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1930artdeco

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Hi All,

I have a shot at buying a early 40's Logan lathe and have one question: I am garage mechanic not a machinist and was wondering what I can use this lathe for. I am trying to decide if the cool factor has gotten ahold of me or I could actually use it.

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Mike
 
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Unless you want to start a new (and expensive) hobby that is only slightly related to your current ones, don't buy machine tools. It takes a significant investment in tooling to use the machine tools, and a major time commitment in learning how to use them.

Before you make the leap, take a beginners course in metal shop at your local community college. If you enjoy the course, it may be worth pursuing the hobby, but always realize that it is a separate and distinct hobby.
 

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make bushings
make/modify/repair shafts and pins
modify pistons (increase dish or reduce dome)
make stainless oven handles to replace the plastic ones
repair garage opener gear shaft (weld up then turn down)
clamp a small wire wheel in it to clean up small things that the large wire wheel on a grinder would grab and destroy
make a steering wheel adapter
make pistons for a steam engine
polish old transmissions shafts
make a prelacement key for an old sytle lock
make anvils for english wheel
make anvils for planishing hammer
make billet aluminum pullies for your car
modify crank shafts (need a larger lathe)
turn drums and rotors (need a larger lathe)
turn flywheels (need an even larger lathe)

Im sure there are other things that Im not thinking of or havent done with a lathe yet

bob
 

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One thing to consider if your going to buy a lathe of that vintage is that if it is in working condition and you don't break it then you can get your money back out of it perty easy. When I started machining as a hobby I wheeled and dealed equipment till I was near to having what I wanted. I never lost money on a machine tool. So if you invest 5-8 hundred bucks in a Logan lathe you will probably be able to pass it on for the same price. If its in the 2k range then you may not. Logan is a good name is the small lathe circles. Logan still supports them and can be found at http://loganact.com/

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If you buy a lathe, invest the time to take a machining class at your local JC. It's fun, but you have to make the time for it.

Buying a used lathe takes some know-how. Many out there have worn ways and when they're worn, they're worn. Very difficult to rehab.
 

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I wish there was a place local to me to take a machining class. i have had to learn by myself, and from books and the 'net.

As others have said, Logan is a good lathe, and you can still get part s from the Logan Actuator Company.

I needed a round-headed 5/8" pin for my mower the other day-it was easy to make it on the lathe.
 
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Go with your gut instincts, if you are good at fabricating, & working in the shop I say it should come fairly natural. I had no machine experience at all other than using a drill press, grinders, etc. & hand tools. But I worked overtime & saved money to buy my Smithy Lathe Mill Drill. It took me longer to find someone to help me get it off the crate & up on the stand than to start making stuff. I had to hire a guy with a wrecker to come in & pick it up & set for me. This was before I built my Gantry Crane.
The only thing I would do different if I had to do it over would be to buy larger machine tools, like a Bridgeport MIll & or Cincinati lathe or Mill etc. The Smithy is just a bit too small & light weight for a lot of things, but I have made lots of stuff with it. Good luck.
 

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Believe it or not this is the first thing I made with my Smithy, it's just more or less a paper weight & I never intended for it to be ran but if I spent enough time I could probably make one run. I just don't have that kind of time anymore it seems. I do hope to one day machine a better pattern so I can have a better block.
 

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Buying a used lathe takes some know-how. Many out there have worn ways and when they're worn, they're worn. Very difficult to rehab.

This is one place where the Atlas excels. I had the ways of a 10" Atlas QC42 reground because of excessive swayback and wear. Because the ways were flat, it made the job much easier than regrinding v-ways. While it wasn't real cheap, it was it was worth it for the accuracy. The grinding shop had a South Bend 9" and a larger lathe bed in the shop being reground when I picked up mine, so it isn't uncommon, and it is possible to regrind v-ways.
 
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The lathe is in really good shape as far as I can tell-minus a brokene gear which can be replaced. But after talking to people and reading hear and there and watching you tube, I am going to pass on it. It apparently came from the local NAVY repair shop and has some tooling to boot. It will be for sale in the next few weeks at the museums rummage sale.

Mike
 

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Unless you want to start a new (and expensive) hobby that is only slightly related to your current ones, don't buy machine tools. It takes a significant investment in tooling to use the machine tools, and a major time commitment in learning how to use them.

Before you make the leap, take a beginners course in metal shop at your local community college. If you enjoy the course, it may be worth pursuing the hobby, but always realize that it is a separate and distinct hobby.

:wtf: Do you care to explain the above as to how it is an expensive hobby and how it is a significant investment :headscrat

A person can probably pick up a small benchtop mill and a small benchtop late for less than you have in hand tools in your toolbox. For less than a grand you can pick up both used if you are in the right location and at the right time.
 

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Lathe and especially mill tooling can be expensive if you have to buy the pieces individually, and new. If you can pick up a good package of a machine and tooling it can be affordable and even inexpensive, but that depends on opportunity and location.

People who sell (and resell) used machine tools, both businesses and individuals, often strip off tooling from package deals they purchase and sell the items piecemeal to bring in more return on their investment. If you can buy a lathe with all the tooling, it can be a bargain, but be aware that missing items can be expensive to replace, depending on how common they are and their desirability in the used market. Case in point, an older Atlas 10" lathe without a quick change gearbox can be bought for $300, but a steady rest for the same machine may sell for $100 on the Bay. A steady rest for an uncommon lathe may not ever be found.

If you are missing a piece of tooling and have a job that needs it you have three options: first, wait for the tooling to become available used at an affordable price, second, buy the tooling at whatever the current market price is, or third, have the piece made by someone with the proper equipment/tooling. For those networked in the metalworking trades, a fourth option is to borrow the tooling, but that depends on personal connections not available to people like the OP. The average Joe has to buy it new.

