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They're not as **** as a drill press, but some of the old table saws are cool.

I just picked up (Free off CL) a Sears Craftsman 103.22180 9" tilting arbor with the open cast iron table extension, stamped steel extension and a 3/4HP Sears motor, on a steel stand. Complete with fence, miter gauge Portalign and all manuals.

Photos when I get it set up, but this is what they look like:

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So here is a question.

What are the largest and smallest blades to use in this 9" saw?

And what kinds of blades would you get in the larger and smaller sizes?

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Here is the documentation that came with the saw:
 

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I have a rare 9" Craftsman 103.20003. There are only 3 or 4 listed in the data base at OWWM. I also have a 1948 Craftsman 113.27520 which is my main saw and a late 50s craftsman "100" which I am nearly finished restoring. As well I have a little 8" 103.22610 which I love. I use it with a fine kerf blade and I removed the wings so its nice and compact. It is my mini bench saw.

Here is the 9"

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Bill, my 10" Craftsman looks similar to that, but the body base is more a "gold" tone and it's on its own stand. Belonged to my late step-father. Same rip fence as yours there.
I believe the motor on mine is a bit bigger.... not sure.
Decent blades are spendy... I believe the last one I picked up was about $30, but it went through 3/4" plywood like butter.
Buried right now. When I can dig it out I'll post a photo or two.

Have to add:
That's quite the score there for a freebie! With all kinds of goodies too!
 
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I have a rare 9" Craftsman 103.20003. There are only 3 or 4 listed in the data base at OWWM. I also have a 1948 Craftsman 113.27520 which is my main saw and a late 50s craftsman "100" which I am nearly finished restoring. As well I have a little 8" 103.22610 which I love. I use it with a fine kerf blade and I removed the wings so its nice and compact. It is my mini bench saw.

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Beautiful restoration Adrian,

The blade guard listed for my saw is a 9-21046. Would other blade guard/splitter combinations be able to be used?

And there are a number of 8 1/4" blades that came with the saw. What's the biggest blade you would use on a 9" saw?

Plus there is a big circular aluminum plate that came with it. What is that for?

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If you're the only one that's going to be using it, and a 10" is free, and fits, I'd go for it. Note the max height and maybe mark it. I'd be reluctant to do that in case someone else ever uses it (you have a friend come help with a project, or you die and a relative picks it up, etc).

I have an older circular saw that's some size smaller than current standard (6 3/4?). It could be made to fit a 7, but 6.5 was easier to grab and go. Or whatever the sizes were.
 

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With 3/4 HP you should have enough power to use a 9" blade. I wouldn't use a 10" blade with that - I have a 10" saw with a 1HP motor and it's working really hard to cut 2" thick hardwood.

I had a smaller saw before - 1/2 HP, 8" blade, I ran 7-1/4" skilsaw blades for almost everything.
 

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Bill,
I run a 3/4 HP Craftsman that I believe to be the original with 2" arbor pulley and a 2 1/4" on the motor. It will bog down if I force bigger dimensional piece of material through it so I treat her like a nice old machine and listen to the tone and feel and I have very little trouble ripping some fairly solid woods. Again I use finesse or else I can run into trouble.

There are 9" blades available, Freud makes one. I have also used those 7 1/4" Skilsaw blades as someone else suggested.

I looked through your photos and could not see the metal disc but I am going to take a stab and suggest that it may be a sanding plate. People used to ( and presumably still do) use the table saw as a disc sander when space or economics was an issue.

My guard does not have a part number that I can see but they are quite difficult to find.



Good luck running your new 9" and let use know how it goes!
 

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I'd start by running a good thing kerf 7 1/4" circular saw blade with proper tooth count for what you are doing. If you end up with to little depth of cut, especially at 90 degrees, you are probably beyond the capability of the saw. That's what I run in my 8" that is a minature 10" saw 90% of the time.
 

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It doesn't have a blade guard or splitter. Is it possible to fabricate or repurpose from another model?


