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Leveling Feet for the welding table

great white tj

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I have been looking for some 2" hitch balls for a month or two, yes I looked at HF $8.99 ( I am Cheep keep looking) so we where at a Wal-Mart about 60miles south of Ocala yesterday. Bingo $4.88 each the last 4.....they will work..I will get some help in getting the table up so I can weld them on better, the pict is just a mock up.
 

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To the OP, I like that setup, it looks nice, clean and very rugged.


I made hundreds of benches, put a level screw on 1 foot. Nothing wrong with it but we see a lot of effort over this on here.

Most of us are so OCD we can't survive doing things the way you do. I wish I could, you are probably twice as productive as most of us as well.
 
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Sberry I was going to just use two, and I just ended up using all 4..The floor in the shop is nice next to the Walls, but not great in the open area.
 
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I put a pice of 3/16 plate under the ball as I welded each one on, that way I can screw them up out of the way to move the table.
 

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That's a pretty good idea!
Set them on hockey pucks, and you'll be able to beat on the table without transferring the shock to the floor, making it easier on the welded feet, and the concrete.

I tend to abuse things!

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They will work well as cost effective, levelling feet .. :thumbup:

X 2 with comment about using "coasters" under them ... I made up wooden ones in the past ... but Ive been eyeing off a nylon alternative for a new bench I have planned.
 

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How can one leg adjust for 4 legs? I know if it was a tripod it would be different, but my floor has areas that would make one adjuster impossible.
 

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Well, IMO one leveling screw will no level a table. It will just keep it from rocking on one plain. A pool table has screws on all four legs for leveling. Hmmm go figure. The Op is doing it right. A very good idea. It may be a bite expensive but a very clean look. I like it.

Make sure that you clean the threads of the locktite or what ever they use. It may cause problems later.
 

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Id suggest putting tennis balls over those hitch balls. If you slam something on the bench and the hitch balls are a little more load bearing than the table feet, you might end up stress cracking your floor. Thats a small surface area to have with weight.
 

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Just out of curiosity,,, where you all learn that this was super important? I ask this in sincerity. I see a few jump on here and pour a lot of effort in to features they will never recover. I agree the balls and this cost on this project are irrelevant and that they are nice additions, its even art.
A lot of the other stuff I see on some are actually detrimental and if you ask 10 yrs from now most wouldnt bother to do them again or outright didn't use them.
Strouty will probably find one place on the floor where the bench stays and wont be cruising every sq ft of space and routinely changing it like a pit stop. Many build some height adjusting in to find they leave it at 34. etc
 

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If my floor was semi level, I would probably not think too much about it, but if I put something spherical or cylindrical on a bench and it rolls away, I want to try and level it at least a little bit. I understand one will keep it from rocking, but all four will make for a nice level bench. On light duty benches it may be able to keep it from racking to the shape of the floor. I also have tables on wheels and they are not set to be leveled, so I do not level everything.

It is probably more OCD than anything else, as I said before you are probably much more productive than me.
 

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Only reason I mention this is that I did a lot of stuff that never really paid out, most of the right stuff was free by accident or the end/real outcome wasn't exactly like I had invisioned when I started.
My floor plan doesn't include the firsat bench scheme I came up with, it really got more refined when I moved in with a plate on a couple of saw horses with a couple a boards under for shelf.
 
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That's a great idea - I see hitch balls for $1-2 at the flea markets, I think this gives me an excuse to start picking a few up, we have a welding table at the shop which constantly wobbles.
 

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One leg is non adjustable and is cut to set the height of the table. Three adjustable legs are all that is needed to level the table. Over the non adjustable leg is were you do your beating on things. I have 2 with adjustable legs, nice for bike frame work but not really necessary, and could be replaced by shims for less money and effort. I was Navy and learned a Square is going to get it done, even if it isn't level.
 

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I am so tempted to build a new bench becaue of the forum,,, ha but don't have any free steel at the moment and all these years the right piece never really came along although now it would be lighter than I might have had I pursued it earlier.
A 4 inch overhang on a 1/2 plate about 3x6 Super flat not important, no holes to start with and a cutting bucket on one end. Ideally bolted to the floor. Another smaller one about 5 ft away 2x4 with vise and bolted to the floor.
I have worked on some thick benches and it really fukked with the use of clamps.
I was in a plant a while back where they were proud of some monster that took up way too much room and was useless, spent some astronomical price to build it in a room too small.
For hobby guys most of it is moot except that you don't need it Blanchard ground for backyard work and all those holes lead to the need for special clamps which takes investment away from ones you really will use 10x like 11R which are hard to get enough of.
 
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I fail to understand why you, Sberry, need to criticize the work and desires of other folks fabrications because they don't match your standards. I use the features built into mine every day, I built them there because I wanted them there, as I'm sure others do as well.

Some people take pride in the building and engineering of their shop fixtures, making them to be the very best they can do.

And yet, it seems that because its not cheap, quick and dirty it's in no way suitable for a fabricator of any caliber.

I'm not trying to make waves here, it's just a trend I've noticed.
 

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I fail to understand why you, Sberry, need to criticize the work and desires of other folks fabrications because they don't match your standards. I use the features built into mine every day, I built them there because I wanted them there, as I'm sure others do as well.

Some people take pride in the building and engineering of their shop fixtures, making them to be the very best they can do.

And yet, it seems that because its not cheap, quick and dirty it's in no way suitable for a fabricator of any caliber.

I'm not trying to make waves here, it's just a trend I've noticed.

