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I'm in a 15 year old home, 3 car garage (that's what the builder calls it, hahaha) and do a fair amount of steel fabrication and auto maintenance in my garage.

I will be cleaning out the garage this fall and hopefully make it more efficient. I will hire out the coating of the floor and moving my compressor to a permanent location.

I have been looking at the Garage Pak and Rapid Air systems to run aluminum piping and drops where I need them.

Has anybody used these products?, have any input? or perhaps offer any other "safe" alternatives?

Yes, I'm a newb and thanks for your responses!

(Mods, please move if I'm in the wrong forum)

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Hello, do a search on airlines/ air lines.:)

I've done some research in the past and found black pipe, galvanized pipe, copper and PVC options.

Black pipe= too heavy, copper= not in to brazing or soldering, PVC = horror stories and caution.

I guess I'm looking for aluminum type, systems. Are the Gargae Pak and Rapid Air / Air Net systems my only options?
 

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black pipe will aid in condensing the water entrained in the air; take at look aty TIPTOOLS and study their setups. I would apply the cost difference between the two systems to an air drier
 

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I'm in the same boat and i'm going with 1/2" black iron I'm not making a big run and the pricing that i got is very cheap for fittings
 

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www.transair-usa.com
I've used this product for many projects around the state & highly recommend it.
If you are serious about pricing, send me a PM.
Shipping might be excessive to AZ from IA warehouse tho.

Yes, GaragePak is private-labeled Transair.
Parker now owns Legris, which has marketed the Transair name for years.

This product requires NO TOOLS for pipe/fitting installation.
Yes, you have to secure the clamps to the wall/ceiling & the wall bracket terminations.
But all the fittings come out of the box & press on to the powder-coated aluminum tubing.
And you can bend the product around obstacles with a conduit bender.
 
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It's really your own opinion on what is best. We can argue all day that one is better than the other but it comes down to cost, availability, ease of install, etc.

I did black pipe and it's working just fine. Copper pipping and fittings are about 2x the cost.
 
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I've used this product for many projects around the state & highly recommend it.
If you are serious about pricing, send me a PM.
Shipping might be excessive to AZ from IA warehouse tho.

Yes, GaragePak is private-labeled Transair.
Parker now owns Legris, which has marketed the Transair name for years.

This product requires NO TOOLS for pipe/fitting installation.
Yes, you have to secure the clamps to the wall/ceiling & the wall bracket terminations.
But all the fittings come out of the box & press on to the powder-coated aluminum tubing.
And you can bend the product around obstacles with a conduit bender.

Looks good, I see they have a Mesa, AZ location. I'm in Phoenix, are you a distributor in IA?
 

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I believe there was a post about the Parker system installed by a contractor that came loose and did some damage. I am not saying the product is bad but as any thing installed take your time and triple check it before and after pressurizing the system.
Some of the tubing on that system can be out of round and cause some leaks with the o-rings.
If you are concerned about water condensing in your lines make sure you slope your main header back to the tank and support your lines per the manufactures suggestion. That can be one of the problems using pex or rubber hose since it will create low spots in its memory when unrolling it.
You seem to be one step ahead of most living in AZ with the low dew point.
There is another option and that is stainless tubing. A little more than copper but I had plenty of spare fittings and could get the tubing for a great price.
 
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I think anything you buy called a "system" will be overpriced. Aluminum pipe is totally unnecessary and I believe it cost more than copper even though copper is a better heat conductor and a more expensive metal.

Another option is PEX, they make special kind just for air lines in whatever size you want, although it's not metal so the heat won't condense out as well.

Don't even think about PVC. That should be illegal........
 
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I think anything you buy called a "system" will be overpriced. Aluminum pipe is totally unnecessary and I believe it cost more than copper even though copper is a better heat conductor and a more expensive metal.

Another option is PEX, they make special kind just for air lines in whatever size you want, although it's not metal so the heat won't condense out as well.

Don't even think about PVC. That should be illegal........

Never thought about the PEX. I had a bathroom remodeled recently and they used PEX. Aren't there special tools required for the fittings?

Since I'll be routing the lines at the top of the wall and down the center of the garage ceiling, will the material sag between the stand offs?
 
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I think anything you buy called a "system" will be overpriced. Aluminum pipe is totally unnecessary and I believe it cost more than copper even though copper is a better heat conductor and a more expensive metal.

Another option is PEX, they make special kind just for air lines in whatever size you want, although it's not metal so the heat won't condense out as well.

Don't even think about PVC. That should be illegal........

I like the installation ease of the aluminum pipe systems, not crazy about the bulkiness of the connectors, T's, etc. I'd like a more clean look. I believe copper would look the best IMO.

