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Fair enough. i guess my point is that I usually don't need the XL length and ratcheting that much on the 9/11 that a regular long DBE wouldn't suffice, or a regular ratcheting combo. The 21 may be helpful, but this set is also much cheaper than any other. So until I needed a XL ratcheting DBE in 21, I would have other tools to get by.

The 15 and 18 are available, and I wouldn't use the foam insert, so no big deal to buy them at the same time. So only 9, 11 and 21 would be skips, for $80ish. Hard to beat that pricing.

Not trying to convince you or others, just pointing out a different viewpoint. Not a professional, so not trying to "beat the clock" with these, but get the best value/$.
 
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Fair enough. i guess my point is that I usually don't need the XL length and ratcheting that much on the 9/11 that a regular long DBE wouldn't suffice, or a regular ratcheting combo. The 21 may be helpful, but this set is also much cheaper than any other. So until I needed a XL ratcheting DBE in 21, I would have other tools to get by.

The 15 and 18 are available, and I wouldn't use the foam insert, so no big deal to buy them at the same time. So only 9, 11 and 21 would be skips, for $80ish. Hard to beat that pricing.

Not trying to convince you or others, just pointing out a different viewpoint. Not a professional, so not trying to "beat the clock" with these, but get the best value/$.
Absolutely, I am happy to grab any deal I can. My only concern is the cost to add the skipped sizes individually. Gearwrench for example charges like $40 per wrench on an individual basis. That is a HUGE cost. All ideas and opinions are welcome, I Am not about polishing my tools, but using the tools I need to get a job done as efficient and as safe as possible. Using that series of extenders on a wrench prompted my decision that it might be time to get more proper tools.

EDIT: I could agree to pass on the 9 and 11, but the 21 is just too commonly used on standard items. I have been able to get by without such a set, so it is not something I would say is a need, it is more of a want to save some time and be safer. I also have no intent on abusing the tools, so if there are tools that are at a cheaper price, great. I just want to have some confidence that they work as intended.

I also just realized that the set I believe you refer to is not a flex wrench. I have the Gearwrench set of those. My specific interest here is the flex head, I would prefer that flex head to be ratcheting, but if for some reason it was not, I would consider it.
 
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You know a GearWrench serpentine belt tool with some pass thru socket can actually solve most of your problems and cost a lot less.
This is of interest to me, as I have the said tool with the flex head ratchet. However, it is short, thus lacking the length giving the access I am in need of. I wish there was a ratchet that was long handle, flex head, and accepted sockets, even like the Astro nano's. I could get by with that setup just fine in most cases.

If there were say a 18 inch tool, with a flex head that accepts a pass-thru or nano socket, I would be a customer on that. Especially since I would not need to rely on separate tools / wrenches. The 3/8 Astro nano's use a 17mm if I recall correctly.
 

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This is of interest to me, as I have the said tool with the flex head ratchet. However, it is short, thus lacking the length giving the access I am in need of. I wish there was a ratchet that was long handle, flex head, and accepted sockets, even like the Astro nano's. I could get by with that setup just fine in most cases.

If there were say a 18 inch tool, with a flex head that accepts a pass-thru or nano socket, I would be a customer on that. Especially since I would not need to rely on separate tools / wrenches. The 3/8 Astro nano's use a 17mm if I recall correctly.
I’m confused. The serpentine belt tool is much longer than these wrenches. You must have a pass thru ratchet.
 
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I’m confused. The serpentine belt tool is much longer than these wrenches. You must have a pass thru ratchet.
I have the Gearwrench 89000. The wrench itself is quite short.

EDIT: I should clarify, with the extension bar included, yes, it is long.
 
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That is part of my point, that is the cost of ONE wrench. Thus the want of a full and complete set. That is half the price of most sets referenced in this thread.
For the larger ones it's a pretty good price. The larger kabo's were never part of a set. Sold as a pair 21x22 & 24x25 or individually like the 27x30mm.

The 2 piece set from Matco was $250ish iirc.


I do wish it was available as a set.
 
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For the larger ones it's a pretty good price. The larger kabo's were never part of a set. Sold as a pair 21x22 & 24x25 or individually like the 27x30mm.

The 2 piece set from Matco was $250ish iirc.
I do see your point here. Larger sizes have crazy high prices. I am not sure why I would want a 25mm though, 24, absolutely. My point is more that I want a set of no skips, to avoid the prices of the missing sizes.
 

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I do see your point here. Larger sizes have crazy high prices. I am not sure why I would want a 25mm though, 24, absolutely. My point is more that I want a set of no skips, to avoid the prices of the missing sizes.
I get it. It'd be nice.


I think I've had to use the 25mm end once or twice on some trucks.

I've even had a couple vehicles where the 27mm would have been nice. I may end up buying the 27x30 one day. My current wrench spot is full though.
 
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I think I've had to use the 25mm end once or twice on some trucks.

