cree based flood light has 3 separate supplies, 1 for each led.

There's more to the cost than just the LED itself. New style computer-generated free-form reflectors are FAR more efficient at focusing light than older style reflectors. Factor in latest generation LEDS have even better light output, and you'll see lots of engineering goes into these things.. especially US-brand ones.

But, they'll never burnout. The electronics are rated very well and shouldn't die before the actual led..

As technology advances, they'll only get cheaper.. but for now, fluorescent isn't too far behind LED, and is cheaper depending on how you look at it.

Goodluck!
 

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LED's typically do not get hot. The power supply can get warm depending on design. Basically - same as T8 florescent.

Yes, they work well in cold weather. But so do T8's.

LED's sure do get hot, not as hot as an incandescent bulb though.

The whole bottom half of this bulb is heatsink.

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But, they'll never burnout. The electronics are rated very well and shouldn't die before the actual led..

I find that hard to believe given the huge number of CFL bulbs I've had that have stopped working long, long, long before their rated lifetime, usually because something goes wrong with the ballast. Just like everything else the more expensive LED bulbs should last longer, but I still would have a lot of trouble spending $40 on one bulb, even if it should last damn near forever...
 

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Does anyone know if they make LED flood lamps rated for external use? (I'm referring to just the bulb that screws into a standard light socket rather than an entire new fixture)At Home Depot, I see CFLs rated for exterior use, but I don't see LEDs where the packaging addresses the external use.
 
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I am hoping that there will be new LED Arrays for replacement of existing florescent fixtures. Ones that will offer brighter light, lower current draw, longer life and be economicle. Three out of four would not be bad either.

But so far I do not see alot out there. :3gears:
 

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I am hoping that there will be new LED Arrays for replacement of existing florescent fixtures. Ones that will offer brighter light, lower current draw, longer life and be economicle. Three out of four would not be bad either.

But so far I do not see alot out there. :3gears:

Takes time...
I'm the guy who has about 80, 100w bulbs stockpiled in my basement because I was not a fan of CFL's...I should say "Early" CFL's...when doing the temporary lighting in my garage on a Whim I bought a 4 pack of 100w equivalent Daylight CFL's...they were cheap, I want to say 2.00 for the box...gotta admit, I'm pleasantly suprised. Granted, cold weather isnt here quite yet, but so far so good. Of course, the two Flood type CFL's that I have in the kitchen and take 5 mins to warm up just wont die...and I'm too cheap to garbage them for no reason...
I just bought an LED Motion light...dunno how it will work out, but its worth a try...
 
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I dont like the 60 hz flicker. Do all of them have it? I bought some LED nightlights from home depot and they flicker

That is very odd.. I have a number of LED night lights and they are all rock steady and I am very aware / sensitive of 60 Hz flicker of flourescent lights...
 

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That is very odd.. I have a number of LED night lights and they are all rock steady and I am very aware / sensitive of 60 Hz flicker of flourescent lights...

If you stare at it, you dont see it. If youre walking by, or moving your head you see it. Like a car with LED tail lights driving by
 

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I replaced the 4 spots in our kitchen. They were 75W incandescent. The replacement ones only use 14W of energy, and produce as much light as those they replaced.

There's no flicker, no hum. As far as heat, almost none. Heat is wasted energy. You can put your hand on these after they've been on for a while, and they're barely warm. Again, only 14W of energy, and MOST of it is light.

We've had friends and family over and asked if they noticed anything different about the kitchen lighting. Nobody guessed they were LED. All were impressed with the quality of the lighting, and several have since bought the same bulbs.

Next month will be a year since they were installed. Back then, they cost $38 each. Now the price has dropped to $24.97 each. 5 year warranty, but estimated life is 23 years.

Pics and details here: http://2manytoyz.com/LEDKitchen.html
 

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Does anyone know if they make LED flood lamps rated for external use? (I'm referring to just the bulb that screws into a standard light socket rather than an entire new fixture)At Home Depot, I see CFLs rated for exterior use, but I don't see LEDs where the packaging addresses the external use.

External (or outdoor) rated CFLs are coated so if the bulb breaks the hazardous waste (mercury) inside the bulb doesn't leak all over. That isn't an issue for LED bulbs. That's the way I understand it anyway.
 

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The T8 LED bulbs we sell require the fixture to be opened and the balast bypassed. They run from 110VAC directly. Even at $25/bulb, it's hard to justify the cost when compared to fluorescents.

I've heard of T-8 bulbs that can run with a ballast, but I have to think you lose a lot in the way of efficiency with this method.

I would also be wary of any "30 year" life claims. How many consumer electronics devices last that long? The actual LED elements themselves might last forever, but the associated electronics that are built into the bulbs that make them work won't.

