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Lifts in Tight Spaces

LWW

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That's fortunate Jack!

My 2 post is tight on the "outside" edge of the 3rd bay in my 3 car garage. But because of my concern about the soundness of my floor and after consulting with the engineers of the manufacturer of my lift, I cut out 2x2 pads where the posts would go and poured another 15" deep of 5000 psi concrete and keyed the new pour about 6" under the lip of the original floor all around. So even though I'm close to the edge on one post, I've got it bolted to a 3'x3'x15" column keyed under the original floor.

As mentioned by others, it can be a squeeze around that side for tire work but it beats the hell out of the 20 years of kneeling and rolling around on the ground that came before.

And to the poster that was critical about people who have lifts but few tools, not everyone uses their lift for ********* maintenance. Especially when modern surface mount lifts are so affordable! Many people just want to be able to easily change from summer to winter tires or create more parking. Why not get 4 cars in a 3 car garage or 2 cars in a 1 car garage? And lets be honest, most automotive repair tasks can be handled with a fairly simple set of hand tools and even a pancake compressor isn't a necessity (unless you need one to release the safety on your lift!).
 
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justanengineer

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When I worked as a mechanical engineer designing heat treating furnaces and other large equipment, I felt a lot like you about safety. Once I decided I didn't want to sit in an office anymore and moved on to being a Police Officer in South Central LA, I lost all my normal engineering type fears. :dunno:

After growing up on the farm, in the family sawmill, in the trades, and spending most of a decade in the military, I can assure you that any safety paranoia on my part is well grounded in "been there, either was in the ER or was the driver." Acquaintences occasionally will crack a bad joke about it, until I point out that the reason I wear chaps when running a chainsaw is bc my grandfather bit himself 3x on one leg, that I wear my ear muffs bc Im borderline legally deaf in one ear (and OSHA has my employer check annually!), and I keep escape routes in mind bc of numerous fires, a few crane/rigging, and other accidents in crowded shops. I even had a car catch fire on a lift above me due to a smoldering cigarette once. Not fun.

Ironically, the least safety conscious people I know are fellow engineers.
 

LX-Markham

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LX-Markham... how was Babco's sales/service? I'm in the GTA and planning on ordering an HD9-XW in the next year from them. Was the sale and installation pretty turnkey i.e. order and they deliver and install?

Babco sales rep, Karlene, was amazing. There was a screw up on Benpaks end, and Babco handled it very well.

Babco's installer, Sheldon, was also very good. As part of the deal, I helped with the install, which was great because I saw how it is put together.

Sorry, no pics of my shop setup yet, it's all on paper and planned for next spring.

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There's a full 6'-5" clear under the lift.
 

Ray916MN

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Was just noticing how your ramps stay level when lifted. Mine hang down quite a ways:
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Yes, whether ramps droop or stay more level is one of those things that can be better or worse depending on your situation. My lift is a DirectLift PP9+.

I kind of wish my ramps drooped since my install is tight front to back. Also since the lift at the top position is 82" (6'10") one of the things I've had to do is to paint the sides of the ramps fluorescent to make them a bit more noticeable so taller people walking around the lift don't run their heads into the ramps.
 

e-tek

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Yes, whether ramps droop or stay more level is one of those things that can be better or worse depending on your situation. My lift is a DirectLift PP9+.

I kind of wish my ramps drooped since my install is tight front to back. Also since the lift at the top position is 82" (6'10") one of the things I've had to do is to paint the sides of the ramps fluorescent to make them a bit more noticeable so taller people walking around the lift don't run their heads into the ramps.

Good point, the droop is helpful for that reason, but I always take my ramps off when I have a car on for more than a day.

Also, I did a little research - and read my instructions again - and I see the BP I have came with shims to lock the ramps level to the lift - so I guess I have the best of both. Good engineering can be rendered useless by unknowing end-users!! :lol_hitti
 
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e-tek

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After growing up on the farm, in the family sawmill, in the trades, and spending most of a decade in the military, I can assure you that any safety paranoia on my part is well grounded in "been there, either was in the ER or was the driver." Acquaintences occasionally will crack a bad joke about it, until I point out that the reason I wear chaps when running a chainsaw is bc my grandfather bit himself 3x on one leg, that I wear my ear muffs bc Im borderline legally deaf in one ear (and OSHA has my employer check annually!), and I keep escape routes in mind bc of numerous fires, a few crane/rigging, and other accidents in crowded shops. I even had a car catch fire on a lift above me due to a smoldering cigarette once. Not fun.

Ironically, the least safety conscious people I know are fellow engineers.

While I respect your experiences and knowledge, it would appear your hyper-safety POV comes from an inordinate (or unlucky) number of bad experiences. In my experience - and having seen several serious situations myself - I have found that most people never experience such situations and get along quite well doing what they want to do with their cars and equipment.

Regardless, I'm pretty sure that if people use common sense and have some basic safety mechanisms in place, they can usualy avoid - or avert - any of the situations they might experience - and you described - should they even occur.

This entire forum is based on DIY and no-one should EVER be told that they shouldn't do something, or don't have enough tools, room or brains to do it. Sure, respect safety, but don't allow too little room between your wall and your proposed lift stop you from getting one and pulling the wheels off your cars to learn what's under there!

:beer:

Oh ya - end rant!
 

ACR

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Babco sales rep, Karlene, was amazing. There was a screw up on Benpaks end, and Babco handled it very well.

Babco's installer, Sheldon, was also very good. As part of the deal, I helped with the install, which was great because I saw how it is put together.

Sorry, no pics of my shop setup yet, it's all on paper and planned for next spring.

There's a full 6'-5" clear under the lift.

Thank you!!
 

zmotorsports

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Some may not call this tight but it much tighter than I would like it. Two post Ammco lift for the south bay then a small area to pull a small vehicle in and two motorcycle lifts.

It gets pretty cramped like when working on this full-size Dodge truck.

Mike.

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zmotorsports

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Great discussion.
But now you have me second guessing if this is a smart idea. :confused:

That doesn't look to be too bad of a layout. The main thing I have found is keeping them approx. 4' from a wall to allow you to not only move around safely and work but also to be able to remove axle shafts without hitting the wall or the wall not allowing you to remove an axle shaft.

Mike.
 
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