I wonder the same thing, I'd like to add one on mine that picked this up yesterday morning for $50. 8" craftsman table saw with custom built dust cabinet, square d switch, 2 extension wings, fence, a walker turner miter gauge, original manual, and rear rollers.

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It's a pretty cool dust collection cabinet. It was full of sawdust before I vacuumed it out.

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This one is slightly smaller than my other craftsman 10", but the accessories make it much better and slightly more compact to fit in my garage. Now I need to part out or sell the 10" saw.

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Resurrecting this thread because it deserves to be!

The past few months has been transitory for me for Table saws. My primary T Saw was a pair of Craftsman 100 10" table saws I made a stand for and bolted side by side. I had one wing mounted, and left the other off as it made the combined saws too big to store.

This was it:

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This allowed me to have one setup for cutting and one for dado blades

Prior to those two, I had one of them and a Delta home-craft mated together. When I got the second 100 I rebuilt it for the two 100's

This was the Delta:

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All three got sold in the past two months or so.

I'd finally concluded I didn't need an oversize T Saw as I use a guide and my Skill saw for plywood, and all I really ever did with the big T saw was rip long cuts. Too many other options for most other things a T Saw can be used for, so I sold them. (I'd had this argument with myself for several years...)

Once gone I was down to just one tiny 1936 ish Sears Companion 7" Tilting table saw, which I had got while buying a vise that was bolted to its bench! and I'd used IT for most ripping the past few years, rather than drag out the big guy. Fence boards other rips cuts, it all worked! I even did a few with it tilted!

Most recently I used it and a small mitering, sliding chop saw to build a pair of camp gear boxes out of old oak pallet wood. I even made a finger joint fixture and finger jointed the corners of the boxes! (First time I'd ever done any finger jointing)

This was it setup for getting the crooked as hell Oak pallet boards straight. (needs a LONG fence and that was a bed frame angle...)

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The drawback to the little table was NOT its size, but the tilting table vs a tilting arbor, the Arbor was 1/2" (means adapting most available blades...) and the arbor was SHORT! and I could not use either of my wobble dados on it! I also could not use my Delta Tenoning jig on it, as the guide groove are too narrow adn not deep enough without modification...

I'd seen a couple of the "new" (1937-41....) Tilting arbor Atlas made T saws on GJ, and liked them, They had a good rep as heavy duty, and they had a cool micrometer adjusting Fence I liked the idea of. The 8} wasn't too big either! So I've been watching for one.

Yesterday I found one on CL. contacted the guy, and made the 5 hour round trip this AM to go get it! It was missing the motor, a miter, the riving plate and guard, and the motor mount was broken. but for $20 it was a go!

Here it is:

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The motor mount is an easy fix with a Door hinge bolted to the motor and mount remnant, which I could tell from pics before I made the drive.

After I got home I discover I had the correct miter for this saw in "the collection!" :rocker:

The delta Tenon jig also fits, and once I move the guide about 1/4" it clears the blade.

I can make the riving plate, and I should be able to find a blade guard that I can put on the plate. I may even add the anti kickback jaws! (I never had a saw until the 1936 companion with any blade guard or riving plate! :ninja: )

More Pics of the "new" (~80 years old) saw:


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The miter - It does not have the factory angle set knob, but who is gripping! :cool:

The delta Tenon jig:

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This is my Craftsman 113, bought it new a long time ago. I don't use the saw enough these days to justify the space it takes. Kinda hate to see it go, but have it on Craigs now.
 

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May not be old enough for the thread, but the 113 series craftsman saws are so versatile they can still be really great saws.

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I instantly fell in love with it! I added the first wing pictured for $10 on CL.
Watching craigslist for a better fence, I found a second saw for $50. Then found a third that had fallen off a truck and motor, trunnion and stand were severely damaged - but it had a aluminum wings. FREE.

I combined parts from all three saws, cleaned all up - with a total investment of $60 and now have a Great Saw.
Wouldn't trade it for a new one.
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Currently have two. Neither are in use, but I hope they will soon.

