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Looking for a 4 post lift

MesaDE

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Can anyone recommend a quality 4 post lift. It looks like backyard buddy is the one to go with but is also most expensive. The design seems to be the best. Any suggestions? I'm stacking a 68 camaro and a Cobra.

Also, i'm building my garage around my cars and plan on a 6" floor to support my lift...does it need to be 6" thick or will 4" work? Thanks!
 
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I went with the Bend Pak HD9 and have been very pleased with it. The lift is certified by ALI -automotive lifts institute. I like the fact that it has a secondary locking system. This lift does however require an air compressor to release the secondary locks to lower the lift.
 
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MesaDE

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Thanks....do you need to engage the secondary locking system every time, is it automatic, is it optional? Do you recall what you paid for the lift?
 

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Re: Same Situation

I’m in the same situation and had narrowed it down to the BYB and the Rotary Revolution.

Lots of good info on this board…..

asedeals.com has some nice BP’s

Greg Smith has the popular Pro Parks

I’m currently leaning towards the Rotary but will be also taking a second look at the BP and others.

It would be nice to physically see some of these in person

Decision, Decision,

Dave
 

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It amazes me how you and so many others conclude that Backyard Buddy is the best.

It seems you fit the typical consumer and your rationale is based purely on the cost of a product rather than real investigation.

BendPak, Mohawk, Pro-Park and others are much better designed lifts from an engineering perspective - they are better capitalized, with longer histories, larger support capabilities etc.

See here…….Backyard Buddy compared to BendPak

Come November I sure hope the voters of this country do a little investigation and don’t simply follow the other buffalo’s off the cliff.
 

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MesaDE,

Make sure you take the opportunity to look at all the lifts and REMEMBER...you will have will most likely have a nice car on the lift and you will work under it. In my mind, money should not be your chieft concern. Another point - you will most likely only buy one lift in your lifetime so choose wisely. Get something you feel very good about having your prize positions on top of and your life under it.

Revolver - I have to be honest and tell you that after two years of thinking about it and researching the topic to death(as my wife says)...I chose BYB. My personal opinion is that this a reason others feel as if they have to compare their lifts to BYB. But that's just my 2 cents.

Research, review and ask around...then make the choice that makes you feel safest.

Kramer
 

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I love my Direct Lift 8000 that I put my c6 corvette, 2008 Avalanche, 69 custom chevy pickup, etc. I also have the manual jack for $595. With my vette on it with a 12' ceiling I am able to stand up under it.
 

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I have a Direct Lift also from Greg Smith and have been very happy with it (2 years now). My Dad has a BYB (for approx. 7 years) and has been happy with it as well.
 

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what ever each person has, they will usually say it's the best... do alot of reserch then decide.. i was going to go with the direct lift and ended up going with a dannmar lift for almost $800.00 less... check costco.com and in the search box type in dannmar... you'll be surprised, i was
 

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Went to a car show where BYB had a lift and some others...Now have a BYB...
 

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MesaDE - I must say that I had also always thought that the BYB was the best unit out there. It's always been the most expensive (so I thought it was the best out there). I was even sold on their column design. However, just like buying TV's or any other major purchase, I decided to open my eyes to other products and did some research.

BYB may have been a fine product back in the day but there's been many advanaces in lifts (just like anything else). I went with a BendPak HD-9 (9K four post lift) and a BendPak RJ-45 (4,500 lb) rolling air jack and must say that this set up is not only cheaper than one BYB lift, but is also much safer.

BYB does not make a certified lift product. You really owe it to yourself to ensure that you get a lift that's been certified. The BendPak HD-9 series is certified. This is not just propoganda. It cost MFG's money to get their lifts certified and as a result you can bet that only lifts deemed worthy of the final certification stamp are presented. The certification gives you an unbiased review by an outside company. Keep in mind that all MFG's express that their lift is the best so the only thing that does make them stand out is this certification, and they all respect it.

Safety - BYB lifts do not incorporate additional safety locks. This is a BIG deal. If any of your cables ever break while under pressure (while the lift is going up or down) or say a cable goes slack because it get's caught up on a bolt or column, guess what will happen? That one column will now no longer be able to support the weight of your car (just like if you removed a leg from a four-legged table). Your vehicles weight will now shift towards that one column and the momentum will cause all of the weight to transfer and cause the lift to collapse. I'm not trying to scare you here, this is reality and can occur if the cable is ever tangled or simply breaks/stretches. On all BendPak Hd-9 series lifts, there's actually a cable slack monitor in place (on each column) that keep's the secondary safety locks disengaged only while the cable has proper tension on it. If for any reason, the cable loses tension (say if the cable breaks or gets tangled up) and slack is now introduced, a secondary lock (with two prongs) engages into the column automatically. This is a margin of safety that really shouldn't be ignored. Why would you not want this on you next lift?

To all the BYB owners out there. I'm not knocking your purchase decision. I'm just pointing out that there's been a lot of advances since the BYB design came out. Do keep in mind that the BYB lifts have not changed since they were first introduced as I have not seen any new designs, like with other MFG's.
 
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I am picking up a Direct Lift 8P this w/end. Certified and will let you know what I think after Saturday.
 

jimval

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I went with a BendPak HD-9 (9K four post lift) and a BendPak RJ-45 (4,500 lb) rolling air jack and must say that this set up is not only cheaper than one BYB lift, but is also much safer.

What makes you qualified to make this decision? Are you a licensed professional engineer? If you do have the required background, do you have access to all the design documents so that you can perform the required engineering analyses on ALL the lifts?

You really owe it to yourself to ensure that you get a lift that's been certified.

This is a personal decision that is influenced by many factors.


It cost MFG's money to get their lifts certified and as a result you can bet that only lifts deemed worthy of the final certification stamp are presented.

