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89GLH

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For those that have applied it, can I run something past you? I'm looking to finish up a car, and just needed some QA on my process. Here's what I came up with so far:

Remove all old seam sealer
Apply POR-15 everywhere seam sealer was
Scuff POR-15 inside the car
Apply seam sealer, allow to dry
Apply Sound Control FIRST, 40-60 PSI
Wait an hour for it to dry, then apply a 2nd coat
Allow 48 hours to cure
Apply Ceramic Insulation, 50-70 PSI

Is my order of operations close?
 
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iajonesy

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Isn't POR-15 a rust " encapsulating " product and not a rust preventer ? I'm not 100% sure but that's my best knowledge on POR products. As far as your coating process I think you are on the money.

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If floors are good I’d por or paint them. All about adhesion between everything you are talking about. I’d read the lizard skin instructions and call them. I’ve seen them applied both ways so not sure which is best. Also have seen it on the floor bottom. You are talking about the interior floor right?


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POR 15 is for rusty surfaces ONLY. Don't put on painted or sanded metal.

I have never had good luck with POR 15. I wouldn't recommend it.
 

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The floor, ceiling, and door skins



Yea you have it right. Make sure you clean the hell out of the tip if you are going to wait and do a second coat. Scuff whatever is under it.


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If there isn't rust skip the POR, as others mentioned its made for converting rust (aka encapsulating). You are better off putting a good key on it and spraying some sealer and in the process putting the seam sealer on. I've never been sure about using the seam sealer my own self but I have seen a lot of high end installations put it on after sealer and then prime and paint but that seemed odd to me the times I have seen it.
 

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I am at the same cross road as you. I contacted Lizard Skin, enclosed is the response I got from them, maybe there is some value in it for you. As a side note I have used POR 15 on the Rustang, pretty much everywhere. I have had nothing but positive results. It's the only paint that I have ever used that stays on my skin for a week.

To Lizard Skin:

Is Lizard skin a proper product for undercoating to seal the underside of a car. I am currently working on a 1966 mustang that is going through a full body rebuild with new floor pan, rear quarters, trunk pan, door skins and am thinking of using the Lizard Skin product for this. Is this an appropriate use of the product. The thermal and noise attenuation are not really a concern to me.

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Doug,
Thanks for your interest in LizardSkin.
We do have two products that will quiet, cool and protect your ride, they do completely different Jobs. I know you mentioned heat and noise is not a concern you will be surprised how much noise and heat these cars draw. When we look at both products and what they do think about some goals for the vehicle and what you want to achieve, you will know it each time you drive the car because those annoying rattles, vibrations, the hollow echo noises are gone and the car will feel 30 to 40° cooler on a nice hot summer day. Floorpan temps greatly reduced.
As a spray-on insulating coating used on many applications were heat is an issue. LizardSkin Ceramic Insulation is the ideal way to stabilize thermal transfer. Unlike more complex insulation options that are pieced together, the coating is a one-part, spray-applied system. Easily applied to irregular surfaces and tight spaces, its water-based formula contains a mix of durable acrylic binders and air-filled insulating/reflective capsules that cure quickly, insulate effectively and minimize downtime from the application.
The coating adheres to most any substrate without the need for a primer with the exception of ferrous substrates and is extremely lightweight. It keeps temperatures more comfortable and stable at minimum thickness (0.5–2.0 mm). LizardSkin Ceramic Insulation is an ideal insulator for a variety of applications example Auto restorations, RVs, ATVs, military transport, emergency vehicles, tractor-trailers, HVAC, Livestock trailers and all other large vehicles and on any substrate were heat is an issue. Applied as a seamless membrane in two or more layers, the coating is non-combustible,
environmentally friendly, No Toxins and easily cleaned with soap and water.
LizardSkin Sound Control (SC) is a spray-applied automotive sound damping coating that is great for reducing exterior noises. It is an advanced, water-based composition of a high-grade acrylic binder with sound-damping particles. It is used by custom car, street rod, truck builders and anyone else who wants to reduce unwanted noise. Being a spray on application it can cover all areas of the Vehicle any uneven surfaces and support structures the more surface you cover the better the performance. It can also be applied to the exterior floorpan being a seamless application it creates a constant moisture barrier and works like an undercoating.
We have learned the more of the substrate that is encapsulated the better the performance. Here’s what we recommend that will give you the best performance out of these products.
Starting with the Sound Control encapsulate the entire interior example firewall, floorpan, ceiling, inside door skins, quarter panels and under the door panels. As an option you can apply to several exterior areas floorpan, firewall, wheel wells (protects from rock staring) and under the hood (CI only). Next we apply the Ceramic Insulation for maximum thermal performance stack the “CI” right on top of the “SC” in the interior firewall, floorpan, ceiling, inside door skins, quarter panels and under the door panels it’s in all the same places the “SC” was applied.
The secondary benefit to these products these products are applied to form a seamless membrane that is a complete moisture barrier so they work just like an undercoated sealing and protecting the exterior substrate. Please let us know if you have any further questions.
Thanks,
Marx Henry

Automotive Specialist
713-465-0304 Office
713-465-0302 Fax
www.lizardskin.com
 
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rpcraft

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I'm very familiar with their products... Each separate component is around 140 bucks for 2 gallons and you have to spray one on top of the other (can't recall which but I think the heat shield goes down first then the sound sheild and you have to make sure you get each coat to a specific thickness so that it will perform as advertised. Not a problem per say but like I said, it's just a lot of money to throw at it and if you don't get it right especially but I guess it is like anything when it comes to risk vs reward. The threat of doing anything wrong or half assed can always cost money. I guess it's a matter of mitigating the potential for screw ups, lol.
 

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I used lizard skin's products on my F350. Some idiot prior to my ownership removed the muffler, cat, and added a 4" straight pipe that exited behind the cab. It was incredibly loud and had an insane drone. An after market muffler helped a little. Lizard skin made the cab livable.

Process looks about right to me.
 

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89GLH - Your Application Process is correct with one tweak: If you are going to apply POR-15 to the vehicle, we recommend that you topcoat it with a primer before apply LizardSkin.

Additional application instructions are available on our website under "Applying the Products".

Mike
 

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POR is best as a stand alone product. It is not designed for top coating with any automotive finishes without use of a binder. I think you would have better results using a good automotive epoxy primer that is designed to be a substrate for topcoats.
 

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POR is best as a stand alone product. It is not designed for top coating with any automotive finishes without use of a binder. I think you would have better results using a good automotive epoxy primer that is designed to be a substrate for topcoats.



Por should be topcoated. It is not uv resistant. Topcoat can be applied in the window or scratch and spray. On new or blasted metal Por has to have an etch done and they have the product for that.
That said in this interior application I would just do the etching primer and paint. Probably about the same cost as the full por application with topcoat


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Sorry to say and maybe I am wrong, but to me it just seems like POR is a waste of time and money.
 
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