Lincoln 210 MP

[FMC1959]

I have a 140 MIG 120v welder, gas or flux core (currently setup for gas, I have a green tank ...an Argon mix for general welding), a house brand that is made in the USA, that I purchased about 30 years ago. I haven't touched it in about 15-20 years and now want to get back into welding.

I am not great at welding, but got the job done. I want to weld mainly plain square tubing or angle iron for some projects like tool stands, a canopy frame for my tractor and other projects. Not interested in TIG for now, nor do I need special requirements like Aluminum welding for now either.

A couple of questions for welders who know a heck of a lot more than me.

First, to get my MIG working, do I need to change the spool, which is almost new, because of oxidation or whatever, or will it work OK?

I am looking at 2 options, keeping this MIG and getting a stick (Lincoln AC 225?) or similar. I figure this should cover most welding tasks.

Option 2 would be to get a Lincoln 210 MP and sell my current machine.

I wanted to hear what ever feedback on the 210 MP, even if Miller, Hobart, ESAB or others have good options, right now I can get the Lincoln rebate and through Canadian Tire I can get 24 interest free payments, which makes the expense possible.

I know the 210MP is a newer model, not tons of reviews online, but mostly favorable. If what I have read is correct, what I like is that it is very easy or intuitive to use, very plug and play, which is important to me. My current machine got used so infrequent, every time I used it, I would need to scan through the manual to make sure everything was setup correct. If the 210MP is super easy that not being a daily or weekly user, can grab it and use it without wasting time, that is a big asset.

Also read others say that it lays down nice welds. Even a beginner can easily make good welds that would be less easy with a lesser machine.

Anything else that comes to mind from people who have used the 210MP and can compare it to other machines, would be appreciated.

keeping my current machine and buying a stick would definitely be cheaper, but if the 210MP is simpler, better, a good machine overall and also expandable (from what I understand there is an AL gun and TIG kit if one chooses down the road), then I would rather have the 210MP. I like to get better tools when I can, they make the work easier, and thus you find more reasons to use them....I am hoping this would be the case with the 210MP.

 

[FMC1959]

One other thing, mainly to Cdn members that shop Cdn Tire, anyone ever see specials on the 210MP, and how much off do they do?

 

[ADSR]

One other thing, mainly to Cdn members that shop Cdn Tire, anyone ever see specials on the 210MP, and how much off do they do?

Not even sure they carry that model. But be careful, I was told that the lincoln products you can by at homedepot and canadian tire are not built the same way as the machine at the LWS. They've had good parts replaced with cheap parts to make a certain price point.

 

[Thumper68]

I love the 210MP even though I have only used it a handful of times, it has done every task that I have asked and come back for more.

It is very easy to set up and use, the controls are very intuitive and well laid out.

Like LordDiesel said I have heard that some of the big box retailers are selling a cheaper version of the machine so I would check that out, I have no first hand knowledge of that though, it might be that they are just able to offer a better price due to volume.

 

[BD1]

Check with local supplier, they had a 10% rebate last week . It might have ended January 1.

 

[FMC1959]

Not even sure they carry that model. But be careful, I was told that the lincoln products you can by at homedepot and canadian tire are not built the same way as the machine at the LWS. They've had good parts replaced with cheap parts to make a certain price point.

I have heard that over the years, as well as the Dewalt, Milwaukee...etc products sold by HD being cheaper or seconds from the factory. I personally don't have that paranoia. I will check to make sure that it is the exact same model K3963-1, if it is, I will be satisfied.Thanks for the heads up, I wouldn't have thought to check otherwise, as some large retailers do have exclusive models sometimes; but that would definitely carry a different part number.

I love the 210MP even though I have only used it a handful of times, it has done every task that I have asked and come back for more.

It is very easy to set up and use, the controls are very intuitive and well laid out.

That is good to hear, that is what I am hoping for

Check with local supplier, they had a 10% rebate last week . It might have ended January 1.

The 10% rebate check that Lincoln gives is till Jan 6, 2017, so I have 2 days to pull the trigger.

 

[ADSR]

The 10% rebate check that Lincoln gives is till Jan 6, 2017, so I have 2 days to pull the trigger.

I wouldn't let a time frame be a deciding factor of the purchase. Also, because you don't need TIG, You could buy the miller 211 mig only for even cheaper. Also, I'd talk with a LWS before buying it as they can work magic sometimes. They can work in the price of a bottle, helmet and other goods you'll need. They might even give discounts on gas since you bought the welder from there.

