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LED with Motion Sensor-Odd Question

Umclemrbig

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So-I have a closet with a motion sensor switch and I have replaced the light bulbs with LEDS. When off, the lights flicker. So-I get a switch that is appropriate for LEDS. Same thing. There is no ground to the switch (a funky rewire)from the cable and I know that these switches use the ground. I have tried to ground to the switch and that doesnt work. Thoughts? I really want LEDs because it is 14 feet to the light fixture. Thanks
 
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The triac in the switch leaks, they all do. With an old style bulb it is not visible.
 
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The triac in the switch leaks, they all do. With an old style bulb it is not visible.

I think that answers a question that I have. I have a old X-10 setup to control the lanterns on the front of my detached garage. With incandescent bulbs, everything was fine for many years. Recently, I replaced the incandescents with LEDs and the X-10 wouldn't control the lanterns any more.

I added a keyless fixture inside the garage, wired in parallel with the lanterns, and put a 15 watt incandescent in it. Now everything comes on and goes off with the X-10, but when the garage is closed up, and dark, during the day, I can see a slight glow on the filament of the incandescent.




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Any electronic switch or dimmer that doesn't have a neutral connection relies on current flowing through the bulb to complete the circuit. That wasn't a big deal with the filament on an incandescent bulb--a watt or two wasn't enough to heat up the filament enough to make it light up. But with a CFL or LED bulb either the bulb lights erratically while the switch is off or else the whole thing doesn't work.

That's why NEC now requires a neutral in the switch box. New electronic switches designed with a neutral connection (not to be confused with the ground screw!) will use the neutral to complete the circuit instead of going through the bulb.

When a neutral is not available, sticking with an incandescent bulb may be the best choice.

If this light is in a closet and on a motion sensor switch, presumably it won’t be on that many minutes per day. Was there another concern besides energy savings? If the bulb is hard to get to, this could be a good application for a “heavy duty” or “long life” bulb so you don’t have to change it as often.

Or use an LED bulb but loose the motion senesor switch and just use an old fashioned toggle switch--but then you do need to remember to turn it off yourself!
 
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Jefe

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I had this issue with my "dual bright" motion sensing garage sconces. Had to go back to incandescent. When one died recently i noticed a new trend in the big box bulb aisle: Halogen lights in A style format. They advertise slightly more efficiency than incandescent and still work with the motion sensor circuit. I'll keep using these until i feel like upgrading the motion sensors to LED compatible.
 
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