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I'm looking at a older Logan/Montgomery Wards 10" lathe, I believe to be a Model 200 or 210. Appears to be a good running example. Has several accessories and attachments. Is it worth $600? I have not run a lathe in over 40 years and looking to buy one to basically play with.
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Does it have a quick change gear box? Not worth that to me if it is a change gear lathe. As to actual value, can't say without knowing exactly what's included, and the condition.
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The lathe has a Jacobs 1/2 chuck for the tail-stock, a (3) and a (4) jaw chuck, tumbler reverse, power cross slide and back gearing system also. A handful of adjustment wrenches are also included. Everything is suppose to work as intended.
That's all I know until I actually look at it.
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Does it have a quick change gear box? Not worth
that to me if it is a change gear lathe. As to actual value, can't say without knowing exactly what's included, and the condition.
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If you can score some tooling so you can 'play' right off the bat w/o spending a bunch of money for tool posts and tools, I'd say you're in the ballpark. Sellers usually take a bit less or add in some extras. Your call.
 
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Thanks,
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If you can score some tooling so you can 'play' right off the bat w/o spending a bunch of money for tool posts and tools, I'd say you're in the ballpark. Sellers usually take a bit less or add in some extras. Your call.
 

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Few things i'd watch out for with this type of hobby lathe:

Figure out if it has tapered roller bearings in the headstock or babbit bearings, i've seen a lot of babbit bearin lathes that have enough play to make getting any sort of decent cut pretty frustrating, and there's not much you can do about it.

The quick change gearbox is very nice to have, even if mostly used for adjusting feed rate for normal turning operations. If the lathe has change gears, make sure the set is complete, as they can be hard to source.

I jumped from a HF benchtop mini-lathe to a Atlas/Craftsman 12x36, to a Leblond Regal, and each set (while costing more money) has made a big improvement in the type of work I can do, and how happy I am with the end product.
 

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If its in decent shape that is a fair price for the Michigan market.
 
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Thanks for all the posts, I'm a rank amateur so it all helps. I'm e-mailed for more info and I'll proceed from there.

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Few things i'd watch out for with this type of hobby lathe:

Figure out if it has tapered roller bearings in the headstock or babbit bearings, i've seen a lot of babbit bearin lathes that have enough play to make getting any sort of decent cut pretty frustrating, and there's not much you can do about it.

The quick change gearbox is very nice to have, even if mostly used for adjusting feed rate for normal turning operations. If the lathe has change gears, make sure the set is complete, as they can be hard to source.

I jumped from a HF benchtop mini-lathe to a Atlas/Craftsman 12x36, to a Leblond Regal, and each set (while costing more money) has made a big improvement in the type of work I can do, and how happy I am with the end product.

The Logan lathe OP refers to has roller bearings in the headstock. It's a real advantage over the old South Bend lathes, in my opinion.

If it's in reasonable shape, the OP will like it. The quick change gearbox would be a deal-killer for me, however. If it didn't have one, I wouldn't consider it. On the other hand, quick change gearboxes are readily available for this lathe, since it was a common add-on item.
 

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I'm looking at a older Logan/Montgomery Wards 10" lathe, I believe to be a Model 200 or 210. Appears to be a good running example. Has several accessories and attachments. Is it worth $600? I have not run a lathe in over 40 years and looking to buy one to basically play with.
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Is it worth $600? Probably. Parts are still available from Logan. You'd be surprised how many of these old dogs are still out there working just fine.
 
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I'm looking at a older Logan/Montgomery Wards 10" lathe, I believe to be a Model 200 or 210. Appears to be a good running example. Has several accessories and attachments. Is it worth $600? I have not run a lathe in over 40 years and looking to buy one to basically play with.
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The S/N should be stamped on the bed (near right hand side). You can date the machine from that information.
 
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The phrase was mentioned by the seller in his ad, To tell the truth, I have no idea what he's implying. Can you tell by a pic if it has a quick change gearbox?
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He means the feed reverse handle.
 

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If you do decide to purchase the lathe make sure all the change gears are there for threading. It can get expensive replacing even a couple of gears. Where are you at in Michigan? I live in Brooklyn.
 

