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Viriiguy

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Hello everyone,

I am in the middle of purchasing a nice over sized 2 car garage, with a house...
The garage will need some lighting installed, as all it has atm are the two garage door openers lights. I was thinking of energy efficient lighting and wondering if anyone was using LED lights to illuminate their garages?

Thanks,
Randy
 
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Some people have. LED technology is still pretty new and isn't really cost-effective at this point for lighting larger areas. I would go with some T8 fixtures.
 

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Right now, IMHO, LEDs are great for flashlights, traffic signals and drag strip Christmas tree bulbs. T8 flo lights are still the best buy in terms of cost and power use, for me anyway.
 

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Right now, IMHO, LEDs are great for flashlights, traffic signals and drag strip Christmas tree bulbs. T8 flo lights are still the best buy in terms of cost and power use, for me anyway.

I'll also have to agree for the most part. LED Traffic lights in the northeast sometimes don't generate enough heat to melt away snow and ice so the builbs end up being covered. For low mainenance costs LED's are great if the LED fixtures are being used several hours a day or night.

The cost of LED bulbs and fixtures are still too pricey to be used in a limited use environment like a garage. Now, if you plan on spending 8 hrs a day, several days a week, then you may want to consider LED's as an option.

Modern T-8 fixtures with a decent quality bulb will give you 20,000 to 30,000 hrs of light with a decent efficiency rating.
 
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T8 is a lot more economical, but if you do it right, LED is not terribly more expensive. I did mine in LED, bought salvaged from ebay for about $12/bulb. Considering the flickering of cold fluorescent drives me nuts, it was a small price to pay. I like how the light is warm and not that harsh blue that first gen LEDs were.
 

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I try to stay away from Fluros if I can. I know fluros are cheap and bright.. But they are not energy efficient by any means and they give me headaches.

MrWalsh, do you remember the brand you got? I am not worried about spending a few more dollars on my lights, if it will prevent those Fluro headaches!! Besides, this is to be my man cave, my play land, the spot where I am comfortable... And dammit.. I deserve it! :)

Now, let me go read some of those links.. Thanks guys.

*edit* It looks like there are actually a lot of options for viable LED lights in the garage and office. As I said, when it comes to MY comfort I do not care about the costs... But Fluros are not in my future if I can help it :) It looks like I have a couple local lighting shops that carry some of the brands in those threads... So I guess my next step is to go and see them in person!
 
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Up until recently, I had rather poor experiences with LED lighting. Great for task lights (spot), but poor choice for general lighting.

But new versions keep coming out, and at the new house, I needed to replace 4 lights in the kitchen. Home Depot had LED replacements for $38 each. Yea, expensive. But I kept the receipt in case they were junk. I bought one to test initially, then went back and bought 3 more.

These are EXCELLENT. Only 14 Watts of energy each, yet they each produce the equivalent of a 75W incandescent.

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The image doesn't do them justice. I like the color. Not the almost blue light some LEDs produce. The lens has a built-in diffuser, which does a nice job of evenly spreading the light.

4 of these light up the kitchen brightly. 6 might be enough for the average 2 car garage.

When family and guests have come over, they couldn't believe how much light, and the quality, these produce for the low 14W per fixture power consumption. A coworker recently replaced all these type of lights throughout his home after stopping by our house.

Zero regrets. I could easily get inspired enough to remove the garage fluorescents, and install these. Someday, when the prices come down a bit.

There's a half second delay from turning on the light switch, and these starting. No warm up. No hum. No flicker.
 
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Ohhhh Those are nice!!!


They ARE dimmable!!! I am going to buy a few for the inside of the house to try out!!! If I like them, then to the garage!!!

Thank you!
 

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lol thats funny. i we bought the same lights but got the daylight ones as we dislike the yellowish ones. that brand was the only one at HD that carried the daylight ones. we like them a lot but the only thing that bugs me is the 1-2sec turn on time.
 

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I try to stay away from Fluros if I can. I know fluros are cheap and bright.. But they are not energy efficient by any means and they give me headaches.