Kevin, you have worked in the trade long enough that you see bargains that most won't. Even Craigslist is less of a bargain for most listings, and you need knowledge to pick through what is there. Benchtop machines can be bought for modest prices, but have modest capabilities. They work OK within their limitations. They make good beginner machines, especially working with plastic, brass and aluminum. Would you be satisfied with a benchtop machine for your needs? I doubt it.

Any time you have a thousand dollars or more invested in a hobby that isn't your main interest, it can be described as "expensive." I have two lathes, a Bridgeport clone, and a Mill Drill, not counting bench grinders, drill presses, etc. I have a modest amount in purchasing all this equipment, bought most of the tooling used at good prices, and have the experience to use it. I got good deals on the tooling because of networking friends in the trade. I am taking up shop space that cost full price to build. I had to supply enough electrical power to run the stuff, which cost a fair amount, including three phase power to some of the machines. It all adds up. I use them for projects and enjoy them. I could have farmed out everything I have made on them to the local machine shop for not that much more than I have invested, and with fast turnaround. I would rather make the stuff myself as I like to run the machines and enjoy the satisfaction of a job well done. I don't expect to save any money by doing it myself.

By the way, I have the chance to buy a Hardinge LP3 turret lathe that holds tight tolerances for well less than $1,000. It has very little tooling with it. I'm not interested for two reasons. I would have to find and buy the tooling, and I have no real need (or desire) for a production machine.
 

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Kevin, you have worked in the trade long enough that you see bargains that most won't. Even Craigslist is less of a bargain for most listings, and you need knowledge to pick through what is there. Benchtop machines can be bought for modest prices, but have modest capabilities. They work OK within their limitations. They make good beginner machines, especially working with plastic, brass and aluminum. Would you be satisfied with a benchtop machine for your needs? I doubt it.

I think what your description of an expensive hobby is and my definition is totally on both sides of the fence. Granted, some people look at a $100 bill as a lot of money and others look at it as chump change. Myself...I look at it as a lot of money. But today, tooling can be bought cheap, and it can be very affordable for the home machinist if one knows where to look. For mill tooling, there are many companies out there that you can pick up end mills for a few bucks each. If a person can locate a mill and get the vise to go with it, you can get going for around $1000. I look at it as way less expensive that making a car a project, which can really run into the thousands.

Don't take this the wrong way as I'm not trying to start any argument at all, but if one wants to learn machining, they can do it on the cheap if they want. Some of the best looking projects I have seen have come off of homemade machines or cheap Chinese machines. But with that, one has to learn what the machine capabilities are and work from that. Everyone needs to start somewhere, and it can be done and learned without breaking the bank. I've saw way more expensive hobbies than machining. It all boils down to where you shop and how resourceful one is.
 

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But today, tooling can be bought cheap, and it can be very affordable for the home machinist if one knows where to look. For mill tooling, there are many companies out there that you can pick up end mills for a few bucks each. If a person can locate a mill and get the vise to go with it, you can get going for around $1000. I look at it as way less expensive that making a car a project, which can really run into the thousands.

I found that you are partially right in that you can get a mill and a couple of cutters and make chips. But the expense comes in the peripheral equipment needed to support the machine tool. You are nothing if you can't measure the final piece and confirm it is to 'print' . That takes a few bucks to set up for that. You need to prepare your stock for the mill, that may take saws and grinders. In other words you need a shop to support the mill and/or lathe. Shops are expensive.

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I found that you are partially right in that you can get a mill and a couple of cutters and make chips. But the expense comes in the peripheral equipment needed to support the machine tool. You are nothing if you can't measure the final piece and confirm it is to 'print' . That takes a few bucks to set up for that. You need to prepare your stock for the mill, that may take saws and grinders. In other words you need a shop to support the mill and/or lathe. Shops are expensive.

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You can use that analogy with anything you do. From trimming a hedge to building a house. One can keep going down the list until you have a fortune in it.

One doesn't need a shop to be able to support having a mill or a lathe. Sure, you could look at it as needing a bandsaw, cutoff saw, and so on. But for a lathe, one could get by with a sawzall for cutting your stock. As far as measuring, depending on what you are doing, one could get by with a tape measure if need be. Dial calip[ers can be picked up for not too much change. Micrometers can be bought for close to nothing today. Machining is not an expensive hobby unless you don't have the resources to get materials. That is where websites are a Godsend. If one gets signed up to the right site(s), you can get great deals on most anything you need to get started. I've bought complete micrometer sets from 0-6" for $60.00. I've bought another set of Micrometers, brand name from 0"-5", along with a 12" height gage and some other miscellaneous tools for $150. I picked up a 2' square steel surface plate for $35. So it really doesn't take a lot of coin, but it does take some common sense to learn how to use the items acquired. And as I stated before, if you know what you need as far as tooling, there are many places out there today where you can purchase perishable tooling very reasonable.

I'd venture to say that if someone was really die hard on learning to machine and become a machinist, they could get set up and started for around $1500. Granted, at that price, they would have to be resourceful, but it could be done. After they learned the basics, then they could step up with better equipment. When I was starting out in the profession, I had to learn on worn out equipment and this was for a major company. But even though the equipment was on it's last leg, and I always get odd looks with what I say, but you "learn to become one with the equipment". You have to learn what the equipments characteristics are and compensate for it.

So what it boils down to is how much you want to learn and how proficient you want to be. It doesn't take a lot of money, it just takes having some brains to compensate for what you don't have.
 
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