LineX Flooring

[jdaallen]

I was watching Speed Channel's coverage of 2010 SEMA show. They had a segment at the LineX booth and LineX introduced a garage floor application. Looked pretty cool. Just wondering if anyone here has had it installed yet? I have been using LineX for years on truck beds and equipment surfaces with great luck. The stuff is vertually indestructable. If their garage floor is anywhere close to as good, it'd be great.

 

[holland_patrick]

For some more info directly from their web site..

FLOORING APPLICATIONS
ASPART-X™ IC-320 is the latest innovation from LINE-X® Protective Coatings. A ZERO VOC, aliphatic polyurea, ASPART-X provides superior U/V stability with excellent color and gloss retention. It is a versatile coatings solution with virtually limitless possibilities. From residential decks, patios, garage/basement floors - or commercial & industrial applications - ASPART-X provides unsurpassed performance. In Combination with other products in the LINE-X family, ASPART-X creates a tough, durable, U/V stable topcoat. No matter what your needs, your ASPART-X application will protect your investment for years to come.

 

[jdaallen]

Yes, been there and seen that. Just looking for someone that has personal experience with the product.

 

[Cruzin90]

I have personal experience with it, how can I help you.

 

[jdaallen]

I have personal experience with it, how can I help you.

Just wanting opinions from someone who has had this flooring installed and what they think of it now. Advantages, Disadvantages ect. ect.

 

[Cruzin90]

I'm a LINE-X dealer, so you might think I'm a bit biased.

If you're thinking or hoping it's like the bedliner product, it's not at all. Aspart-X is just a solvent free polyaspartic. The product was introduced last June. I visit the private LINE-X dealer forum every day and I can tell you that no one has reported any problems with the product.

It does have an odor (non-toxic and not unpleasant) that takes a while to go away. Seems like each day the odor is less and will eventually totally go away.

If you want give me your email, I'll send you the technical data sheet for the product (pdf file). If you wish, you can give it to me via a private message.

Boring colors, but the customer wanted the floor to have a concrete color look. The job was about 800 sqft in a $million+ home.

 

[Relie]

What about cost for a 24x40 garage?

 

[GirlnAgarage]

Having LineX Xtra in my truck I gave gouged it here and there hauling heavy metal items from the edges. Does the AspartX have the same physical qualities as the LineX in the truck? I'd hate to gouge up a floor dragging heavier items. What can you tell me about that?

 

[AMarkham]

What about cost for a 24x40 garage?

I called my local Line-X dealer the other day and they quoted me around $6.50 a square foot.

 

[Cruzin90]

Dealers are free to set their own prices, so prices will vary. To find the dealers in your area, go to linex.com and use the dealer search function.

 

[Cruzin90]

Having LineX Xtra in my truck I gave gouged it here and there hauling heavy metal items from the edges. Does the AspartX have the same physical qualities as the LineX in the truck? I'd hate to gouge up a floor dragging heavier items. What can you tell me about that?

You certainly need to choose a product that fits your needs and budget. If the typical LINE-X bedliner product (XS-100) does not work for you, you need to move up to the XS-350 product that has about three times more tear strength.

For a flooring product, you can gouge a polyaspartic as well as epoxy, VCT tile, and even uncoated concrete.

 

[kywildcat]

I called my local Line-X dealer the other day and they quoted me around $6.50 a square foot.

WOW.......I hope that was installed and washed out about once a month!!!

 

[GirlnAgarage]

You certainly need to choose a product that fits your needs and budget. If the typical LINE-X bedliner product (XS-100) does not work for you, you need to move up to the XS-350 product that has about three times more tear strength.

For a flooring product, you can gouge a polyaspartic as well as epoxy, VCT tile, and even uncoated concrete.

I feel you've taken a defensive tone about what I asked. It was not my intention to make it sound as if I was displeased. I'm 100% certain I selected the proper product for what I use it for. The bedliner is installed in a 2500 pickup truck doing minimal hauling and no towing duty at this time. LineX specifically marketed this product for the application, a pickup truck bedliner. For $700 out the door (I got the Xtra), I'm taking LineX's word for it. Is hauling a full replacement bumper one time too much for the basic LineX product? I, and hopefully LineX, would think not.

Get this straight, I'm not ragging on LineX. Matter of fact I like the product comparing it to other products in its market. I've got an idea of what I can and cannot do over the bedliner. I'm mindful of how I load or unload depending on the item I'm carrying (especially after that bumper). I simply want to know if the qualities between the bedliners and the floors are different. If so, how? You mentioned tear strength. How is AspartX different on a practical use level? I'm merely doing research to determine what product would be a good choice for my needs and budget, as you suggested on the bedliner. Because I know through experience what the bedliner is doing in my truck, I'm looking for comparisons on the AspartX. Comparing material specs sheet is one way to do it (haven't looked for those yet. Are they publicly available?). Having never felt or seen the flooring application I'm asking about practical use questions.