Yes, this can be a problem. Just note that the old t-12 bulbs+mag ballasts are not anywhere near the same as new T8 + electronic ballasts. If you are sensitive to the 60 cycle AC "flicker" in older flourecents, then T8 may not give you the same issues. Those ballasts operate at very high frequencies.
http://www.mge.com/business/saving/detail/t8.htm

"T8 Fluorescent Lamps and Electronic Ballasts To cut energy costs, upgrade your fluorescent lamps and ballasts. You'll get a higher quality of light at similar light levels and reduce power consumption up to 40%. Savings in energy costs produce a typical payback of two to three years.
Features

  • Energy savings (up to 40% less energy)
  • Better color rendering
  • Cooler operation
  • Quieter operation
  • Lightweight design
  • No flicker during start-up or operation
For years, commercial lighting has been dominated by the common 1.5-inch diameter (T12) cool-white fluorescent lamps and transformer-type magnetic ballasts. This older technology is fast becoming obsolete. High-efficiency 1-inch (T8) lamps—teamed up with electronic ballasts—are setting new standards for low power consumption, low life-cycle cost and illumination that more closely resembles natural light.
Energy efficient

The 32-watt T8 lamps produce similar levels of light as the older 40-watt T12 bulbs. The slim profile of the T8 lamps enables its gases and rare-earth phosphors to function more efficiently. T8 lamps are available in 4-foot and 8-foot lengths.
Superior color

The light from T8 lamps has a higher "color rendering index," or CRI, than standard T12s. The higher CRI makes objects and surfaces in a room appear more like they would under natural light.
Efficient electronic ballasts

All fluorescent lamps require ballasts to provide the right voltage and current. Electronic ballasts use high-frequency, solid-state circuitry instead of heavy copper windings to perform this task. As a result, electronic ballasts produce more light for each watt, run cooler and last longer. Electronic ballasts that feature high power factor ratings and low-harmonic distortion are available.
No flicker or hum

Some people are sensitive to the rapid flicker and the soft hum or buzz of common fluorescent lights. Electronic ballasts nearly eliminate both the flicker and the hum and are less than half the weight of magnetic ballasts. A retrofit of electronic ballasts could eliminate nearly six pounds from a typical four-lamp fixture.
Who saves the most?

If you have traditional cool-white T12 lamps, standard electromagnetic ballasts and rooms requiring continuous lighting, you will save the most. Under these conditions, instant-start electronic ballasts with T8 lamps produce the greatest savings in energy consumption. For intermittent lighting, a rapid-start ballast, which consumes slightly more power, may be used to maintain lamp life."
 

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Viriiguy - They were made by LightingScience. They're very similar to those shown by 2manytoyz, mine are just an older model. Mine originally had been sold to Starbucks and the location closed before the bulbs could go in. Go figure.
 
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You will have good luck with the color on any of the ecosmart bulbs. I have several in the house. I also have a few of the Philips A19 bulbs (yellow 3 section bulbs) and they also work very well.

If you are serious about LED fixtures and money is no object, check out the Cree LR6 DR-1000:

http://www.polar-ray.com/Cree-LR6-DR1000_p_195.html

or the BelaLED high bay fixtures.

The EcoSmart recessed lights are either made by Cree, or at least the light engine/driver is. They look REALLY nice. You can see they have the same lens as the Cree if you compare the two.

The EcoSmarts are slightly warmer than the Sylvania sold by Lowes. I've had good luck with both, but I prefer the slightly warmer temperature of the EcoSmarts. They're also $10 cheaper. But, their 4" recessed are $10 more than the Sylvania 4". The Sylvanias attach with spring wire clips that goes into the recessed housings and hold better, the EcoSmarts have a simple spring push clip which locks it in reasonably well, but vibrations like heavy walking cause them to work loose.

Both are dimmable, I've dimmed them fine with the Lutron CFL/LED dimmers, however the EcoSmarts dim down MUCH farther than the Sylvania's, which I really need. The EcoSmart's do get a faint bit of buzzing on the Insteon dimmers, I have not tried them on the Lutrons.
 

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I try not to get too "LED nerd" when talking LED's. I have been following LED lighting technology for several years now and love the Cree or Cree based products. They were one of the first (IMHO) that were a quality light for an acceptable price that were available to the masses. Lighting Science Group has also been a player but not really until the were available in Home Depot as the Ecosmart Branded LED bulbs.

I have Cree LR6 modules in the kitchen since June 2008, zero issues.

There are several CR6 (Ecosmart) modules that are in different rooms for about 1.5 years or so and they have all been reliable.

I have Several Ecosmart PAR38 90 watt and 125 watt replacement LED bulbs outside in spot light fixtures.

I have 10 LMR-4 evaluation modules that I have retrofitted 6 into existing fixtures.

I also have 60 watt and 75 watt Philips bulbs that have performed well.

You really can't go wrong with a quality bulb. You do get what you pay for. Keep that in mind.

As pointed out above, I would still try a modern T8 fixture as a test, to see if the flicker that ails you is there. You might be surprised.

If you are looking to buy LED bulbs make sure to call around. Different areas have different power company subsidies to lower the price on the LED stuff. Some have none at all.

