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the spyder

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Hey guys,
I posted some time ago that I had some tools stolen and after both me and my brother noticed someone snooping around our shop this week, its time to put up the cameras. I have a small DVR (Holds a week straight) and 1 Pelco camera. I want to purchase a few more to cover all entrances of the property. Running all this conduit and wiring is going to be a PITA in this muddy, cold, weather, but its 100x better then having my tools jacked again.

What cameras and DVR's are you guys running?
 
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A_Pmech

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That's not good, Spyder.

Check out Swann security. Or, if you want expensive, Supercircuits.

I think some of Supercircuits stuff is re-badged Swann, or maybe they're both re-badged XYZ brand.

Whatever the case, they seem well regarded.
 

Gary S

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Check out Bluecherry.
http://store.bluecherry.net/
They sell just about any hardware you can want, and if you can handle a little computer geek work, they have free video capture software you can run on an old computer and put together an awesome system really cheap. I bought one of their video capture cards and got the free software with it. I installed it on one of my old junk computers. I have 4 cameras connected to it and the "motion detection" of the software captures video only when there is motion at the cameras, so my hard drive holds about 6 months of video from the 4 cameras. An old junk computer can become a cheap DVR at much lower cost than buying a DVR.
 
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the spyder

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Check out Bluecherry.
http://store.bluecherry.net/
They sell just about any hardware you can want, and if you can handle a little computer geek work, they have free video capture software you can run on an old computer and put together an awesome system really cheap. I bought one of their video capture cards and got the free software with it. I installed it on one of my old junk computers. I have 4 cameras connected to it and the "motion detection" of the software captures video only when there is motion at the cameras, so my hard drive holds about 6 months of video from the 4 cameras. An old junk computer can become a cheap DVR at much lower cost than buying a DVR.


My day job is sadly being said computer geek... :beer:
I will look in to the posted. Thanks!
 

RobSmith

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Good on you computer geek spider man. You provide a service that us dummies can't do.
I can build an engine or a car but my TV still has to be switched on at the box. The only remote I have is for the garage door and the shop vacuum. ha ha ha
 

Teken

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If you're serious about security wire your system with CAT5e, or CAT6 UTP cabling. To ensure future proofing your investment wire in coax and power cable also. Having both sets allows you to have one or both types of systems of old school analog camera's to the ever fast approaching IP camera's that are dropping in price finally.

Almost all of the units these days offer remote viewing via a internal server. What seperates the OK to the best is what the software can do for you.

Regardless of the DVR, NVR, or even a cheap 24hr VHS system it comes down to correct placement of the camera system.

1. What are you trying to protect? If you place the camera in the location (will) it capture 100% of the FOV (field of view) you're trying to obtain?

2. Is the area going to be 50/50 well lit, other times will it be completely dark? This determines wether you require a good quality IR camera system. More IR LED's allow you to see more and farther. One with 12 LED's will give you less than 15 feet, 21-36 LED's will give you aprox 50-75 feet distance. One thing to keep in mind that the night time view will always be B&W, unless you have spent serious $$$ for a camera lens that is true day and night.

3. Weather rating or IP rating. If this camera is to be installed out doors ensure the said camera's IP rating is suited to your needs. Some camera's work OK in the rain, some work like **** when it hits -10'c so make sure you read all the specs of the camera system to ensure its weather and out door rated. The IP rating also indicates how well the camera is against physical damage like rocks, hammers, etc.

4. If IR (infared) is required please keep in mind that anything in the 850 nM spectrim will give off a red / pinkish hue, or glow from the LED's. Only very expensive systems that are in the 900 nM will be completely invisable to the human eye.

5. Mounting, where ever you decide to mount the camera always ensure it is situated high enough to do its job, and also be out of reach of common threat's. Some camera's have limited focus, and sharpness adjustments. Its worth the extra cash for this simple but important feature. As you could be mounting the said camera in a spot you feel is great, but when you get on the other end to view the image everything is too small or not sharp. So like a wood cutter measure twice cut once. ie buy it right the first time, and not waste your time, and hard earned cash on junk that will only disappoint.

6. Is style important to you? There are lots of styles from bullet, dome, cannon, mini spy types. Each have there place, and uses.

Speaking from personal experience go with a vendor that will let you try out a few camera's and their DVR systems. Play with the software, see what it can and cant do for you. Some have alot of bells and whistles, some have even more but they do the famous analogy of: Jack of all trades, master of none!!

Meaning they offer alot, but they dont do one thing very well . . . If this is a investment and it is . . Budget around $1000.00 for a good system. Spend under, well you get what you paid for.

Just my $0.00000000000000000000000 cents . . .

Regards

EVIL Teken . . .
 
