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signcrafter

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Cliff notes if you don't want to read the whole post. Want a recommendation for the most capable scan tool for my budget of 500-1000, but 1000 is at the VERY high end and want to stick around 500 if possible. Want engine and abs codes and live data and bidirectional controls and abs bleeding. More details below.

I know this has been covered a million times but I need some advice and hoping I can list my needs/wants and someone can help narrow down what is best for me. Currently I have a cheap innova that is pretty much a code reader/clearer. I have a few extra bucks coming in that I wasn't really expecting so I'm thinking about picking up a decent scan tool. I can't afford the 1000 and up ones although I would love to have their ability at times. So far I have been able to use my cheapo to read the codes and then between other testing and research been able to diagnose most issues. But there have been times where live data or the ability to turn things on/off or ABS issues. Another big thing for me would be the ability to bleed ABS.

I'm hoping to find a middle ground here, something that is fairly comprehensive but yet affordable for the home mechanic. My budget would be up to a 1000 but that would be on the VERY high end of things. As in I would like to be around 500 if possible because I have some other tools I would like to pick up. I do all my own work on my cars as well as family and friends. So I have been running into more and more issues where I could have used a more advanced scan tool and the way vehicles are going it looks like you won't be able to do a lot on vehicles without a good scan tool. I work on Chevys and Fords mainly but also have close family with Honda and one with a VW. So I would like one that works on as many different manufacturers as possible. I'm just a home mechanic but with the help of the internet and GJ members I have been able to diagnose some pretty "major" issues and have been running into more and more issues where it would have been nice to do more in depth diagnostics with a good scan tool.

My needs are a scan tool that will work on domestic, asain, and euro if possible. I'd like something that can do more in depth readings, live data, able to turn things on/off if possible(bi directional control I think it's called), Read ABS codes, Bleed the ABS system, etc. In reality I would love a scan tool that is capable of doing it all but I know that isn't in my budget. I try to do all repairs at home so trying to get the scanner with the greatest capability for the budget I have. Another thing is updates, I can't afford hundreds of dollars a year to update it when needed. Also I could probably go a few years without updating since family members only update cars every few years. I'm not against buying used but I'm scared to buy a lemon since if it breaks it's pretty much a paper weight.

I've been trying to search my options and what's out there. So far it looks like autel, launch, or autoenginuity are the best options for my wants, but I'm open to anything. Can anyone help me narrow down what the best options are for what I need/want?

AE is just a basic scan tool for 250 bucks and then you add OE coverage for about 200 bucks a manufacturer. I'm not against using a laptop but a dedicated scan tool would be nice. Also updates are cheap and seems like they have good coverage and are adding stuff all the time.

Autel and Launch I don't know much about. Look like decent scanners for the money. But there are so many different ones and hard to tell what each one does.
 
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To get the capabilities you're requiring, you will need to go up to around the $1200 range.

Maxidas DS708 by Autel: Excellent Euro and Asian coverage with plenty of bidirectional controls and system resets. We have one in the shop and it has been great. Also very good on American cars.

Auto Enginuity: I have the Pro bundle on a lap top and use this most of the time with diag work. Plenty of depth and coverage for American and Asian. Euro option available.

OTC Genisys or Encore: I've used the Genisys years ago and its OK but the new Encore (which I have not seen, but read about) seems to be a better platform with Euro coverage. Not sure the price.

Shop around and see who has the best deal on what you need.

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To get the capabilities you're requiring, you will need to go up to around the $1200 range.

Maxidas DS708 by Autel: Excellent Euro and Asian coverage with plenty of bidirectional controls and system resets. We have one in the shop and it has been great. Also very good on American cars.

Auto Enginuity: I have the Pro bundle on a lap top and use this most of the time with diag work. Plenty of depth and coverage for American and Asian. Euro option available.

OTC Genisys or Encore: I've used the Genisys years ago and its OK but the new Encore (which I have not seen, but read about) seems to be a better platform with Euro coverage. Not sure the price.

Shop around and see who has the best deal on what you need.