I've even had a couple vehicles where the 27mm would have been nice. I may end up buying the 27x30 one day. My current wrench spot is full though.
Wow, where did you use that 25mm, if you can recall? I have a list of uses that are claimed, but I have never experienced one. My notes:

can double as a 1" for rear toe turnbuckles on W-bodies - very rarely used. Cosworth YB-Series engines' Cam Pulley bolts - EGR tubes from the valve and exhaust manifold (they are actually often 1") - Volvo oil drain plugs - Nissan crank bolts

EDIT: Most of my notes come from here, so I claim no rights of original content.
 

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Wow, where did you use that 25mm, if you can recall? I have a list of uses that are claimed, but I have never experienced one. My notes:

can double as a 1" for rear toe turnbuckles on W-bodies - very rarely used. Cosworth YB-Series engines' Cam Pulley bolts - EGR tubes from the valve and exhaust manifold (they are actually often 1") - Volvo oil drain plugs - Nissan crank bolts

EDIT: Most of my notes come from here, so I claim no rights of original content.
Probably suspension on a 2500 or 3500 series pickup truck. I can't recall exactly now.

I use the 21x22 on GM 1500 trucks all the time.
 

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I am looking for opinions on a brand for long flex head ratcheting wrenches. I am not really looking for any certain style, such as having a flex ratcheting end on each side with a different side, having the flex head on one end and a regular box on other of same size, having a flex ratcheting box on one end and an open on the other, etc... as long as they are long pattern wrenches and there is a side for each size that is a ratcheting box end.

I am looking at 10-19mm at a minimum, would like to get a 21mm in there, but from what I see, that is either not possible or is very expensive. I do not want locking flex heads, nice feature to have, but all of them are problematic and weaken the wrench. Reversible is another feature I don't have interest in. I would consider it though if somehow there was no extra cost to the set for it.

I am aware that Gearwrench is a popular set like this and has a generally good warranty, but at a cost of $300, pass. I simply cannot justify that high of a cost unless my need increases. I have needed a set like this (wanted and preferred really) very few times, as I am generally able to work fairly well with the tool assortment I have. For the same reason, I have no interest in brands like Snap-On, Matco, etc that charge the $300 Gearwrench wants for the whole set for one wrench. I exaggerate a bit there but their prices are 2-3x higher from Gearwrench usually.

I have done a good amount of research. I know there is Mountain, which seems to either not be selling them anymore (just NOS), is out of supply due to the supply chain issues, or something. ATD is another brand coming in at $200. Craftsman has a set at $180, but there are missing sizes (like 15, 16, 18mm) so I pass there. Amazon has numerous brands, Orion, ABN, some weird brand names and others, but the reviews stop me quickly. Many complaints, but in fairness, I cannot tell for sure if those complains are user error or abuse... or are they real complains. Just because the wrench is long does not mean the wrench can handle the 2x+ more torque you can generate, even by hand only. This is something I want to be clear on, abuse like that will break even the most expensive wrench. I would also prefer a warranty, but again with this type of wrench, I expect a warranty to about double the cost of the generic Amazon brands, because they need to honor that warranty on a high abuse tool.

My query is too see what others use on the non tool truck brands and what the experiences are. I dont really care what the brand name is or where it was made, I only care that it is a good and proper tool that does not break or fail under proper use.
I didn't read the whole thread yet, but this Gearwrench set is 8mm to 19mm no skips for about $120.00
 

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Here is another recent thread on ratcheting wrenches. Not flex head, but I think the info is still relevant.

 
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That is part of my point, that is the cost of ONE wrench. Thus the want of a full and complete set. That is half the price of most sets referenced in this thread.
That's a good option as I am really looking just for the 21X22.
 

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Many mentioned skips, that is always a concern / bother with me. I never had any luck with sets with skips. I seem to always have the luck of needing one or more of the skips, then being annoyed. I am not a professional, but my use resembles more of an independent shop vs a dealer. I work on all sorts of cars for myself, family, friends and the occasional side job stuff. For me, there is no such thing as an unused size, at least in the 8-19mm range. I would however be just fine if the 21mm size was added as I see that size very often, and I would be ok with skipping the 20mm.



The 21mm is used a LOT, enough that I have multiple 21mm sockets in both 3/8 and 1/2 drive, as well as extra wrenches (duplicates). Used a lot on brakes for me, also suspension components. Just did brakes on a LaCrosse which uses 21mm for the front caliper bracket bolts. The 15 and 16mm are important, 18mm being also common on brakes and suspension. 15mm is used on a lot of random places, drain plugs come to mind. The 9 is big on brake bleeders, so is 11mm, which is also used on battery clamps and interiors. On my cars, I will often crack the bleeder screws when doing other things like an oil change. Not to open it, but just to make sure it moves then retighten it.

