harleybuilder
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Are you all using these "LED" as supplemental lighting for the florescent lights or as the main light source ?
Lighting for new shop
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pftwhftb
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I thought about getting the 50w but wanted too many to make it cost effective for me? I just opted for the 30w which are good and bright. The 50w would have been nice too. I bet your shop is really lit up with the 50w.
That is the only light source in mine. And they are plenty bright for anything I'd want to do. And with10 of them running its only 300w of power it's pulling with an equivalent brightness of 1,500 watts of incandescent. I'm not sure what the equivalent is to fluorescent bulbs or power consumption. Plus the LED will run at any temperature, here in South Dakota that's important cause it's really cold here at times in the winter.
harleybuilder
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Thank you for the reply. ...Decisions decisions. ....
pftwhftb
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They really are great lights. If you are upgrading or putting new one in. It's the way to go.
harleybuilder
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I will be installing in a new 30' x 40' building. How many will I need so I won't have shadows and have plenty of light ?
pftwhftb
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Mine is 24x36. I installed 10 30 watts and am very happy. No shadows or dark spots. I have mine mounted 10 feet up on the sidewalks aimed down so that I can use all the light instead of some of it just bounce off the ceiling. If I had to guess for a 30x40. I'd put 5 on your long walks and 3 on your side walls. Total 16. If you go with the 50 watts ones you could probably cut it down to 12 or so , but both those are guesses. I firmly believe you can't have enough light. I bought the daytime white color too and am happy with it. They sell a warm white and cool white too the warm is a lot yellower and the cool is a lot bluer. I find daytime a great color between the two and I don't get eye strain from working in it all day.
pftwhftb
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The ones I bought are made by Lighting Ever. They have a 2 year warranty and I had zero issues with them right out of the box. Here is the Amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00JB12HEG/ref=pd_aw_sims_5?pi=SS115&simLd=1
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00JB12HEG/ref=pd_aw_sims_5?pi=SS115&simLd=1
I also have the same question I have 4' 4 bulb lights 11 of them not put up yet do I run all on 2 breakers my shop is 32x36 just built it started to wire it, also installing receptacle every 4' around the garage thats about 34 receptacles how many breaker should I use. Thanks for the help
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uconn9
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Hey pftwhftb-
That's a pretty sweet setup. Any chance of getting a few detailed pictures on how you wired them up?
Also, I'm curious why you mounted them on the walls instead of the ceiling?
Either way, it looks great.
Thanks!
That's a pretty sweet setup. Any chance of getting a few detailed pictures on how you wired them up?
Also, I'm curious why you mounted them on the walls instead of the ceiling?
Either way, it looks great.
Thanks!
pftwhftb
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I'll get pics in a bit, but the wiring couldn't be simpler. I used 16/3 extension cords. Beings they draw so little amps and watts you don't need to use large wiring. I cut the extension cords up for the length I needed for each light. I ran 3 different "sets" each bay has 4 lights in its set and the bench lights are just two. So I ran the sets of 4 to a junction box the wired a 110 male plug from the box and plugged it into an outlet with a wireless switch.
I put them on the sides so I am never creating my own shadow when I'm working on something. Every garage I've ever been in with the fluorescent lights above cast a shadow under me onto what I'm working on. And that's normally where I need the most light. With my set up here if I'm casting a shadow from
The light behind me the light on the side or in front puts light into that shadow so it basically eliminated it.
I'll get done pics of the wiring.
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Banjorear
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My one gripe about these LED's is the whip is so short. I was thinking of opening them up to see if I can add a longer one.
pftwhftb
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They are pretty short, mine was about 6", but I was tying into them to run them somewhere els so it wasn't an issue to me. If I was wiring it to a box behind it or something that would have been a PITA
uconn9
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Excellent. Thanks for the photos..
Interesting that you rigged them with a plug and remotes. I'm thinking of replacing switched lights but I should be able to use a similar setup.
Interesting that you rigged them with a plug and remotes. I'm thinking of replacing switched lights but I should be able to use a similar setup.
pftwhftb
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I don't see why you could not do something similar. For my application I found this to be the easiest way to get to what I wanted my garage to be. I also have my under bench lights, puck lights above the bench and my radio plugged into wireless remotes. I have a remote for all that beside the bench in the center of the garage and one by the personel door. That way when I forget to turn something off I can just turn it off before I leave. Each remote set I got had 3 that you plug into the wall and then your device into it and 2 remotes. I got 2 sets and they don't interfere with the other. So I have 6 devices with remote controls on them right now. I could expand if I want to or I could use them on devices for safety or pretty much anything I want to. They were $9.99 at Menards so I can't complain about the price and flexability. The pic is one of the remotes. It comes with a pocket clip but I just clipped it to the wall.