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Tarheelgarage
Still spin'n wrenches in Dixieland

I really wish I could spend 1200 just to know I have something that will do everything I will ever need but I can't spend that much. So if I wanted to spend 500-750 on a scan tool what is my best bang for my buck? What would a scanner in this price range be able to do, and what wouldn't it do? Just seems funny to me that there isn't a scanner geared towards the serious home mechanic for 500-1000 bucks. Seems like it's the 100 dollar cheapo scanners or the 1000+ dollar "pro" scanners. Would you guys take a chance buying a used scanner?

I'm kind of leaning towards AE after reading your response. The only reason being I can get the domestic bundle for 800 and then add extra OE coverage as needed for about 200 bucks for each manufacturer. Probably could even get family members to chip in for the different OE coverage if I have AE.
 

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I bought Auto Enginuity and havent once found something it would not do that I needed it to do. I bought the basic scanner and the Ford OEM software because I do a lot of work on Powerstroke diesels.
 

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I can't speak for the other scanners, and this reference is kind of dated - regarding scanners with bi directional (full scan tool, not just a code reader).. looking at options like a snap on modis/solus, or even going back to the old brick scanners. Updates. It's not a buy it and done purchase. You can do a lot with a modis or solus (had exp with modis) and unfortunately haven't used the others. They usually run outside of your budget, with the solus coming out years ago I'm not sure how long in the tooth modis are becoming. Sometimes you can pick up a good deal with extra probes, adapters, key cards etc. As with most anything else it's sort of like going down the rabbit hole. Things constantly upgrade, updates are constantly available. Sometimes you can skip the update, sometimes one upgrade is needed to get to the next and some are crucial. Software updates and add on probes, connectors, key cards etc get spendy.

It would be nice if there was a middle ground, but you basically have code readers and full fledged bi directional scan tools. There is a LOT to using a scan tool properly. Most average joe mechanics don't understand the graph data and there are entire courses devoted to operating a pro scan tool - how to use it, when to use it, what it can do, how to get the crucial data needed, how to interpret said data.. that the average joe consumer just won't grasp. You have to consider that a scanner for most home mechanics is a cool 'tool'. The other half of using a scan tool is being proficient in it, which is why most of your diagnostic techs are L1 certified. No easy feat and way beyond the average joe. Think of it like a fancy stethoscope. It aids the doctor, but the reason it works is the 8-10yrs of med school they completed. You can't just pick up a stethoscope and cat scan machine and say now I are a doctor.

I was going to suggest a code reader by launch (I have one of their older ones) for a couple hundred but it's not a specialty tool and isn't bi directional. It's an enhanced obd2 reader with graph views and readiness monitor checks (which I used every day). It was lighter than a modis, it was affordable and did what I needed it to. Plus I could leave the modis in the shop for our diag tech rather than tying it up resetting readiness monitors, so it fit the bill I needed it for. Good luck in your searches for a scanner - from a glance that auto enginuity one doesn't look half bad.
 

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You can find a used Modis in your price range, but you will need to update the software. If it is well used, it is likely has broken/missing probes/adapters. Both of those cost $$$ !
 

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That budget really isn't enough to get what you want in a stand alone machine.
You should consider a pass thru diagnostic link then use the laptop to install software to suit your application. Its less plug and play but more powerful IF you have the capability

Our work units are Mycanic or Kvaser. The Mycanic is more what you need just do some research on the options you are actually going to need
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You can find a used Modis in your price range, but you will need to update the software. If it is well used, it is likely has broken/missing probes/adapters. Both of those cost $$$ !

I don't know for sure but I think snap on is pretty proud of their updates and charges a lot for them.

Since we've established that I can't get what I want in my price range what can I get for my budget? I guess if I can't get bidirectional controls it won't be the end of the world right? Just means I won't be able to operate things from the scan tool. I'm thinking live data would be more important so I can at least see what is going on right? I've never needed to bleed the abs system but it's something that would be nice to have the ability to if I ever do need it when replacing brake lines or what not.

I was just looking around at AE's website some more and with the OE enhanced bundles they offer bidirectional controls and live data and some even have key programming and ABS bleeding. Looks like the honda is a little lacking but I can live with that I guess. The updates are pretty cheap. And another plus for AE is I can buy OE enhanced coverage as needed. So I could get domestic for 800 bucks and then when I need honda I can just pay the 230 bucks and get that then. It will cost a little more in the long run but I just can't afford the 1200 for the proline or maxidas.
 