I priced a couple of the aluminum systems and they were around $1000 - $1200 for the small area I'm planning on doing. :scared:

Dang, I just may lay the hose across the floor...:D
 

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If you choose PEX be sure that it's rated for air pressure. There are varieties that are.
 

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If you choose PEX be sure that it's rated for air pressure. There are varieties that are.

There is no difference between air/water or gas pressure...a 100 psi is a 100 psi regardless. You can use Pex water tubing for air line. I also pressurized my water system with air to 125 psi and left it for a month before having it inspected by the building inspector. It will hold....and if Pex fails, it does not cause shrapnel like pvc does.
 

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Since I'll be routing the lines at the top of the wall and down the center of the garage ceiling, will the material sag between the stand offs?

I used Parker Push Lock hose {801-8} & connectors rated at 300psi - with an inside diameter of 0.50 inch. It is flexible, although somewhat stiff. I used Parker's Push Lock fittings as well. Theoretically - it will flow 73+ CFM at 90 psi. {a DA uses 15 CFM and air ratchet uses 5 CFM}.

I ran the line from the top of the 2x4" rafter on the back of the garage - to the bottom of the same rafter at the front of the garage. That give me a little more than a 3 1/2" drop in a 22' run. It was stiff enough that it didn't sag as long as I supported it every 12" to 14". It was quite easy to screw the pipe clips {as used on electrical conduit} in place. You can also just run it though cheap PVC pipe to hold it straight and hid it if you wish...

I installed a 3/4" galvanized pipe on the front wall of the garage to make the drop... where I installed a ball valve as a drain at the bottom. Put a "T" fitting in the middle to run a quick disconnect off of. I used pipe on the wall because that provided a very strong and rigid structure to hold the drain and quick disconnect firmly.

I ran the Parker tubing across the rafter - because it was very quick and very easy for me to do alone. It was also very easy to cut it to the exact length I wanted. Not something easy to do with iron pipe unless you have the tools to cut it and thread it}.

I paid full retail at our local Goodyear Rubber Store - they carry a large variety of hoses, tubing, belts as well as pipe fittings, couplers etc. The Parker tubing was about $3.25 per foot. I bought more than I needed to hook up my compressor at the rear for the garage and make a single run to the front. As I recall I bought 30' just to be sure I didn't have to make another trip... So call it $100.00 for the tubing.

I needed several fittings and connectors... I used Parker's Push Loc on the tubing - plus I needed some adaptors, connectors and 90 degree fitting. The Fittings/Connectors are all high quality brass - and they cost as much as the hose. By the time I left the Goodyear Store - I had spend just under $200.00. I really didn't care - I got everything I needed with one local stop on the day I wanted it. The guys at the Goodyear Store also GAVE me isolation pads for my compressor legs for free...

When I started the "install" - - - I found that I needed a couple pipes from Home Depot and a few fittings/adaptors/connectors - -- So I spent another $75.00 there.. {ball shut off valves, 10" length of pipe, two 24" pipes, T's and adaptors etc}.

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I wanted to run a pipe though a block wall - so the quick disconnect would be on the outside of the garage - for use in the driveway. Doing that I found that I needed a drill bit at least 1 1/8" to 1 1/4" diameter - to drill a hole though the block - so that a 1" iron pipe could be put in place.. My local Harbor Freight Store saved me - a set of 4 12" long masonry bits - including 1 1/8" and 1 1/4" for $6.95 !!

I like the installation ease of the aluminum pipe systems, not crazy about the bulkiness of the connectors, T's, etc. I'd like a more clean look. I believe copper would look the best IMO.

I priced a couple of the aluminum systems and they were around $1000 - $1200 for the small area I'm planning on doing. :scared:

Dang, I just may lay the hose across the floor...:D

I doubt that most people will even notice the "look" at the rafters... I don't know what aluminum systems you looked at - but there are several that sound like they would do the job you want - for FAR less than a $1000.00. If you are talking about thirty to forty feet with a few drops etc.

Rapid Air Kit - on Sale now - $99.00 100' of tubing and two outlets, manifold. NOTE this is NOT the original RAPIDAIR system by Parker. It's a copy, but most likely fine for home use.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200367525_200367525?cm_mmc=Google-pla-_-Air%20Compressors-_-Air%20Compressor%20Accessories-_-490500&ci_sku=490500&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw={keyword}

Summit Racing is another place to try..

FWIW,
Carl B.
 
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Thanks CB, great info.!

My calculations for my garage was 73' of tubing, with (2) drops, (10) or so elbows.
But, I'm reconfiguring it now.
 

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You might want to consider RAPIDAIR
http://www.rapidairproducts.com/choose.asp

I'd consider RAPIDAIR's Duratec.

100' roll of RAPIDAIR 1/2" Duratec is $99.80. Ten Elbows would be $96.00 and a couple of "T" would be another $34.00.