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Banjorear
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Thanks for the reply. If I read correctly, you spliced the whip into 16/2 extension cord wire?
pftwhftb
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Yes that is exactly what I did, well 16/3. Then to a junction box, then from there ran a 16/3 with a male plug on it to the outlet with a remote controlled plug. I am going to test the draw of the 4 that I have wired into one plug to see what they actually pull, just because I'm curious. I'll post the results when I finally remember to do it. I'll be using a Kil-A-Wat device to test it.
crewchief437
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so if you were wiring straight into pole switches and the breaker you would run 16/2 on a max of how many of these 30w LED lights? and it would be on a 15A breaker right?
KGB Pilot125
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Just got mine tonight and man is it bright! I am thinking about getting the 10w ones and trying them too. I have a small garage and kinda low ceilings (10 foot) and maybe it would be a better solution for my application.
I mounted this one on the angle iron that mounts the garage door opener and pointed it back at the main work area (near the man door) it increased the luxes from 76 to 147. I have it mounted straight out too it is not pointed/angled down at all so I am shooting straight across the ceiling so it doesnt blind me when I look that direction. I'll post some pics in my garage thread.
Edit: Just ordered a 10 and a 20. worst case these end up at work in the bay area for the techs.
Wonder if you could put a diffuser of sorts on there and break it up a little.
Also just an FYI a computer power supply plug in cable is perfect for testing these out, the one I used was even marked with L, N, and the ground symbol so I just folded over the exposed wire and taped it up for testing.
I mounted this one on the angle iron that mounts the garage door opener and pointed it back at the main work area (near the man door) it increased the luxes from 76 to 147. I have it mounted straight out too it is not pointed/angled down at all so I am shooting straight across the ceiling so it doesnt blind me when I look that direction. I'll post some pics in my garage thread.
Edit: Just ordered a 10 and a 20. worst case these end up at work in the bay area for the techs.
Wonder if you could put a diffuser of sorts on there and break it up a little.
Also just an FYI a computer power supply plug in cable is perfect for testing these out, the one I used was even marked with L, N, and the ground symbol so I just folded over the exposed wire and taped it up for testing.
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pftwhftb
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Yea a 15a breaker. I would run the lights without a ground wire though, that's just me .
I tested the amps and voltage for 4 wired together and 2 wired together they add up equally so my readings should be accurate. I'll post pics of my readings in my next post when I get to my desktop.
From my figures if you max out at 15 amps for the line you could run 60 on the same circuit. Each one pull .25 amps and 30 watts. But 60 would max out the line, at 15 amps and 1,800 watts total. Not that anyone would want 60 in one single line or use that many in a shop. You would go blind.
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pftwhftb
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That's great! yea they are bright, I aimed mine down mainly too so I don't get blinded. you can see where the light shines and if you aim it down you should be able to see where it is the most effective. My ceilings are 10 ft too and once I got them aimed right I don't even notice they are up there and they don't blind me.
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Banjorear
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Does it matter which wiresults you splice them to? They are not normal colors that we use. They are yellow, blue, and brown. I got it to work using yellow as ground, but curious.
pftwhftb
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It's European wiring colors.
The pic I attached is the proper colors to match up, but sounds like you figured it out.
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DonPowers
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I recently built a 32x48 garage with 11' ceiling and installed 12 can fixtures with three switches. There are 6 over each bay, using 75W equivalent LED flood lights (about 12 W each, 144 W total). This gives me plenty of general purpose light. I plan to install a few more directly over work benches.
Banjorear
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Thanks. I just ordered a 10W and a 20W to fool with. Love the idea of mounting them on the garage door rebar.
harleybuilder
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I was going to go with these in the 30w version but rethinking it now after reading a lot of the reviews. Anyone having problems with the ballast going out and causing the lights to flash and not come on?
KGB Pilot125
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I have not had any issues with my 30 watt at all. Pretty much used it everyday since I have gotten it.
harleybuilder
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How long have you had them?