Crappy tire can't do that.

 

[Bobcat753]

I have a 210MP and absolutely love it. Welds very nice and super easy to set up. I would not trade it for any other welder out there.

As for the big box store thing that is only a myth. Other retailers use that to try and get the sale. The products are the exact same thing across the board, whether it's a dealer or chain store.

 

[FMC1959]

I wouldn't let a time frame be a deciding factor of the purchase. Also, because you don't need TIG, You could buy the miller 211 mig only for even cheaper. Also, I'd talk with a LWS before buying it as they can work magic sometimes. They can work in the price of a bottle, helmet and other goods you'll need. They might even give discounts on gas since you bought the welder from there.

Crappy tire can't do that.

I have had many expenses lately and do not have the aprx $1500 to drop on this right now, so the LWS would not work. The 24 payments through CT I can swing. If I decide against it, I might check other alternatives down the road.

I have 2 days for the 10% rebate, but have 30 days to mail it in. I might just get it and leave it in the box, and make up my mind before the end of January, to keep it or return it.

Also, no interest for TIG now, but if I change my mind down the road, this machine is TIG capable. Not sure if it does it well, or if it is better to get an independent TIG...not really something I am concerned with now. What this machine does have now is stick welding, which I figured with the 210 MIG is a good combo to cover most welding applications I care for in the near future.

I am not trying to shoot down your ideas, I appreciate the input. I have been considering my options for a couple of weeks and my 2 best options when I consider my welding needs & what I can spend, are to keep my current 140 and pickup a stick welder, or sell mine and go with the 210MP.

 

[FMC1959]

I have a 210MP and absolutely love it. Welds very nice and super easy to set up. I would not trade it for any other welder out there.

As for the big box store thing that is only a myth. Other retailers use that to try and get the sale. The products are the exact same thing across the board, whether it's a dealer or chain store.

Thanks for the feedback, this is again what I am hoping to hear.

I also agree the Big Box myth is more myth than real also.

 

[ItsNemo]

You could also look at TSC, they have the 210mp available and sometimes it goes on sale in the online flyer.

 

[Thumper68]

I have had many expenses lately and do not have the aprx $1500 to drop on this right now, so the LWS would not work. The 24 payments through CT I can swing. If I decide against it, I might check other alternatives down the road.

I have 2 days for the 10% rebate, but have 30 days to mail it in. I might just get it and leave it in the box, and make up my mind before the end of January, to keep it or return it.

Also, no interest for TIG now, but if I change my mind down the road, this machine is TIG capable. Not sure if it does it well, or if it is better to get an independent TIG...not really something I am concerned with now. What this machine does have now is stick welding, which I figured with the 210 MIG is a good combo to cover most welding applications I care for in the near future.

I am not trying to shoot down your ideas, I appreciate the input. I have been considering my options for a couple of weeks and my 2 best options when I consider my welding needs & what I can spend, are to keep my current 140 and pickup a stick welder, or sell mine and go with the 210MP.

You will love the 210MP, so much better running on 240 (even though you can use 120)

The main reason I picked one up is that I wanted a stick capable machine and after looking at the stand alone machines I figured why not get a multi-process machine that has the 120 also, yes it was a few hundred more but the benefits outweigh the extra cost.

 

[FMC1959]

You could also look at TSC, they have the 210mp available and sometimes it goes on sale in the online flyer.

I see it sells for the same price as CT, do you remember what the sale price is?

 

[FMC1959]

You will love the 210MP, so much better running on 240 (even though you can use 120)

The main reason I picked one up is that I wanted a stick capable machine and after looking at the stand alone machines I figured why not get a multi-process machine that has the 120 also, yes it was a few hundred more but the benefits outweigh the extra cost.

Going from wire feed to stick, fairly quick change? Do you need to remove the wire spool or anything else, or just throw a rod in it and away you go?

 

[Bobcat753]

Just connect the stick lead to the machine and do the normal settings and you are good to go. No need to remove the mig gun/wire. Takes about 5 seconds.

 

[FigureItOut]

I really think the Lincoln is a fantastic machine. Being inexperienced, I find it really, really easy to use and dial in settings. I use it infrequently so the auto-set is nice, since I'm not at the point where I can just look at the piece and know off hand about where to start.