He just likes to show another point of view, I used to think the way you are thinking, but I like to see the other side of the coin, so to speak. I think Sberry has made me think long and hard more than once about where my priorities were versus where they should have been. It is a forum, he isn't being mean, he is just giving an opinion and he definitely doesn't mean it the way you are taking it.
 

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I don't think he's being mean, and I haven't taken any offense. I simply was wondering why he must always be critical of others work.

There is a time for quick and cheap, and I utilize it often. It just always seems as though its his way or the highway.

It is always important to maintain perspective, and it would be rediculously absurd to do everything always to the max.
 

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If it wasn't for some differences there wouldn't be much of a discussion. I actually like most of it, I think its great place to be creative. I elaborate some past the original post mostly from owmn experience of building owning and buying additional features that often seem like a better idea going in than coming out.
Most with the experience aint asking here, I really like to keep as simple and affordable on start up[ as possible. Nothing is as slow and painful as extra expense with minor return. Affordable leaves more to go around for things that often matter more.
The point that seems critical usually comes with some disclaimer and usually results from direct experience where I felt the pain.

Lots of tools the same way, not just benches. A 50$ 3 in 1 ball joint set great for a guy that comes and asks about a job or 2 on the family truck, he doesn't need 500 set with another 3 in additional adapters he might use once if lucky and could have been replaced with a socket. Same thing for a Blanchard grind and a hundred bolt holes and another few large in clamps fit only that table,,, great for NASA but the DIY guy is deluding himself at great expense that he really needs this.
A want is a different matter, you want it you want it but if a guy needs it I got to wonder if he sees the picture clearly or how he comes to this conclusion when direct experience says otherwise.

Some of it actually proved out in other threads, I believe Nasty cut a bench in half that had become either obsolete or never panned out. I can see specialty equipment in a job shop with repeats but as a couple other crusty old fabricators here that pop their head up on occasion seem to agree,,, the bench don't make all that much real difference provided its not real left handed and poorly located with junk underfoot.
For general work I got to agree, For 20 yr stretch hopped around quite a bit, dozens of shops and 75 jobs, seen how a lot of others did it. Seen how guys that work on benches all day do it, a little maint work a bench along wall with vise is good, fab like electric signs or steel like an island and benches in small shops are benches other than welding as is mine and how many places can a guy mount a vise? I can say with some certainty 8 tubes welded to a 3x5 on wheels is a waste of effort
 

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I made hundreds of benches, put a level screw on 1 foot.

Dang, I've built four. :eek:

And my welding table doesn't even have leveling feet, just retractable casters. On some spots on the floor the table rocks and some parts it doesn't, so I just use the spots where it doesn't. I'm a keep-it-simple guy but I think the over-engineer guys are cool too.

TJ, I bet you saw that idea in one of Kevin Caron's videos.
 

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This is somwhat true but usually the point is to keep it from rocking, anyone set their work bench with a precision level?

Yes I do. All of my machines, welding jig tables etc. are set with a precision level. To each his own.
 

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Yes, we use a precision level on ALL our machine tools.

AND to the OP, put the adjusters on the INSIDE of the legs....you will thank me later.....

Your Pal, Gary
 

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I set my tables and stationary tools with a level. I'm not so concerned about layout for welding, I can rely on square for that. But it's incredibly annoying to place a pencil, tool or part on a bench and have it wander, especially when excited by vibration of a grinder, hammer blows, drill motor etc.

There's no shame in doing something "righter than right".

I also do things like clear nut threads with a tap and bolt threads with a die before re-assembling something. I tighten a drill press chuck from all three key holes. I torque nearly every nut and bolt with a torque wrench. Even things like hose clamps and AC switch plates. If I could figure out a jig for torque wrenching a light bulb, I'd do that. And I floss twice a year. The day before my dental appointments.

OK, so I'm a slacker when it comes to flossing.


Sgt Lumpy
 
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Yes, we use a precision level on ALL our machine tools.

AND to the OP, put the adjusters on the INSIDE of the legs....you will thank me later.....

Your Pal, Gary

Gary, I have mounts at each end of the table for a vise ect. and they keep my fat butttt from tripping on them, I have everything to make another table so the next ones will be on the in side. I p/u this table in Tulsa Okla. back in 1991 I have cut it bown one time, so it would fit in a area of my last shop. It had a weird top on it so I busted it all to hell and added 3/4 plywood, then the metal top back in 2004.It's not a heavy table but it works. I have pict of the other beanch I use from time to time.
 

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Dang, I've built four. :eek:

And my welding table doesn't even have leveling feet, just retractable casters. On some spots on the floor the table rocks and some parts it doesn't, so I just use the spots where it doesn't. I'm a keep-it-simple guy but I think the over-engineer guys are cool too.

TJ, I bet you saw that idea in one of Kevin Caron's videos.

Yes, they are a Kevin Caron idea..
 

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I wouldn't care on a layout or welding table if it wasn't absolutely perfectly level. I would like to have something flat though. Flat would be much more important than level for a workbench/layout set-up. That said, sometimes, it isn't worth the cost/time for either.

I like those feet. Congrats!
 
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i juts welded a nut and screw in a bolt, all of 44 cents, i guess i did it wrong by not spending more money
 
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I am not sure why the money is an issue here. I have had this table over 20 years. I did not build it...the legs have endcaps welded on when I got it. After moving it from Okla. to Fl. and moving it around my shop some, it was time to keep it level. I could have turned the table over and cut off the leg ends and welded up some new endcaps with a nut and bolt, or I could still move it around with my floor jacks and just put shims under the legs to level it.This was something I was going to do so I did it... no big deal. The thing is !!!!! it works for me. Now I am going back to the shop and look at it for a while. Hell I might just turn on the welder to hear run......
 
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