In 30 years, they'll probably have better lighting technlogy anyway and the MFG of the LED bulb will be long gone.
 

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I dont like the 60 hz flicker. Do all of them have it? I bought some LED nightlights from home depot and they flicker

It's not the LED that's causing the flicker, it's the powersupply. Those nightlights have a very poor power supply which is why you see flickering.
 

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LED's sure do get hot, not as hot as an incandescent bulb though.

The whole bottom half of this bulb is heatsink.

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It's the power supply that creates the heat, not the LED but that's just symantics.

Yes, like I mentioned LED fixtures do produce heat. Just way less than an incandescent and about the same as a flourescent.

The reason that heatsink is so large is due to a number of factors including: retrofit design, poor ability for the powersupply to run when hot, and poor inefficient powersupply design.
 

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It's the power supply that creates the heat, not the LED but that's just symantics.

The LEDs themselves do create quite a bit of heat in a really small spot - they MUST be attached to a heat sink or they will burn themselves out within seconds.
 

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The reason that heatsink is so large is due to a number of factors including: retrofit design, poor ability for the powersupply to run when hot, and poor inefficient powersupply design.

Until we get dedicated fixtures...we will be dealing with products that dont quite live up to the expectations placed on them. Correctly designed reflectors, properly located power supplies, etc... Look at CFL's...by in large, a great idea and product, but stuff that CFL (Ballast mainly) in an enclosed fixture and voila, lucky to get 6 months out of that bulb. Same technology in 4' fixtures and while we've only been in this house for 6 years now, and I installed 4' fixtures all over the basement and use em all the time, I can count on one hand how many times i've changed a T8 bulb.

Update to my LED Flood Light...neighbor just got one at Lowes...Impressive. I did pull the trigger on the Home Depot version, but SWMBO doesnt want it to be a motion light anymore, so now I've got to find a non-motion version.
 

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The LEDs themselves do create quite a bit of heat in a really small spot - they MUST be attached to a heat sink or they will burn themselves out within seconds.

Certain types of LED's, yes that is the case. Especially the 1W and 5W LED's. The LED's you see in those retrofit T8 packages are not that type and do not have heat-sinks. They use a surface mount LED.

Heat is relative. Yes, the LED's and the power supplies do produce heat. But, way less heat than most other fixtures. Heat generated is a direct measure of efficiency. The more efficient a light fixture is, the less heat it will produce as a byproduct.
 

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Until we get dedicated fixtures...we will be dealing with products that dont quite live up to the expectations placed on them. Correctly designed reflectors, properly located power supplies, etc... Look at CFL's...by in large, a great idea and product, but stuff that CFL (Ballast mainly) in an enclosed fixture and voila, lucky to get 6 months out of that bulb. Same technology in 4' fixtures and while we've only been in this house for 6 years now, and I installed 4' fixtures all over the basement and use em all the time, I can count on one hand how many times i've changed a T8 bulb.

100% agree.

Except they do make dedicated fixtures nowadays. Problem is that they are VERY expensive.
 

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Please explain little more on CREE?

I was told that CREE had a patent on the specific LED Chip design that allowed them to project more light on lower current. Anyway, when comparing lights made with CREE chips to the others, the CREE won out. There's probably a lot more to the story, but this is what I was told and so far have not been disappointed with CREE LEDs..
 

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I have just (last night) revived this http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004QZJVHI/?tag=atomicindustr-21

got it to test the idea for replacing the lights in the garage. Really impressed with the light they put out and the lack of heat.

As has been said you are getting really good bright light for only 10w of power. I am thinking of getting a few more of these now and running these in and around the garage.
 

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I found out that with the T-8's, you need to change from the old T-12 ballast to the T-8Electronic ballast...If not the T-8 will not fire up completely...omo...

Thanks,
Dennis
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I have just (last night) revived this http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004QZJVHI/?tag=atomicindustr-21

got it to test the idea for replacing the lights in the garage. Really impressed with the light they put out and the lack of heat.

As has been said you are getting really good bright light for only 10w of power. I am thinking of getting a few more of these now and running these in and around the garage.

I have seen a lot of people using these and saying they put out a lot of lot for their size and power usage.
I'm really interested on this works out for you and please try and get some pictures if you can.

Here's a video of one of these models.

I was thinking about putting some up for outside lighting around the house.
 

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A word on the flickering - some led's only regulate your AC power down to 12v (or 3v sometimes) and run on half of the power sinewave. In other words they flicker but it's only noticable with movement. Some led's actually use an invertor to convert the power to DC - no flicker. the only way to know if they'll flicker or not seems to be to try them though as nobody seems to specify how they rectify their power.
 
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