For example: in PA the Ecosmart bulbs were $50 when the first came out in the local HD. I happened to find out through the wonders of the internet that in Boston they were about $20 for the exact same bulb. It just so happened that we were soon going to Salem (the wife loves the Halloween stuff) and a local Boston area HD stop was in order. I saved a bunch. I understand this is kind of extreme but if you know people in different areas it might save you a few bucks.

YMMV

Edit: I almost forgot. There is now (has been for a few weeks ) a Cree 4" retrofit module similar to the 6" (CR6) at the local HD. I have two of them in the Kitchen over the sink. They are also quite impressive for a 4" light. I believe they have 575 lumens which close if not the same output of the (CR6 Ecosmart 6")

The only downside to using LED's in cans in a garage is the amount of cans and wiring you will need to do and install to get even lighting with no hot spots. That's why I mentioned the BetaLED High bay modules in my earlier post. Those bad boys are pricey....
 
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We actually have the "Health Friendly" Fluros at my work... They still bug me. I find I do not get the headaches as often, but I still do. I also feel a LOT more fatigued when I work in my office, versus out of it. The Cree lights do not look bad, I may have to order a couple to check out.

I am not sure why everyone thinks they are so expensive!! $122 for a fixture and a bulb is really not bad. Sure you can buy a Incandescent pot light that looks similar for 20 bucks.. But it will look like it cost 20 bucks.. Trust me I know. Our new house has about $30k dollars worth of custom cabinets... and cheap *** pot lights in the ceiling.

They look like the cheapest fixtures they could buy. Considering I will be eventually replacing them anyway... $122 if I am reading it right, is not bad!

No I don't imagine I will be putting in any Fluros... I would go incandescent first.

Thanks gang! Keep it coming!


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As for needing a lot of pot lights, you may be right... However, I am planning of some directed lighting as well. First, I need to get my hands on a few to try out.. Well first I need to finish closing on the house :)
 

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Regarding viriguy....you could put in an incanescent light and tell him it was a fluorescent and he would still get headaches......

With that said....LED's are great for low voltage applications....but I do not think they are the 'holy grail' of lighting. A t5 lamp is more effecient than any current LED light.

When you factor in purchase cost....LED's are not a good investement for general lighting.
 
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Regarding viriguy....you could put in an incanescent light and tell him it was a fluorescent and he would still get headaches......


You know, you do not know me or anything about me. I do not appreciate your comment. It is widely known that not everyone does well with Fluros... I happen to be one of those.
 

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You know, you do not know me or anything about me. I do not appreciate your comment. It is widely known that not everyone does well with Fluros... I happen to be one of those.

Welcome to Garage Journal BTW. You'll find that you'll get I wide variety of opinions here.

I know another person that has issues with fluorescent lamps and used LED's instead of CFL's and tubes in his home and has had success. YMMV but do what you think is best for you. (Obviously):beer:
 
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Gatchel, no forum is free from such activity... As for the lights, We spent the afternoon at the new house with the contractor.. So we took the opportunity to evaluate the lighting in the house..

Is it almost all pot lights, with floods in them. I will be upgrading and adding several more pot lights over the next year. We have an appointment Monday to meet with a Lighting rep at one of the local showplaces.. Hopefully he can show us some viable replacements for all those flood lights.

Thanks!
 

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Gatchel, no forum is free from such activity... As for the lights, We spent the afternoon at the new house with the contractor.. So we took the opportunity to evaluate the lighting in the house..

Is it almost all pot lights, with floods in them. I will be upgrading and adding several more pot lights over the next year. We have an appointment Monday to meet with a Lighting rep at one of the local showplaces.. Hopefully he can show us some viable replacements for all those flood lights.

Thanks!

You should look at Vu1's ESL lights for your cans. They have been available on and off at Lowes online for the last month. They are supposed to be available in large quantities inside of the stores next month. 1/2 the price of LEDs, no mercury, and better dimming than CFLs:

http://www.jetsongreen.com/2011/11/vu1-esl-r30-light-bulb-lowes.html
 

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You should look at Vu1's ESL lights for your cans. They have been available on and off at Lowes online for the last month. They are supposed to be available in large quantities inside of the stores next month. 1/2 the price of LEDs, no mercury, and better dimming than CFLs:

http://www.jetsongreen.com/2011/11/vu1-esl-r30-light-bulb-lowes.html

I have seen these. The price makes them attractive at first. They are less efficient than an LED module though. 600 lumens for $15.00 and 19 watts consumption. They are estimated to last 11,000 hrs, also. I'm sure the price will come down but for less power usage(10.5watts), I'll take my chances with LED's at 50,000 hrs and $45 or less if you buy them right...

Definitely a cool technology, though. When they are $2 to $5 then they have a fight.

Also, if you sit too close to the light bulb, will it make you go blind eventually?:bitchslap
 
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