KGB Pilot125
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Only since 12/9
pftwhftb
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Had zero issues with mine either. I have ten 30w installed. Use them everyday in 10 degree weather and up to 70 degrees. Had mine installed since 12/05/14. But if you read the reviews on many of the lights that you see on Amazon you will see that there are some bad ones. The ones I bought are from a reputable company, not off EBay. They are made in China, but, sold by an American company based out of Las Vegas. Lighting Ever also backs theirs with a 2 year warranty. I did purchase mine through Amazon, but they can be bought from the actual website for the same price, but I think they charge shipping. If you buy from a reputable company that backs them then you should be ok. And if they go bad before the 2 years then you can replace them under warranty. To be honest if I get 1 to 2 years out of them and then have to replace them for another $23.99 then it's worth it to me because they are amazing.
Here is their Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/LightingEver?ref=ts&fref=ts
Their webpage:
http://www.lightingever.com/?gclid=CPvNiszO1cICFYtr7AodBBUAqw
Them on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JB12HEG/?tag=atomicindus08-20
cynicalrider
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Subbing, love the wall mounted LED solutions.
MoparTrucks
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Man this solves a dilemma for me. Ever since I got power to my shop earlier this year I have been struggling with what to do about overhead lighting as flickering fluorescent lighting gives me headaches for some reason. I have a 24'x32' pole barn shop and this is an excellent solution for me, thanks.
pftwhftb
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I don't like the light of fluorescent either, long time gives me a headache also. I like LED overall for many reasons. One of the reasons is that they are bright during all temps in South Dakota it gets really cold and florescent, even the new electronic ballast ones are down to only zero degrees. LED is any temp, I've tested to 20 below so far with no issues.
I have a 24'x36' pole barn, 10' walls and I use 10 of the 30 watt ones and it's perfect. In my signature is the thread to my barn build if you want to see more pics of the lighting.
MoparTrucks
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I'm checking out your barn build now, I have 10' ceilings too. So from what I understand, you just wired an extension cord to the lights and are plugging them into duplex outlets right? I kind of like that for ease in replacement if needed.
I only have a 60 amp panel (its all new and was given and installed for free so I couldn't turn it down) so having my lighting all on one 15 amp breaker would be great.
Edited to add: I just saw how you wired them in your shop build thread.
I only have a 60 amp panel (its all new and was given and installed for free so I couldn't turn it down) so having my lighting all on one 15 amp breaker would be great.
Edited to add: I just saw how you wired them in your shop build thread.
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pftwhftb
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Free is always good! 60 amps should be enough for just about anything you need. Mine is a 100 amp, but I had to pay for it all and the initial wiring to the garage. Underground and wired from the house. I wired all the lights myself though and all my outside solar lights.
That's exactly what I did. I just wired 16/3 extension cord into the lights. Some of them are series wired to each other and some parallel wired to a junction box. Then I just wired a male 110v plug and plugged it into an outlet. The power they pull is very little so I calculated that you could run 60 30watt LEDs off 1 15amp breaker. They are easy to wire. I'm put a pic in the thread of the colors to wire to what. The LEDs come with European colored wiring. I just wire nut the wires to the extension cords and black taped them to protect them. Then put a junction box where I had to wire all 4 of the lights together I have in a circuit, then to my 110 outlet.
I am hoping they last the 50,000 hours as advertised, but for $24 it's not a big deal if they don't and I will replace as necessary. The ones I got have a 2 year warranty so if they burn out before that I will contact the company and see what they will do. I did make it easy for replacement if nessecary though.
toyz4roy
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What color temperature are you getting for these Led Flood Lights?
pftwhftb
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I got daylight white, 5500k. I like that color a lot. No bluish tint to the light and they aren't too harsh or too yellow like normal bulbs.
OK, I'm going on your advice about these lights, I have 12 just came in. I still have to run a box to my new building so it will be awhile. Its sooo fricken cold outside, it might be a month before I get out there? But I hope these lights are as good as you say
pftwhftb
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OK, I'm going on your advice about these lights, I have 12 just came in. I still have to run a box to my new building so it will be awhile. Its sooo fricken cold outside, it might be a month before I get out there? But I hope these lights are as good as you say
As long as they are the Lighting Ever ones I don't see you having any problems. I've had mine over a month and have had zero issues. It's anout -30 windchill here so I understand the cold weather. I have been able to enjoy my garage because it's been so cold. I haven't had any problems with them in the cold weather either fire up bright each time.