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Get absolutely as much tooling as you can from him for the money. Tooling costs more than the lathe to buy separately afterwards. Some guys keep some tooling when they sell the lathe just to have something to sell later- get him to fork it over if you can.
 

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Another way to look at this is that if you pay 600 for this and use it for some time you can sell it again for the same 600 you paid for it. These old lathes have been perty consistant is price for many years. So a years worth of playing will cost you little. I've had a couple of these lathes and they are a good lightweight machine. Any tooling you build up you keep for the next lathe you get.

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I'm up north. Thanks for the tip.
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If you do decide to purchase the lathe make sure all the change gears are there for threading. It can get expensive replacing even a couple of gears. Where are you at in Michigan? I live in Brooklyn.
 
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Unfortunately other than what I've mentioned, no other tooling comes with it as listed. Thanks for the tip though, I'll watch for this.
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Get absolutely as much tooling as you can from him for the money. Tooling costs more than the lathe to buy separately afterwards. Some guys keep some tooling when they sell the lathe just to have something to sell later- get him to fork it over if you can.
 
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I didn't get a e-mail back with answers to my questions so I made a call to go look at it regardless. Seller is holding it for another individual. :dunno:
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Don't worry about it. There'll be another crops up. You tend to find that the ones you miss work out for the best in the end. Dropping on something you're after can be a bit of a patience game, but it's worth the wait.

With regards quick change boxes, simplicity is one thing they have. Changewheels give you far more scope, however. With a box you're limited to what gears are in there. With changewheels, you're merely limited by the ones you own. Even with lathes that have none with them, you don't necessarily need to go original either when replacing them. Provided you have the correct bore, pitch etc., you can use any gear set. It's only if you have an unusual spec. partial set that you might need to buy original gears.

Tooling, as mentioned earlier, is one thing to really pay attention to. The more you can get with a lathe the better, as tooling can end up costing a small fortune even for basic bits. What was my jobber lathe up until recently is one which I bought mainly for the tooling which came with it, for example. That was worth more than what I paid for the lathe, and the tooling came with it because the seller wanted it all out of the way. Same with the last lathe I picked up too. There was some tooling with it, which is rusty as hell, granted, (mind you, so is the lathe :D), but again, those few pieces in that box would cost more, even if I bought them second hand, than I paid for the lathe.

The lathe itself you may end up selling and upgrading etc., if or when your needs change, but the tooling can readily be kept and used with your next lathe, provided it can take the size of tooling you have. Getting a good selection of tooling with any machine is definitely the part which will save you money in the long run.
 
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Thanks for all the information. Good to know. I'm looking as is my Son who's in a entirely different region so I figure it's just a matter of time.
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Don't worry about it. There'll be another crops up. You tend to find that the ones you miss work out for the best in the end. Dropping on something you're after can be a bit of a patience game, but it's worth the wait.

With regards quick change boxes, simplicity is one thing they have. Changewheels give you far more scope, however. With a box you're limited to what gears are in there. With changewheels, you're merely limited by the ones you own. Even with lathes that have none with them, you don't necessarily need to go original either when replacing them. Provided you have the correct bore, pitch etc., you can use any gear set. It's only if you have an unusual spec. partial set that you might need to buy original gears.

Tooling, as mentioned earlier, is one thing to really pay attention to. The more you can get with a lathe the better, as tooling can end up costing a small fortune even for basic bits. What was my jobber lathe up until recently is one which I bought mainly for the tooling which came with it, for example. That was worth more than what I paid for the lathe, and the tooling came with it because the seller wanted it all out of the way. Same with the last lathe I picked up too. There was some tooling with it, which is rusty as hell, granted, (mind you, so is the lathe :D), but again, those few pieces in that box would cost more, even if I bought them second hand, than I paid for the lathe.

The lathe itself you may end up selling and upgrading etc., if or when your needs change, but the tooling can readily be kept and used with your next lathe, provided it can take the size of tooling you have. Getting a good selection of tooling with any machine is definitely the part which will save you money in the long run.
 
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