That said, what really sold me was reviews from experienced and even expert welders. They seem to like it, and use it, which means that I'm not likely to outgrow it as my skills grow or my needs increase.

The lift Tig I think is a reasonable option for occasional Tig welding. I've used scratch start machines and HF machines, and for me the lift Tig is not too awfully far off the HF in ease of use and results I've gotten. Scratch start is a far distant third to me.

If you're interested in expanding your welding capabilities and the expense is doable, do it. I've been extremely happy with mine and I expect it's the last welder I'll ever buy.

Edit to add: be careful with the 210, it's easy to make pretty MIG welds, which is likely to convince you that you're making good welds. It wasn't until I took a short class and started looking at my cross sections that I realized they weren't very good. Just don't let it get you over confident.

 

[Ironhorse74]

I love my Lincoln 210 MP. I don't use it often enough to remember the set ups. The way the Lincoln 210 MP walks you through the set up is just the ticket for me. Also you can buy the TIG set up on ebay from USA Weld cheaper than you can buy the Lincoln kit.

 

[FMC1959]

Just connect the stick lead to the machine and do the normal settings and you are good to go. No need to remove the mig gun/wire. Takes about 5 seconds.

I really think the Lincoln is a fantastic machine. Being inexperienced, I find it really, really easy to use and dial in settings. I use it infrequently so the auto-set is nice, since I'm not at the point where I can just look at the piece and know off hand about where to start.

That said, what really sold me was reviews from experienced and even expert welders. They seem to like it, and use it, which means that I'm not likely to outgrow it as my skills grow or my needs increase.

The lift Tig I think is a reasonable option for occasional Tig welding. I've used scratch start machines and HF machines, and for me the lift Tig is not too awfully far off the HF in ease of use and results I've gotten. Scratch start is a far distant third to me.

If you're interested in expanding your welding capabilities and the expense is doable, do it. I've been extremely happy with mine and I expect it's the last welder I'll ever buy.

Edit to add: be careful with the 210, it's easy to make pretty MIG welds, which is likely to convince you that you're making good welds. It wasn't until I took a short class and started looking at my cross sections that I realized they weren't very good. Just don't let it get you over confident.

I love my Lincoln 210 MP. I don't use it often enough to remember the set ups. The way the Lincoln 210 MP walks you through the set up is just the ticket for me. Also you can buy the TIG set up on ebay from USA Weld cheaper than you can buy the Lincoln kit.

All positive feedback, especially in the areas I care for, thanks

 

[drsung]

Can anyone tell me what the 220 requirements are for this machine? I have a 30 Amp 10 Gauge wire running to my garage. I plan on installing a small sub panel and run a circuit for a welder and a 220 compressor. They won't both be in use at the same time.

What plug is on the 220 cable?

 

[MJD1]

It's a typical 6-50r plug that is pretty exclusive to welders. I would think a 30 amp 220 circuit would be fine , depending on length.

 

[Rlfd213]

I got one of these in march of 2015 and it is awesome. Very user friendly and easy for me since I'm not a welder.

 

[trx125]

I have had mine since August and love it. I use mine for working in the field out of the back of my truck and in my garage. I have used it for everything from light fab work to bigger heavy duty projects. I use mine on 120v most of the time and made a special heavy duty 10ga extension cord 75' to use when I just need that extra reach. It's nice to be able to go from mig to stick depending on the situation with only a lead change and resetting the machine in under 5 minutes without having to have to different machines. It's really portable with a smaller gas bottle and does everything I need to do and more. I built a light weight cart for it that holds all my basic welding tools and it is easy to transport in the back of my truck. You won't regret it, if you purchase one.

 

[FMC1959]

Thanks for all the feedback, anything on GJ and reviews elsewhere on the web, all very positive. I went and ordered one last night and can take advantage of the Lincoln 10% mail in rebate.

I looked at a few YouTube videos and the machine looks to have the simplicity for the user, yet very capable of tackling many welding tasks well. If ever in the future I decide to get into TIG, this machine seems quite capable, but I will decide when the time comes if getting the TIG attachments or a dedicated TIG machine is better.

Time will tell but I think I will be very happy with this machine and probably looking for more things to weld.

 

[trx125]

I love mine.

