Locking lug nut "Emergency" removal socket ?

[Packard V8]

A friend with an old Porsche 911 has lost his magic OEM locking lug socket. The locks are cylindrical with a special/odd pattern on the bottom next to the tapered seat.

I checked at NAPA and their Ken-Tool socket is $75. It's like a female ez-out, with left hand spiral threads inside it to cam onto the lug nut.

Any other suggestions?

If nothing affordable presents itself, I'll be trying 12-pt metric and inch sockets, trying to find one which is a drive-fit on the cylindrical part of the lock.

jack vines

 

[metaleltr]

Craftsman bolt out or lise lug remover. The 12pt sockets will work just fine though.

 

[[email protected]]

Use a 12pt and hammer it on before using a air impact

 

[E.Marquez]

Use a 12pt and hammer it on before using a air impact

THIS ....., I use a cheap off brand impact socket, hammer it on, hit it with an impact, throw away the socket and lug nut.

 

[619DioFan]

I have the set from craftsman ( 3 piece set ) double ended- on end for stripped lug nuts the other for locking lug nuts. works very well.

 

[jhelrey]

Weld a nut to it?

 

[Bjkearns]

I would get on the Porsche forum and see if you could the PROPER socket

 

[Vvmvbb]

I would get on the Porsche forum and see if you could the PROPER socket

Pretty similar advice mostly, but here's a start:

Rennlist


pelican

 

[Nanashi]

In this case use the 12 point hammered on. However for the professional using a twist socket works fast and easy. Plus you make your money back eventually, each lug i take off with one gets replaced with a new lug making me $2 dollars so its not much but tbats $8 a vehical and i saved a tone of time over the other method.

 

[elderstarr]

The one and only good use for this thing. Wheel thieves love em

 

[signcrafter]

Does the lugs stick out of the rim at all? If so use one of these, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CODE0W/?tag=atomicindus08-20. I had success using a craftsman one of them one time on a F250 with locking lugs. If not get a set of these, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000OUUGJG/?tag=atomicindus08-20 or similar. I think HF even sells a set similar.

 

[signcrafter]

The one and only good use for this thing. Wheel thieves love em

I actually have a set of those that I got many years ago from someone. Never even thought to use them for this. Thanks for the advice.

 

[ElectroLight]

I have the set from craftsman ( 3 piece set ) double ended- on end for stripped lug nuts the other for locking lug nuts. works very well.

I bought that set from Sears a few years back. I had a wheel lock on an F150 that was stuck good (distroied the key trying to remove it); maybe on there for 6 years. Tried the socket trick, nogo. One second with these basterds and that sucker was off. Good stuff, made in the USA, at least the used to be...

 

[kiatech]

19mm 12pt might work

 

[djb2]

If it's a one-time thing, H-F sells an inexpensive lug nut remover.

 

[ekeller]

Hammer and old socket. Worked at a junk yard for a few years.

 

[redwrench60]

Air chisel. Cut a notch in the nut then tilt the gun and spin that ***** right off.

 

[Bryanthegreat]

Bought a car without a key. Pounded on a 21MM 12Pt socket it worked better than the removal tools they sell.

 

[fflintstone]

weld a nut to it?

x2 !

 

[Packard V8]

Weld a nut to it?

Mebbe if I had a TIG, but Porsche uses forged aluminum lug nuts.

jack vines

 

[Gotmayhem]

Air chisel. Cut a notch in the nut then tilt the gun and spin that ***** right off.

I've done this before. If it doesn't work at first a little heat usually does the trick.

 

[Bjkearns]

Some of these suggestions are well best saved for Hondas....
Air chisel and welding near expensive wheels=NO

 

[jjjrmx5]

A friend with an old Porsche 911 has lost his magic OEM locking lug socket. The locks are cylindrical with a special/odd pattern on the bottom next to the tapered seat.

I checked at NAPA and their Ken-Tool socket is $75. It's like a female ez-out, with left hand spiral threads inside it to cam onto the lug nut.

Any other suggestions?

If nothing affordable presents itself, I'll be trying 12-pt metric and inch sockets, trying to find one which is a drive-fit on the cylindrical part of the lock.

jack vines

jack, that sounds like the second generation of the OEM lock. The first generation used a lock style flat key that was used to unlock and remove a black cylinder that blocked a socket from being placed on the nut. Remove the sleeve and the wheel nut skinned up for the cylinder buy was the typ. size where it met the wheel .

When the went to the castle/squares and grooves design you need the correct hollow lug "key" that fits."

I suggest you go to the dealer and ask them to remove the 4 offending nuts/bolts (depending upon the year of the Porsche) and then replace them with the standard OEM fastener untill you can suss out which socket key you need (there should be 6 or more variations) .

Hunt that one down via Renlist or any dismantler will have one if you know the key part number.

It's all a matter of cost and finding one to fit, but remember, it's a Porsche. I own one and found out real quick it's a "Pay to play" high perfomance vehicle for a reason.

 

[Jsf721]

Lost mine on a infiniti and part department stocks them

 

[redwrench60]

Some of these suggestions are well best saved for Hondas....
Air chisel and welding near expensive wheels=NO

I am a ninja with an air chisel. I haven't hurt one yet. Only the most deeply recessed wheel lugs foil my well laid plans.......

 

[Wakefield]

Will the removal torque on the problem lug be less if the ones on either side of it are wicked tight than if they are already loose or off?

 

[bart1]

I may have a key if you could PM me a pic of the nut.

 

[metalhead212121]

to all the previous posters..... good luck doing this with a GERMAN SYTLE KEY LOCK! Most of the responses would work on a american/jap car designs.. NOT German ones. When I was at BMW it was air hammer, chisel, swear and then repeat over and over again. Its a long painful and expensive process....

 

[jjjrmx5]

Will the removal torque on the problem lug be less if the ones on either side of it are wicked tight than if they are already loose or off?

Doubtful.

Factory torque specs for most P-Cars are 96 ft/lbs which tend to be on the high end for a road car. Panamera and Cayenne are 118 ftlbs.

I tell the same "trip to dealer" for my VW friends. Worth the trip in the event of a future flat as well even w/RF's.

Once you get one lug/bolt off, the secutiry lug code should be stamped on the side of the bolt head.