Will dragging 200lb metal items over the floor tear it up? Would it be more of being careful not to drag corners or edges? How does the floor stand up to welding/grinding being done over it? Nothing production, just home hobbyist.

Is the floor repairable or would it need an entire pull up and redo?

Edit:
I hope I'm not hijacking the thread so I apologize to the OP if I am. Since the LineX guy enthusiastically chimed in on his product, I figured he'd be ready to answer some questions about it as it pertains to the OPs inquiry, garage flooring.

 

[Cruzin90]

I can see how you might have taken my response as a defensive comment, but it really wasn't meant to be. The points I made are true and very important. LINE-X has twenty or so products. We try our best to fit the product with the customers' particular use.

Hauling a replacement bumper should not have damaged the bedliner in my opinion. Perhaps it was applied too thin? There should be at least 125 mils on the bed's floor. I suggest you take it back to the dealer and let him take a look at it to see if he identifies any problem. I've had customers tell me they've dragged 2,000 pounds across XS-100 with no problems. Since LINE-X has a very good warranty, chances are the dealer will fix it for free.

As mentioned, I'll be happy to email the Aspart-X technical data sheet to anyone who wants it. That's a good way to compare products. Just be sure the test results are from the same ASTM test method.

If you are looking for a garage floor coating that won't gouge under any condition, I don't think a polyaspartic or epoxy is for you. In general, these products are well suited as a flooring product, but to tell you that they can't be damaged or gouged would not be a truthful statement.

My opinion is that dragging 200 pounds across a polyaspartic floor would not damage it. Aspart-X's tear strength is 320 pli (ASTM 624), tensile strength is 2,500 psi (ASTM D412), and elongation is 73% (ASTM D412). It's probably a good idea to avoid sharp corners with excessive force.

Aspart-X is extremely easy to repair: Clean, scuff with 80 grit, clean again, reapply a clear coat. If the damage is deeper than the top clear coat (...or would that be "clear top coat" ? HA!), use the same method and replace the layers.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, I don't see a temperature tolerance listed, but I'm guessing it's around 200 degrees F. So, welding may not be a good idea with this type of floor.

 

[GarageEnvy]

I strongly considered doing this for my floor. The lack of a track record was a bit concerning for me and at the time I considered Wolverine (Alpha Garage) the high water mark for my budget and quality. My local dealer wanted $4.68 per square foot or $8,200 total for my 1800 sf space. Way out of my league but it's also not fair to compare to DIY because it did include all the prep. I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here but I did contact Cruzin90 to purchase the product as a DIY install and the price was just slightly higher than Wolverine.

 

[jdaallen]

I feel you've taken a defensive tone about what I asked. It was not my intention to make it sound as if I was displeased. I'm 100% certain I selected the proper product for what I use it for. The bedliner is installed in a 2500 pickup truck doing minimal hauling and no towing duty at this time. LineX specifically marketed this product for the application, a pickup truck bedliner. For $700 out the door (I got the Xtra), I'm taking LineX's word for it. Is hauling a full replacement bumper one time too much for the basic LineX product? I, and hopefully LineX, would think not.

Get this straight, I'm not ragging on LineX. Matter of fact I like the product comparing it to other products in its market. I've got an idea of what I can and cannot do over the bedliner. I'm mindful of how I load or unload depending on the item I'm carrying (especially after that bumper). I simply want to know if the qualities between the bedliners and the floors are different. If so, how? You mentioned tear strength. How is AspartX different on a practical use level? I'm merely doing research to determine what product would be a good choice for my needs and budget, as you suggested on the bedliner. Because I know through experience what the bedliner is doing in my truck, I'm looking for comparisons on the AspartX. Comparing material specs sheet is one way to do it (haven't looked for those yet. Are they publicly available?). Having never felt or seen the flooring application I'm asking about practical use questions.

Will dragging 200lb metal items over the floor tear it up? Would it be more of being careful not to drag corners or edges? How does the floor stand up to welding/grinding being done over it? Nothing production, just home hobbyist.

Is the floor repairable or would it need an entire pull up and redo?

Edit:
I hope I'm not hijacking the thread so I apologize to the OP if I am. Since the LineX guy enthusiastically chimed in on his product, I figured he'd be ready to answer some questions about it as it pertains to the OPs inquiry, garage flooring.

