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Want to setup 2 compressors. 80 gallon main compressor and a 60 gallon "auxiliary".

Main unit 150/175 on/off, aux 135/150.

The idea being using the main compressor 99% of the time and the aux if the main can't keep up.

I had planned to tie into the aux from a second fitting, so the tank acts as a 2nd cool down/moisture collector but realized it only has one

There a good way to do this? If it wasn't a pressure vessel it'd be easy enough to add a fitting, but it is, so....
 
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I used a T fitting to tie my 10 gallon portable tank into my compressor. One side has a shut off valve and a male high flow quick connect, the other side has a female high flow quick connect. So it can sit in line and be used for extra capacity, or it can get filled up and taken to fill a tire or whatever else I need a little air for. I also put a schrader valve in a female quick disconnect. It keeps me from dumping the tank if I bump the shut off valve on accident, and in a desperate situation it offers a lot of option for filling the tank.
 

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T isn't going to flow into the 2nd tank like I'm talking about.
And that would matter because ....

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I had planned to tie into the aux from a second fitting, so the tank acts as a 2nd cool down/moisture collector but realized it only has one

I guess that's why it would matter to you, but I don't think there's going to be a way to do what you want. A tee would let you run both on the same system to keep up with higher cfm loads.

You could perhaps add an auxillary tank to accomplish what you want, but keep in mind that will tax your compressor more & perhaps exceed it's duty cycle.
 
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If the tank only has one port total, then no. You may not safely add another port. Usually, there are at least two ports, one for the inlet and one for the outlet. I don't believe I have ever seen a compressor with only one.
A bigger problem might be the pressure rating on the auxiliary tank. If it is only rated for 135 psi, I would not want to pump 175 into it.
 
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If the tank only has one port total, then no. You may not safely add another port. Usually, there are at least two ports, one for the inlet and one for the outlet. I don't believe I have ever seen a compressor with only one.
A bigger problem might be the pressure rating on the auxiliary tank. If it is only rated for 135 psi, I would not want to pump 175 into it.
It has the pump input, but that's just a small aluminum line with I think non standard fittings. Would need to tie in between the tank and check valve too.

Never said the tank was rated for 135, no idea where that's from. It's a normal 200 psi rated tank... at 400*

I said I'd set the pressure switch to on at 135, off at 150.
 
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so then plumb into the tank drain valve with a tee . reinstall the drain on the bottom, take your air off the top fitting. may not be a perfect solution, but it gives you what you want.
Tank drain is only 1/4".
 

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No big issues assuming both tanks and blow off valves are rated for the max pressure you want to run. It's always possible to lower the cut in/out pressures on the higher pressure tank to match the smaller one. The big thing to watch for is which pump is going to do the most work. In a sophisticated setup you might have a controller that staggers which pump cuts in first and uses both pumps every time. However, with the basic setup consider two cases.
Case 1, low draw. In that case which ever pump cuts in at the higher pressure will do 100% of the work to fill both tanks.
Case 2. high draw. In this case the higher pump turns on but it still can't keep up with flow. Thus, even though it's running both tanks continue to drain until the second pump kicks on. Now both pumps work until the one with the lower cut out pressure trips. Then the one with the higher pressure will finish the job.

So if we assume both compressors are safe to 175 psi here is your setup.

System fills to 175 psi. You run something that doesn't draw much air and the system drains to 150 psi. At this point the main pump turns on and refills 140 gallons to 175 psi.

Now you attach the sand blaster. The system draws down to 150 psi and the main pump kicks in. However you keep things up and draw the system down to 135 psi. Well if you stop, the main pump will again work to fill up the 140 gallons. Not really an issue if it's 100% duty cycle rated. Keep sand blasting and the little pump will kick in at 130. Now both will run until you get to 150 psi but the main pump will still be the only pump for the rest of the job.