Or RAPIDAIR's Airnet - - Each piece is 3/4" x 8'10" - so you would need say 10 of them - $204.80. 10 Socket Unions would be $122.90. Ten elbows would be another $140.00 - - You'd have $500.00 in that..but that is way less than $1000.00

Download a few of their Excell Based Price Sheets..

FWIW,
Carl B.
 
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You might want to consider RAPIDAIR
http://www.rapidairproducts.com/choose.asp

I'd consider RAPIDAIR's Duratec.

100' roll of RAPIDAIR 1/2" Duratec is $99.80. Ten Elbows would be $96.00 and a couple of "T" would be another $34.00.

Or RAPIDAIR's Airnet - - Each piece is 3/4" x 8'10" - so you would need say 10 of them - $204.80. 10 Socket Unions would be $122.90. Ten elbows would be another $140.00 - - You'd have $500.00 in that..but that is way less than $1000.00

Download a few of their Excell Based Price Sheets..

FWIW,
Carl B.

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Looks like I'm going with Rapid Air, the Duratec looks interestng, didin't notice it when I first went on the site. Thanks for the heads up CB!

I used the spreasheet calculator for the Air Net pipe system and it was 1/2 the price of what the garage Pak system is. So, Air Net it is!
 

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Trans-air HQ is in Mesa, AZ
Yes, I know.

Looks good, I see they have a Mesa, AZ location. I'm in Phoenix, are you a distributor in IA?
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No, not IA. NE.
But our warehouse is IA.

Which is why I noted shipping from IA.
There would have be local distirbutors that you could work with tho.
I was just offering up suggestions for a resource if he didn't have one local.
 

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There is no difference between air/water or gas pressure...a 100 psi is a 100 psi regardless. You can use Pex water tubing for air line. I also pressurized my water system with air to 125 psi and left it for a month before having it inspected by the building inspector.

I understand that pressure is pressure. Standard PEX is rated to 80psi at 200°F and 160psi at 73°F. PEX-AL-PEX is rated for 160psi at 200°F. Air systems can easily reach high temps.

Just because you can pressurize a system for a certain pressure for a few days doesn't mean it's the right tool for the job. Air can be very hot coming right out of the compressor, depending on how it's plumbed.
 

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I used 3/4 black pipe on mine. I only have a 3 car garage, but have about 100' total of piping. I chose it over copper for the heat removal. I have a drop that goes from black pipe to 7/8 soft copper coiled in a bucket for when i paint. Fill the bucket with ice, no moisture at all. I usually just leave water in the bucket for normal latent heat removal.

I thought about using an old a/c condenser coil outside, but the copper in the bucket works great with less non-sense.
 

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At one time or another I’ve had shops set up with PVC, Iron and copper.

PVC, as many others have noted, can be very dangerous; the pipe is not designed to be used with air and has integrity issues with changes in temperature and any exposure to sunlight.

Iron was safe and secure but had several issues: it was a pain to install because we had to thread almost every joint and after about six months started to become a maintenance nightmare as the rust in the lines started causing issues with my machines. Even just using the blow guns was messy with all of the rusty spray going everywhere.

Copper is what I had in my last shop and overall was a good system; secure, safe and while not maintenance free (there were some electrolysis issues) it was a solid system. The only negative things about it were: it was very expensive! That copper’s not cheap and while easier than iron to install it still took a long time to sweat all the joints.

I built a new, and hopefully last, shop a couple years ago and used a new aluminum pipe system that i wish had been available back when i did my first shop. It has all the “pros” and none of the “cons” of every other system I’ve used. It is safe and secure, extremely easy to install (it took a helper and myself less than a day to install air completely throughout my 8000sqft shop), to date I’ve not had any maintenance or contamination issues, and best of all it was inexpensive – especially compared to copper!

If you want to see any pictures of my latest (last, if I have anything to say about it) shop let me know and I’ll shoot you a couple. Here is the place where I purchased my system http://www.speedsourceusa.com/prevost-air-systems.html – They were easy to work with and helped me out with the design layout a lot.

So to boil it all down I’d say no to PVC and Iron and yes to either Copper or Aluminum.
 

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If you are going to go with Speedsourceusa system then you could also look into Stainless. For the cost they are quoting for a 40' run and fittings you could get 3/4" tubing same length and some second hand fittings to reduce the cost and have a system far superior than aluminum.
 

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I used 3/4 black pipe on mine. I only have a 3 car garage, but have about 100' total of piping. I chose it over copper for the heat removal. I have a drop that goes from black pipe to 7/8 soft copper coiled in a bucket for when i paint. Fill the bucket with ice, no moisture at all. I usually just leave water in the bucket for normal latent heat removal.

I would love to hear more about how this is configured. Do you have any pictures of your setup?
 
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