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You can use a Harbor freight 20% off coupon and get the Maxidas for $880.00
you get free updates and won't need to buy additional software.

http://www.harborfreight.com/maxidas-automotive-diagnostic-and-analysis-system-62385.html

I figured for sure you wouldn't be able to use a 20% off coupon.

I just searched autel's website and found this about the updates, for sure not free! 800 dollars a year for updates! Might as well just throw the scan tool away and buy a new one!

How much are updates for the DS708?
The MaxiDAS DS708 comes with one year of FREE updates and technical support. After the first year, it will cost $799 for another year subscription for updates and technical support.
 

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I would look used. I recently picked up a Solus Pro updated to 14.2 for $300. Deals are out there just be patient.

Also I haven't seen many if any scan tools with us/euro/Asian coverage and bidirectional controls that don't require expensive updates. Unless your working on brand new stuff having the latest update may not be of utmost importance.
 
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Cliff notes if you don't want to read the whole post. Want a recommendation for the most capable scan tool for my budget of 500-1000, but 1000 is at the VERY high end and want to stick around 500 if possible. Want engine and abs codes and live data and bidirectional controls and abs bleeding. More details below.

I know this has been covered a million times but I need some advice and hoping I can list my needs/wants and someone can help narrow down what is best for me. Currently I have a cheap innova that is pretty much a code reader/clearer. I have a few extra bucks coming in that I wasn't really expecting so I'm thinking about picking up a decent scan tool. I can't afford the 1000 and up ones although I would love to have their ability at times. So far I have been able to use my cheapo to read the codes and then between other testing and research been able to diagnose most issues. But there have been times where live data or the ability to turn things on/off or ABS issues. Another big thing for me would be the ability to bleed ABS.

I'm hoping to find a middle ground here, something that is fairly comprehensive but yet affordable for the home mechanic. My budget would be up to a 1000 but that would be on the VERY high end of things. As in I would like to be around 500 if possible because I have some other tools I would like to pick up. I do all my own work on my cars as well as family and friends. So I have been running into more and more issues where I could have used a more advanced scan tool and the way vehicles are going it looks like you won't be able to do a lot on vehicles without a good scan tool. I work on Chevys and Fords mainly but also have close family with Honda and one with a VW. So I would like one that works on as many different manufacturers as possible. I'm just a home mechanic but with the help of the internet and GJ members I have been able to diagnose some pretty "major" issues and have been running into more and more issues where it would have been nice to do more in depth diagnostics with a good scan tool.

My needs are a scan tool that will work on domestic, asain, and euro if possible. I'd like something that can do more in depth readings, live data, able to turn things on/off if possible(bi directional control I think it's called), Read ABS codes, Bleed the ABS system, etc. In reality I would love a scan tool that is capable of doing it all but I know that isn't in my budget. I try to do all repairs at home so trying to get the scanner with the greatest capability for the budget I have. Another thing is updates, I can't afford hundreds of dollars a year to update it when needed. Also I could probably go a few years without updating since family members only update cars every few years. I'm not against buying used but I'm scared to buy a lemon since if it breaks it's pretty much a paper weight.

I've been trying to search my options and what's out there. So far it looks like autel, launch, or autoenginuity are the best options for my wants, but I'm open to anything. Can anyone help me narrow down what the best options are for what I need/want?

AE is just a basic scan tool for 250 bucks and then you add OE coverage for about 200 bucks a manufacturer. I'm not against using a laptop but a dedicated scan tool would be nice. Also updates are cheap and seems like they have good coverage and are adding stuff all the time.

Autel and Launch I don't know much about. Look like decent scanners for the money. But there are so many different ones and hard to tell what each one does.
As a Cornwell dealer, I work with my customers to get them what they want at a great price and unbeatable financing. We have access to several scan tools and code readers
and a good dealer will let you try before you buy...And then give you help with warranty, registration and updates etc. Let someone who knows help you.
 

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While not everyone has them, take a look at the Autel DS905. Its the new model superceding the DS708 as the top performer from Autel. They do still support the 708 however.
 

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I figured for sure you wouldn't be able to use a 20% off coupon.

I just searched autel's website and found this about the updates, for sure not free! 800 dollars a year for updates! Might as well just throw the scan tool away and buy a new one!

