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torqueman2002

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The Foley-Belsaw grinders look a lot like the Craftsman 1/3hp and 1/2hp block grinders. Anyone know if they came from the same manufacturer?

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http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgindex/detail.aspx?id=86
Belsaw Machinery Co. of Missouri was the first in a succession of related companies. Belsaw dates back to 1936, and possibly a bit earlier. It merged with Foley Manufacturing Co. to become Foley-Belsaw Co.in 1983, and subsequently split into Belsaw Co. and Foley-United sometime afterwards.

At one time, Belsaw was owned by DeVleig-Bullard, along with several other companies, including Powermatic Machine Co. and Performax Products Corp.. When DeVlieg-Bullard was forced to sell all its holdings, Belsaw, Powermatic and Performax were all purchased by WMH (Walter Meier Holding) Co. In the 1990s some Belsaw machines were sold under the Powermatic label.

Belsaw's products were marketed under the Belsaw name, and some were also sold through through Sears, Roebuck & Co. under the Craftsman name.

Belsaw Machinery Co. published a quarterly magazine called "Belsaw Bulletin."
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Summary http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgindex/detail.aspx?id=2048

In 1932 General Motors bought Packard Electric Co., of Warren Ohio, (which had been founded in 1890, and spun off the Packard Motor Car Co. in 1902). In 1943, Sunlight Electric's small motor production was consolidated with Packard. It was later renamed Packard Electric Division-General Motors Corporation (Warren Ohio).

Sunlight and Packard built motors and grinders for Sears under Craftsman source code 115.

This firm had a Canadian subsidiary, Packard Electric Co., Ltd.

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Jack, Belsaw was Mod no. prefix 306 for Sears; these are 257 and 397 IIR. I don't know of a Mod no. for Foley.

257: Allegretti & Co & Paramount; Paramount (now Poulan), who continued the Delco model Block Grinders

397: Delco Products Corp. (Motors and grinders)
 

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Price drop! This is the 115 pre-block that is shown a few pages back. Dropped from $75 to $60.

http://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/4495035863.html


I've seen that one quite a few times. It's been for sale for a while now and the price keeps dropping. Started out at $100.

If anyone in the Cleveland area is after a 1/3HP one, I'm thinking of selling mine. I just don't use it since I got a 1/2HP one.
 

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Another one in Flint.
http://flint.craigslist.org/tls/4497980172.html

$20 Guy says it's a 1/4 HP block. No photos yet. He will be at the Armada Flea Market tomorrow with it. Couldn't get a model number from him. Says it has no light but flat top and metal case.

OK, he's got a photo now. Kind of rough. No shields.

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This is just to bring this post to the top to show the photo that is now included.

So how many more do you guys need me to beat the bushes for?
 
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CM workbench to rotate through some of those grinders, you multi-grinder owners have.

Doesn't the bench need a CM Block grinder? Which one would go best?

Three of them, that's which one. What a great price. You would have trouble buying wood and hardware to build one for $50.
 

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I've seen that one quite a few times. It's been for sale for a while now and the price keeps dropping. Started out at $100.

If anyone in the Cleveland area is after a 1/3HP one, I'm thinking of selling mine. I just don't use it since I got a 1/2HP one.

Post a picture or two. I think cagullett1 could be interested.
 
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Post a picture or two. I think cagullett1 could be interested.

Pics please! I'm trying to expand the block head presence in North Texas! All of my buddies have been buying their first houses over the past year or two, and they are all acquiring new tools. Nothing makes me happier than having them ask me my opinion on a particular item. These grinders are one of my favorite referrals!
 

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1 HP

It's arrived!

And it's a beast!
 

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Great find! Congrats!

Pics of it side by side w/ a 1/2 HP and a UMD!

Guess it will be a user, since I just finished assembling it.

Will get photos. What's a UMD, a can of beer?

How about a can of pop and a kitten for comparison?

And did any of our members get the one in Wisconsin?
 

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Well see, I'm with you. I always thought a UMD was a kitten too. Awesome block grinder, ferocious kitty! Congrats on your fine score.
 

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Bill, that is awesome. It did not take long after I talked to you to find that 1hp. Joe is going to call me (about the 1/3hp) the next time he heads down to our area. It is awesome finding tools made decades ago that are good as new, and in this case unused. Congrats.
 
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Well see, I'm with you. I always thought a UMD was a kitten too. Awesome block grinder, ferocious kitty! Congrats on your fine score.

Funny thing, I had to carefully read the instructions to figure out how to put it together. Despite how many I have, never had to put one together.

Plugged i in and put an LED bulb in it, switched it on.....and the lights dimmed all the way to Seattle!

Makes a swooshing sound like a jet spooling up.

Slightly frightening power.

And it takes forever to slow down and stop.

Bill
Comparison with a 1/2 HP later.
 
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You just cut the value in half!

To others, but not to me. Had to decide if it would be an object admired on a shelf, or or a tool used for it's intended purpose.

One benefit that I got, was the sublime experience of being the one who gets to put it together initially. That was worth something to me.

When I was young, I wanted to do photography. And my dream was to have a Nikon. there was a guy who collected them and had several. They just sat on a shelf. I thought that was a shame.

I still feel that way.

Even museum quality items should be used. And if they are that great of an object, more of them should be created.

I can't imagine having a rare or vintage or collectable tool or car or airplane or boat or any other object, without actually getting to use it.

Ordinary, run of the mill things must be used, that is what they are for. But extraordinary things call out even more for use. The well balanced tool is just a hunk of metal until it gives a user the wonderful experience that it can.

To me, things on a shelf have no value. So I just increased it's value exponentially.

When unpacking it I noticed that the paper things were deteriorating. Bugs had eaten part of the paper disc labels on the heels and a tag on the cord was unreadable. The label on the front of the machine had some spots under the plastic, around the edge had discolored. And the box, a big plus for collectors, was all taped up by the shipper, and when the tape was removed, it detracted from the value. Plus, there was a little very light surface rust on the threads and nuts and washers on the end of the shafts.

All these things add up. Then you, as a collector, have to decide if you want to leave it in "as found" condition, or try to improve it.

And I had to think about when it would have maximum collector value. Certainly not now. It's only 35 to 45 years old. Another 50 years would really make a difference.

The monetary value was not what interested me anyway. I wanted the user experience. And the fun of taking a virgin and making it mine.

There's probably a few more virgins out there. Keep looking, you collectors.

There is a question I have to ask myself. If there was another user example of this grinder available, would I have opened this and put it together?

Probably not.

In fact, I tried to get the one in Wisc.

I even offered the seller more money than he was asking. But it didn't work.

And I just increased the value of any other pristine ones still out there.

Bill
 
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