 

[netcaretaker]

I looked at both the Lincoln and the Miller, and got the Millermatic 215, one main reason was it has 2 gas valves on it so I can keep the co2 and argon for tig both hooked up at the same time. Everything is about the same - duty cycle, amps, etc.

Just got it, will let you know how it welds. I replaced my Lincoln 140 with it, just like you are thinking about.

 

[Thumper68]

Here is my first impressions video of it, it shows how easy it is to set up right out of the box.

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[FMC1959]

Here is my first impressions video of it, it shows how easy it is to set up right out of the box.

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This is you on the video? I just saw it 2 days ago, good video, helped in making my decision to go ahead with this unit. (I gave it a thumbs up)

 

[FMC1959]

I love mine.

 

[FMC1959]

I looked at both the Lincoln and the Miller, and got the Millermatic 215, one main reason was it has 2 gas valves on it so I can keep the co2 and argon for tig both hooked up at the same time. Everything is about the same - duty cycle, amps, etc.

Just got it, will let you know how it welds. I replaced my Lincoln 140 with it, just like you are thinking about.

I am sure the Miller 215 is an excellant machine, but for me, the right fit was the 210MP. I won't know for sure till I get it and use it, but I had been reading about it for a while and good features, lots of good reviews and nothing really bad was said about it.

The Miller might be every bit as good, or better, but for me, I have CDN $$$. The 210MP goes for $1595 in Canada or higher. With my Canadian Tire card I was able to get it for that price, with 24 months no interest + because I got it before Jan 6, I get the 10% mail in rebate check (about $160) + On my card I also get 3% back (about $50) in Canadian Tire money.

Also, I often buy in the US when it is cost effective, but with the exchange, it would have been about the same.

All this help make it possible because I didn't have $1500 I could use right now for this kind of expense.

 

[Thumper68]

This is you on the video? I just saw it 2 days ago, good video, helped in making my decision to go ahead with this unit. (I gave it a thumbs up)

Yes tHat is me, thanks for the kudos...

 

[BCreekDave]

I got mine about 6 months ago and so far love it. The only negative I can think of is with any extra technology comes extra risk. If the display or control board ever craps out I'm sure it will be expenses be and eventually unfixable due to no parts. Hopefully Lincoln designed it right and we won't have any problems. I wish there were fully manual controls in addition, but this would probably add significant cost.


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[trx125]

I got mine about 6 months ago and so far love it. The only negative I can think of is with any extra technology comes extra risk. If the display or control board ever craps out I'm sure it will be expenses be and eventually unfixable due to no parts. Hopefully Lincoln designed it right and we won't have any problems. I wish there were fully manual controls in addition, but this would probably add significant cost.


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What on here can't be manually set? I use the quick set up, then dial everything in manually. I really don't change much from the quick setup except slow the wire speed some for downhill or bump the voltage a tad when needed. Just curious, if you mean a choice on the first screen for full manual setup/auto settings.

 

[Thumper68]

I got mine about 6 months ago and so far love it. The only negative I can think of is with any extra technology comes extra risk. If the display or control board ever craps out I'm sure it will be expenses be and eventually unfixable due to no parts. Hopefully Lincoln designed it right and we won't have any problems. I wish there were fully manual controls in addition, but this would probably add significant cost.


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I can still order new parts for my 25+ yo Idealarc sp250

That is one of the major reasons to go with one of the big 2, Red or Blue.

 

[BCreekDave]

I can still order new parts for my 25+ yo Idealarc sp250

That is one of the major reasons to go with one of the big 2, Red or Blue.

Hope you are right! Unfortunately, in today's society "technology" is being increasingly equated with "disposable". Thought I read somewhere that a "lifetime guarantee" is now being interpreted by the courts to mean 5 years.

 

[netcaretaker]

It was higher then the Lincoln, but Miller had a 400 dollar back sale when lincoln had the 10% off sale, so it was kind of a wash for me. I know the exchange rate can really **** so I am glad you got a good deal.

Good luck with the welder, I am sure it will be great!

 

[WittHay]

You made a good choice in welders. The welds look good, It is easy to use and portable.

We trust it to weld everything from hay elevators made from thin aircraft tubing to attaching winches and hooks to semi-trailers.

We have found the Lincoln mig wire, made in Canada works the best.

 

[ADSR]

Yes tHat is me, thanks for the kudos...

You're costing members here a lot of money. Nice work!