My feeling is with this setup you will run on the main pump most of the time. However, if you could adjust the in/out pressures (most switches will allow this) to something like 135/155 for the main and 130/150 for the secondary then you are a lot more likely to operate in "Case 2" where the pumps better share the load. Also, if you are starting the whole system from 0 psi you probably want a way to turn the pumps on with a slight stagger so both don't start at the same time.
 
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No big issues assuming both tanks and blow off valves are rated for the max pressure you want to run. It's always possible to lower the cut in/out pressures on the higher pressure tank to match the smaller one. The big thing to watch for is which pump is going to do the most work. In a sophisticated setup you might have a controller that staggers which pump cuts in first and uses both pumps every time. However, with the basic setup consider two cases.
Case 1, low draw. In that case which ever pump cuts in at the higher pressure will do 100% of the work to fill both tanks.
Case 2. high draw. In this case the higher pump turns on but it still can't keep up with flow. Thus, even though it's running both tanks continue to drain until the second pump kicks on. Now both pumps work until the one with the lower cut out pressure trips. Then the one with the higher pressure will finish the job.

So if we assume both compressors are safe to 175 psi here is your setup.

System fills to 175 psi. You run something that doesn't draw much air and the system drains to 150 psi. At this point the main pump turns on and refills 140 gallons to 175 psi.

Now you attach the sand blaster. The system draws down to 150 psi and the main pump kicks in. However you keep things up and draw the system down to 135 psi. Well if you stop, the main pump will again work to fill up the 140 gallons. Not really an issue if it's 100% duty cycle rated. Keep sand blasting and the little pump will kick in at 130. Now both will run until you get to 150 psi but the main pump will still be the only pump for the rest of the job.

My feeling is with this setup you will run on the main pump most of the time. However, if you could adjust the in/out pressures (most switches will allow this) to something like 135/155 for the main and 130/150 for the secondary then you are a lot more likely to operate in "Case 2" where the pumps better share the load. Also, if you are starting the whole system from 0 psi you probably want a way to turn the pumps on with a slight stagger so both don't start at the same time.
Correct. 2nd tank mostly for air storage/cooling and backup if needed.

A few cases where they could start at once I suppose, but that's only equal to an 8hp motor starting.

I have a roll of I think "Ramapo" 2-2-2 AL URD I might use. It's leftover from the meter to shop panel connection.
I'll have to run an additional ground wire but no big deal.

Was told it's good for 165 amps direct buried, 120 amp in conduit.

Probably run a 60 or 80 amp breaker. Just the compressors, 2 boilers drawing maybe 15 amps combined, couple lights, maybe an outlet just in case, that's it.
 
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Tank drain is only 1/4".
Try it anyway. If it doesn't work you'll be be out less than $10 in fittings, and it might work just fine. My two compressors are tied together via the traditional T but I considered T'ing off the drain valve of one tank then decided it was more work than I wanted to do since I already had a 1/2" T plumbed in on the wall.
 

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The outlets of both are either 1" or 3/4"
But if the inlets of the tools are 1/4" you should be fine unless more than one person is using air at the same time, but even then or with tools with a 3/8 inlet it shouldn't get too far behind and the pressure should get equalized within a few seconds of a trigger getting let off. There's no good reason to not try it and really it's the only decent option for the result you are looking for. And if it doesn't work, you wasted a couple of bucks on a 1/4" T and probably a ******.
 
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But if the inlets of the tools are 1/4" you should be fine unless more than one person is using air at the same time, but even then or with tools with a 3/8 inlet it shouldn't get too far behind and the pressure should get equalized within a few seconds of a trigger getting let off. There's no good reason to not try it and really it's the only decent option for the result you are looking for. And if it doesn't work, you wasted a couple of bucks on a 1/4" T and probably a ******.
I'll have to see if there's enough room. The tanks have auto drains.
 

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instead of using the other tank as a moisture collector, I would put a radiator and auto-draining water trap coming out of the compressors before the air gets to the tanks.
 
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instead of using the other tank as a moisture collector, I would put a radiator and auto-draining water trap coming out of the compressors before the air gets to the tanks.
Lot of work when the tanks will do the same. Plus the 50ft of underground line.
 
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