One is a 40s Darra James Model 95 - 12" tilting saw. Not running only because I don't have 220 yet.

The other is an older Delta gray line 8" tilt - I was hoping to turn this into a dedicated Dado station, but floorspace and a recent router table acquisition is making that sound less likely now.
 

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Very heavy machine
Have not run it yet

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Very old homebuilt tablesaw with old 2hp 150lb wagner motor. 14" blade installed.


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Picked this Delta 34-500 8" table saw made in 1950 for $25 last year. Unfortunately the seller couldn't find the fence rails, lost somewhere in a 30x60 pole barn stuffed to the ceiling with machinery from his machine shop business that he closed down during Covid. It cleaned up nicely and runs great. Still deciding on building a small scale Biesemeyer fence or replicating the original style rails.
 

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Here's my c.1928 Hutchinson "Handy Hutch" table saw/jointer ( 12" saw, 6"jointer) .

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I got it from a fellow in Maryland, and a friend was kind enough to bring it to Ohio. Hutchinson was based in Norristown, PA, and eventually partnered with Porter-Cable around 1929 or so. It's a tilt top saw with a stationary arbor and a table that rises and falls. It's a very precise saw, and has power to spare from the Delco repulsion start motor. The guarding and dust collection is shop built, and fairly effective. it's nice to have a saw that plows through white oak!

-James Huston
 

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$60 FB MP purchase today, early 1920's J.B. Wallace "Bench Saw". Uncommon machine, I only found 1 other online at V-M.org. No belts, "gear drive". Ads from V-M.org. DSC05281.JPGwa5.jpgDSC05275.JPGDSC05276.JPGwal1.jpgwa44 (3).jpg

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In 2008 I had to travel to Idaho on a job. We had to hire some local guys, and one of them was telling me about how he made a lowball bid on a large lot of "old junky machinery" at a local industrial auction, and won the lot. He said there were two old table saws in the lot, and he didn't know what to do with them. I asked if I could take a look. He said not only could I look, but if I wanted, I could have one for free. We went to his house, walked into his garage, and immediately I made out a Unisaw sitting in the gloom. I couldn't help myself, I began to rant & rave on how good this saw was, and how strong the motor. Luckily I didn't call it a Delta Unisaw, and the original switch plate was gone, so it didn't say Unisaw on it. He noticed my excitement and upped the price to $35. I promptly shut up and paid the man. It's a '65 Unisaw with the original motor.

Here it is sitting in my horse trailer, ready to go.
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The lack of sawdust on the inside led me to believe it hadn't seen much use.

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Not much rust on the table.

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Torquey motor. 1.5 H.P., 110 VAC

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Restored, with my Biesemeyer fence that I took off my old Rockwell T/A saw.

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JD Wallace Saw part 2, check wiring, make sure lube systems work, under bell inspection then a start up. With the tag reading "1401 West Jackson Blvd" info at V-M.ORG indicates this saw being built between 1919 and 9-25.
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Pretty neat little saws here. Gota say, that unisaw gets a "YOU ****". I really admire the Craftsman line with the pedestal stands. Rare to see on now days. Have to ask though, is the saw stable? Looks like from the pics that I see that it would be tippy? Haven't known anyone to ask how they are in real work applications. What years did they make the pedestal machines?
 

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This is the last post about the Wallace till i fingernail scrape the beige paint off and repaint the black.
I did find some new info about it, the GE motor is encased and has a 30 minute duty cycle because the heat factor. With the factory address (Jackson Blvd) on the tag It was prolly built between 1919 and 1925. Thanks V-M.org.
I made a bushing for a 7 1/4" Diablo thin kerf blade and made a video of it rippen n crosscuttin.
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A P-K saw with 1hp motor. Looking for 2 3/4" 12 3/8" table insert.
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19teens Novo Engine Co. / Beach Manufacturing Co. flat belt driven contractors saw rig I'm working on this winter. The 1 I have came with jointer but not the boring attachment.
Short progress video.
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