Bleeders are a big thing for me, especially in my location. When working on brakes, rust is the biggest factor. I rarely ever do a brake job where the brake pads are worn to the point of needing replacement. It is usually rust jacking, light fractures on the rotors, uneven wear due to frozen caliper pins, pulsating brake pedal complaint, etc. On occasion I see some stuck pistons, and have even seen one that was popped out, this photo is how the caliper came off:

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Given the circumstances of the car shown above, I repaired that caliper, was able to reuse the piston sea and boot, but needed to hone the caliper a bit. For such things, the brake bleeder is required to do such a repair. While most would say that a repair on that is not proper, and I agree, it was done to give the owner time to get a new car, and it worked fine without leaks for a few months before that happened. I shared the above only to show a crazy example on why I like to keep bleeders in good shape, supporting the use for wrenches of this style in 9 and 11mm sizes. For those who are wondering how the above happened, I can only speculate. From what I saw, it seems one of the pads came apart due to rust jacking, and the pad material fell completely out, leaving only the metal backing plate. This caused the piston to extend too far, popping out of the caliper.

It is not about leverage for me with these wrenches, it is about reach. I recently replaced a passenger side Toyota CV and ended up with a setup using a wrench, wrench extender AND a wrench (box end to open end to extend) in order to reach a bolt. It was only a 14mm, but quite hard to get to. Socket use would not work, as space was too limited, I used a standard combo wrench on the fastener. If I had a flex head long wrench, I could have used only a wrench extender and been a lot safer. I don't like using the double wrench trick at all, much less in a series of other things. This CV had the worst damage I have ever seen:

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The bolt I needed to reach was to remove one of the bolts on the carrier bracket that hold/supports the bearing that exists on the passenger side CV. There was no way the CV would slide out, as the Toyota procedures suggest.

I over shared a bit, but I know people here like to see pictures of things :)

EDIT: I did not clean any grease off of that CV, that is what it looked like once I pulled the boot off.
I overshare too. Personally, I'd rather see more than less if it's adding context or interesting situations.
 

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This is of interest to me, as I have the said tool with the flex head ratchet. However, it is short, thus lacking the length giving the access I am in need of. I wish there was a ratchet that was long handle, flex head, and accepted sockets, even like the Astro nano's. I could get by with that setup just fine in most cases.

If there were say a 18 inch tool, with a flex head that accepts a pass-thru or nano socket, I would be a customer on that. Especially since I would not need to rely on separate tools / wrenches. The 3/8 Astro nano's use a 17mm if I recall correctly.
The Gearwrench Serpentine belt tool kit comes with long handle, push the handle into the non ratcheting box end and attach the pass through into the ratcheting end.

I used mine for years as a long handled ratchet wrench on loads of other applications besides belt tensioners until I purchased the Mountain/Kabo set.

The advantage with the Kabo set is they are reversible and all in one piece to speed things up.
 
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The Gearwrench Serpentine belt tool kit comes with long handle, push the handle into the non ratcheting box end and attach the pass through into the ratcheting end.

I used mine for years as a long handled ratchet wrench on loads of other applications besides belt tensioners until I purchased the Mountain/Kabo set.

The advantage with the Kabo set is they are reversible and all in one piece to speed things up.
This for sure can work in many places. It is not as low profile as just the wrench, and is harder to use given the multiple pieces. Same with using wrench extenders and the double wrench trick to get length. It is nice you mentioned this, especially for those who have the tools you mention and either might not realize this potential advantage, or simply forget about it when the need comes up.

I have the Gearwrench 89000 (the flex head kit) and the old GearRatchet branded pass thru socket set, so a lot of neat combinations can be made. I also have an OEMTools solid bar serpentine kit, which when used with a low profile socket makes a nice long pattern wrench, although not ratcheting.
 

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These are my favorite long patterns. Double box end, ratcheting and fixed in same size on each wrench. Break the bolt loose with one side, flip and use the other to loosen the rest of the way

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does it have 15 offset?and seems it has no reverse
 

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can get 25% off ICON this weekend so the better ratchet wrench sets they do by high-five and kabo are worth considering/commiting to, not the deal was couple years back but prices unlikely ever get that good again ...
 

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ls high-five and kabo who makes Icon?
Some of them, will be a mix of partners, taiwan outsource manufacture stages to specialists such as forging specialist, finishing specialist and so forth, high-five for example don't do much manufacture wise in house but they do design and testing ((hold a lot of patents) and use known good partners for manufacture steps .
the long pattern ratcheting combo wrenches (WRM-10 set I got/like) are high-five ratchet design and proper nice (standard open end not the antislip version), was less than 100 bucks in first year they retailing them, use mine professionally and no issues yet .
The long ratchet box end wrenches and the flex head ratchet wrenches with the brass grub screw for the pawl spring are Kabo .
Fair bit of the ICON tools is a good tool and value buy when sale/coupon deal can be had, potential easy current warranty bonus too ...
No idea who using to make ICON sockets and pliers ...
 
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In Taiwan everybody uses everybody else to come up with a completed product. ROTAR does foundry work and specializes in finishing as vibratory polishers are their primary business. TOPTUL's torque wrenches are sourced from Eclatorq for most of their digital models and from somebody else for their clickers. Their automotive specialty tools come from a variety of top tier sources as well. Trading between companies seems like the normal way they do business with each other in Taiwan.
 
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