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DRJZ1974

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I run a pretty good 8 camera system at my house that is infrared giving great night video also. I would not recommend using a computer as your DVR, they tend to crash and other problems. I would buy a dedicated DVR that is internet ready. I know immediately if there is a problem at my house which monitored by an outside company, police are called, it is pushed to my email and cell phone notifying me and also allowing me to view video. Also monitors fire and carbon monoxide and even tells me if I forgot to shut a door or arm the system before I left. Believe it or not, these types of systems are not as expensive as people think they are, especially given the value of what many people keep in their garage and house. They are also very effective without all the false alarms the old systems had.
 

tenorplayer23

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Good thread on security systems, cameras, etc., plus system prerequisites.

BTW, has anyone used the Logitech systems & eqt. for their homes/garages? Seems like a simplistic.....perhaps, too elemental system, but reviews on consumer sites are largely positive.

Any opinions on this system vs. others types referenced above, please feel free to comment.

Thx. in advance.

See ya. :hellobye:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/w...deo_security_systems/master_systems/&cl=us,en
 

Daedalus

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* Spend more time choosing the recorder. Fixed cameras are relatively cheap. Good DVRs aren't.

* Beware incomplete specs. A recorder might record in D1 resolution, and it might record @ 30 frames per second, but does it record in D1 @ 30fps...and on all channels simultaneously, or just 1 or 2? Illumination and frame rate can be just as important as resolution in a camera.

* Define the benefits (end results) you want, make a scaled plan view of the area you want covered, map out fields of view and strategic lines of sight, figure out how much resolution you need and at what distance (use online lens calculators), and *THEN* start searching for hardware to meet your needs.

* Understand resolution, focal distances, angles of view and lens sizes. A 3.6mm lens is not going to be able to read a license plate unless it's maybe 10' away or less. Same thing for facial recognition.

* Strong infrared LEDs can cause more harm than good up close.

* Spiders love to make webs in front of infrared LEDs. Consider using secondary infrared illuminators only. Personally I use dusk-to-dawn visible LED floodlights to light up my property at night. Costs me about $2/month in electricity.

* You can find some experts and very helpful people on cctvforum.com.
 

Gary S

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I would not recommend using a computer as your DVR, they tend to crash and other problems.


That isn't a problem if you choose a stable operating system and software. My computer runs easily a year at a time without any attention or reboots and never crashes. I don't expect you can ever reach this level of reliability with Microsoft Windows, but mine runs Linux and Zoneminder which will easily match or beat the reliability of any DVR made.
 

TheGrooveking

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That isn't a problem if you choose a stable operating system and software. My computer runs easily a year at a time without any attention or reboots and never crashes. I don't expect you can ever reach this level of reliability with Microsoft Windows, but mine runs Linux and Zoneminder which will easily match or beat the reliability of any DVR made.


Just remember to use JIS screwdrivers on it when you have to fix the mechanical aspects of your computer or take it apart to blow out the dust.

TheGrooveking
 

Gary S

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Just remember to use JIS screwdrivers on it when you have to fix the mechanical aspects of your computer or take it apart to blow out the dust.

TheGrooveking

I've never needed them. Computer screws are turned into sheet metal and are never tight enough that even your worst screwdriver in the box can't do the job really easy.
 

Teken

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Also as I stated before about future proofing your installation with both types of wiring keep in mind that is just my preference.

The majority of installs we do for friends use only UTP CAT5e, and CAT6 cable. Major reason is that its cheap, easy to handle over thick aszz coax cable, and just as reliable as coax if installed and terminated correctly.

Anyone who has just standard analog camera's can still use CAT cabling, the only requirement for compatibility is using a paired powered video balun. This gives you the all three input / output plugs required to send and recieve the video / audio if required.

Most of the baluns run from $15-150.00 either for one or for a system which allows multiple hook ups.

Power supplies: I am a firm believer in good power, that goe with out saying we all do in most things we use or have! LOL

I primary use 16-18 power supply units, this allows the owner to expand in the future, once again to allow future proofing and flexability.

Better to have and not need, then to need and not have . . .

One thing to keep in mind is that many systems are in the consumer world DC powered systems, and in the commercial area its AC units. Just a heads up because I have had two friends by a really nice camera or power supply and it was one or the other. This caused huged delays, or out of pocket cash because once again you dont know how the vendor will treat you with a wrong order placed etc.

I normally replaced the internal power supply of the units we install with a larger amerage unit, typically with a 20 amp unit. The majority of power supplies you will see are 10-12 amps. Most camera's draw 500mA with out IR LED's, 1000 mA with IR LED's, this doesnt even take into account when the mercury drops below -25'c.

So get the most amperage unit you can buy / afford. Shop around E-Bay, there are lots of vendors who sell some great products, others well you know. So read their rating and see what others say before buying from them.

There are those multi-plug power supplies in one small box with 4-12 3.5 power adaptors plugs coming out of them. Stay away from those units, as one friend bought a few for a cheap install and the thing almost burnt his brand new house down to the ground.

Just a few more tips there as well.

Regards

EVIL Teken . . .
 
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