How much are updates for the DS708?
The MaxiDAS DS708 comes with one year of FREE updates and technical support. After the first year, it will cost $799 for another year subscription for updates and technical support.

I read somewhere that with the latest PC Suite the updates are free even after the 1 year, maybe someone can add more about this?

Even if you need to pay you can skip a few years and get everything you missed at that time for the same price.
 

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Yeah, this has been covered many times...

Once again, I'll suggest a used OTC Genysis. It depends on what model years you are working on. You can get a used unit with operating system 4.0 and coverage through 2008 in the $600-$800 range on ebay and Craigslist. Just be sure that any unit you buy has the operating system and vehicle software you need, as buying the software upgrades separately will quickly run into serious money.
 
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I read somewhere that with the latest PC Suite the updates are free even after the 1 year, maybe someone can add more about this?

Even if you need to pay you can skip a few years and get everything you missed at that time for the same price.

Here is the autel site FAQ page and the 3rd question down says 800 a year for updates, http://www.autel.us/Service and Support/faq.htm. I think it's crazy that updates for one year cost as much as the tool itself. I don't need updates all the time because I don't work on brand new vehicles usually but I think most scan tools add features and ability to do more on older cars and fixes to any software issues with most updates. So I could skip a few years in updates. But why would anyone even update their scanner when for 20 bucks more you can just buy a new one? Seems silly to me.

Looks like the maxidas is the best bang for the buck for a stand alone scan tool. AE is still looking nice and updates are a LOT cheaper then autel.

Out of AE and maxidas which one has the best programming features? As in programming key fobs and modules and other stuff?
 
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Yeah, this has been covered many times...

Once again, I'll suggest a used OTC Genysis. It depends on what model years you are working on. You can get a used unit with operating system 4.0 and coverage through 2008 in the $600-$800 range on ebay and Craigslist. Just be sure that any unit you buy has the operating system and vehicle software you need, as buying the software upgrades separately will quickly run into serious money.

What would be the advantage of buying a used OTC for 800 that only goes to 2008 when you can get a brand new maxidas that will do current vehicles for 20 bucks more? Not being a smart *** but just wondering if the OTC is that much better of a scan tool?
 

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The Autel is without question the best value. Yes the upgrades are expensive but you only need to upgrade if you buy next years car model. You're good from 2014 back to forever it would seem to me. If you're not in business and if it covers the cars in your family there is no need to upgrade. The autoenginuity is fine but you need to buy it and a laptop and you have to move around a laptop. The Autel is its own computer. There is no doubt here it's the Autel.
 
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The Autel is without question the best value. Yes the upgrades are expensive but you only need to upgrade if you buy next years car model. You're good from 2014 back to forever it would seem to me. If you're not in business then if it covers the cars in your family there is no need to upgrade. The autoenginuity is fine but you need to buy it and a laptop and you have to move around a laptop. The Autel is its own computer. There is no doubt here it's the Autel.

I sold my OTC Genysis when I bought the Maxidas, OTC updates cost more than the DS780.
The coverage an the MD780 is terrific, just did update and only did what I might ever see. I don't need Rolls Royce or Maybach and other exotics that it covers. Update is easy by plugging the SD card into USB and selecting what you want and it does the rest. I did read that Autel isn't enforcing the 1 year limit on upgrades, anyone else know if this is accurate?
 

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A autel ds708 is going to be your best all around scanner for the price just can be slow at times
Agreed, it is a nice hand-held all around scanner.

But, like you - my issue is the rate the tool updates ('... can be slow ...'). I read it receives data updates from the ECM, ... every 30 seconds.

I cannot live with that. You know how much happens in a vehicle in 30 seconds.

I am leaning towards AutoEnginuity.
https://www.autoenginuity.com/products/oe-coverage-options/gm-family-ei02.html

$249.95 #ST06 - USB (ST06 ProLine VCI)

$229.95 #EI02-2 Enhanced GM-family Expansion with CAN D (Requires ST06 ProLine Interface)
$320.00 - for Enhanced Ford and Chysler

$800 - All Domestic

There's no 1 'best' scan tool for 'all' vehicles.

The number of manufacture specific/proprietary data streams, functional tests, ...; are too many for any one aftermarket supplier to offer.

The best we can do is decide what we need to get our cars sorted out, within our budgets.

I sure do miss my TECH2 and GDS2.
 
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