WOW!!! Chill out man!!! There was nothing "defensive" about his "tone". He just responded to your questions. Nothing to warrant your combative response. Life's too short!!!

 

[GirlnAgarage]

WOW!!! Chill out man!!! There was nothing "defensive" about his "tone". He just responded to your questions. Nothing to warrant your combative response. Life's too short!!!

Thanks for jumping in.

 

[jdaallen]

hey Cruzin90,
Does the AspartX bond to the concrete or is laying on the surface?

 

[GirlnAgarage]

I can see how you might have taken my response as a defensive comment, but it really wasn't meant to be. The points I made are true and very important. LINE-X has twenty or so products. We try our best to fit the product with the customers' particular use.

Hauling a replacement bumper should not have damaged the bedliner in my opinion. Perhaps it was applied too thin? There should be at least 125 mils on the bed's floor. I suggest you take it back to the dealer and let him take a look at it to see if he identifies any problem. I've had customers tell me they've dragged 2,000 pounds across XS-100 with no problems. Since LINE-X has a very good warranty, chances are the dealer will fix it for free.

As mentioned, I'll be happy to email the Aspart-X technical data sheet to anyone who wants it. That's a good way to compare products. Just be sure the test results are from the same ASTM test method.

If you are looking for a garage floor coating that won't gouge under any condition, I don't think a polyaspartic or epoxy is for you. In general, these products are well suited as a flooring product, but to tell you that they can't be damaged or gouged would not be a truthful statement.

My opinion is that dragging 200 pounds across a polyaspartic floor would not damage it. Aspart-X's tear strength is 320 pli (ASTM 624), tensile strength is 2,500 psi (ASTM D412), and elongation is 73% (ASTM D412). It's probably a good idea to avoid sharp corners with excessive force.

Aspart-X is extremely easy to repair: Clean, scuff with 80 grit, clean again, reapply a clear coat. If the damage is deeper than the top clear coat (...or would that be "clear top coat" ? HA!), use the same method and replace the layers.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, I don't see a temperature tolerance listed, but I'm guessing it's around 200 degrees F. So, welding may not be a good idea with this type of floor.

Thanks Cruzin90

I expect there's not much if any floor that wouldn't get dinged up from hard use. It was to what extent was the question mark. I can drop stuff with the best of them

For welding I was thinking along the lines of holding up to sparks or slag that fell to the ground. I suppose that stuff would just keep making burn marks so a drop cloth would probably be necessary.

I apologize that I bit another hole in yer ****. Between me toying online I halfway work and get wound up then don't read straight.

 

[jdaallen]

Thanks for jumping in.

 

[Cruzin90]

hey Cruzin90,
Does the AspartX bond to the concrete or is laying on the surface?

Assuming the concrete is properly prepared by grinding, about 2 or 3 mils of the first coat would penetrate into the concrete and achieve mechanical bonding.

In most cases, no primer is needed. However, we do have one for those rare cases. (The same primer is used for other elastomers.)

I suspect that welding slag would burn Aspart-X. We do have two fire rated products though and both can be applied to virtually any substrate:

XS-152: Has delayed ignition. It will burn with extensive flame exposure, but will self extinguish when the flames are removed.
XS-252: Will not ignite.

 

[Beason]

what is the texture like? Slippery when wet?

 

[Cruzin90]

I'd say it depends on how you want to finish out the floor. If you don't want full broadcast chips, then it could be slippery when wet. Full broadcast will make it less slippery. You can alway add no-slip microspheres which are added to last coat. The microspheres come in different sizes, so you can get pretty aggressive if you wish.

I prepared this today. It's a temporary floor for a freight elevator in a commercial buildging. Per their request, I added some no-slip. The substrate is medium density fiberboard ("MDF").

First coat.

Second coat in black was applied as a tak coat. Then, the chips were thrown on it.

Loose chips were removed, the surface was scrapped, and two top coats were applied (the last with no-slip).

The no-slip microspheres come in several sizes. (No, this is NOT a drug pic!)

Just for fun, a few more pics.

Chip samples.

Fan includes a quartz floor samples.

 

[Beason]

Whats the durability of this and how often would this need to be replaced? Thinking of putting it in a 8000sq ft hangar.

 

[Cruzin90]

Sorry for the delay. For the typical garage floor, I'm confortable saying about 20 years. For the hanger, I suppose you could determine if that particular hanger would get more or less activity than an average garage floor and sort of figure it from there.

 

[jdaallen]

It's been awhile?? Any updates on product performance?