This is a completely irresponsible comment and you have NO facts to back it up. I don't bet. Especially on safety. A safe product is only acheived after extensive engineering work in design, manufacturing, testing, and quality control. It is entirely possible and quite probable that a non-certified lift may be "safer" that a certified lift. Certification of a lift does NOT immediately make a non-certified lift safe, unsafe, or less safe. Are you kidding me?

The certification gives you an unbiased review by an outside company.

Several lift manufacturers, Bend Pak included, are "members" of the certifying lift organization - www.autolift.org Personally I am not comfortable with this type of situation.


Keep in mind that all MFG's express that their lift is the best so the only thing that does make them stand out is this certification

False. Completely false. If that were the case then the only lifts sold would be certified. We all know that isn't true. There are many factors that differentiate one lift/lift company from another. One would be field reports from existing customers. Another would be price. Perhaps another would be where manufactured. Maybe even available colors? Types of available accessories? How about width and height? How about shipping costs which can vary greatly depending on the location of the company and the customer? The list can be long.

To all the BYB owners out there. I'm not knocking your purchase decision.

Really? :shocking:

As a final thought, notice I did not bash Bend Pak once. I also did not promote any one lift. While I have the background, I do not have the time, money, access to design documents, or desire to do the engineering analyses required to make such bold statements about safety. I don't know which lift is better or which lift is safer. I don't think you do either. Your post is full of false information and irresponsible statements.
 

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jimval - I would not have expected anything less from you! Thanks for keeping it real!

Wow, where do I start.


Is MesaDE not asking about opinions related specifically to the BYB lift? Hence, that is why I solely focused my attention and opinions on this one lift and did not express my thoughts on your Pro Park model.

Is the price of a BendPak HD-9 lift plus an RJ-45 rolling air jack cheaper than a BYB? Yes, do the math. I spent about $3,500 (free shipping) for my set up back in March 08', which consisted of a HD-9-B and an RJ45 from Brian at www.asedeals.com. Call BYB and get a quote. I did a few years ago and back then the basic one was about $4,300. I'm sure it's closer to 5K now (plus shipping).

Is a BendPak safer than a BYB lift? You can kill yourself with both due to operator error but which one has gone through additional testing (read: certification) and which one incorporates secondary safety locks? Only BendPak and not BYB! Does this give the BendPak units a greater safety margin? I think they do. Will a BYB fall apart and come crashing down from regular use? It shouldn't. How about if a cable breaks or gets tangled up on something or slack gets introduced as the lift is being used? Yes, by its design the column that has a compromised cable will become the weak point in the ability to hold the weight of a vehicle. That's where the saftey locks on the BendPak would prevent damage to the lift and the vehicle. With that being said, BYB is really a hobby lift so I would say that you really can't compare it to the BendPak line but MesaDE was looking for thoughts when comparing these two units so I gave my input.

Is a certified lift not more desireable than a non-certified lift? Okay, maybe that's just the opinion of safety minded folks like myself who do value the certification and seek it when throwing down a lot of hard earned money on a lift. Also, hmm... why do we all spend so much time asking about whether or not a lift is certified?

Does BendPak make the best lifts? Yes, that's why I bought an HD-9 and that's probably why you see them all over the place in shops (i.e. monster garage) and other shows. Yes, I'm biased! Sorry jimval, I haven't seen your ProPark anywhere other than the gregg site and in your emails (that's a fact not my opinion).


BYB community - If you think I was knocking your purchase then by all means feel free to bash away for my decision to buy a certified BendPak. I do feel strongly though that for the price of a BYB lift (whatever it is now), it should incorporate safety locks or at least some other safety device. It is also my opinion that the column design is not as superior as their marketing makes it out to be. Check out the BendPak comparison that was done and you'll see why I feel this way. Finally, all of the hype over the hydraulic fitting that BYB uses to attach the hydraulic line to the ramp is also not worth all of the space it takes up (in my opinion). Check out any forklift, you'll never see the type of fitiings that BYB uses on their ramps.

Do all MFG's state that their lift is the best? HELL YES!!! Jimval, why do you think this is such a confusing purchase and the most highly discussed topic on these boards. We don't go more than 2-3 days without talking about lifts here. I'm surprised we don't have a lift discussion forum yet. Since Walmart has yet to incorporate lifts into their automotive isle, this is the closest anyone is going to get to even see one up close and personal and get some type of feedback on lifts. The only thing that I see that seperates all of these MFG's (and fly by night outfits) is certification of products, reputation (to include customer service), and customer feedback/loyalty. That's why I really value the BendPak Company and it's product line.

Finally, Jimval, I must say you have me laughing so hard this afternoon!!! Thank you!!! I do enjoy being the target of your affection.
 
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MesaDE

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Thanks to all for info and opinions. I'm starting my 30'x30' garage project next week and will share pictures as well as the lift once in place. I'm stacking a '68 camaro convertable and a cobra replica..so money isnt necessarily the issue. I just want my cars and myself to be safe.
 

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For what it's worth I lamented this decision a couple of years ago and finally bought the Rotary Revolution. It's fully certified and I happened to get a good price on it (including shipping & installation!
 

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This is a good thread... I for one really appreciate the contrary-to-BYB opinions by ovilla and revolver.

Having a fail-safe situation when a cable stretches or snaps is worth paying attention to, and I didn't realize the absence of same with the BYB product.

I am in the market for three 4-post lifts for storing 6 of my 1962 full size Pontiacs and a 2-post lift for workin' on 'em, the Rotary & Bend-Pak product will get a close look from me in the morning. Hopefully I can go and see these in person somewhere near me.
 

nyjets53

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Go read this post about Bend Pak certification

"My BendPak HD-12 Experience"
 

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This is a good thread... I for one really appreciate the contrary-to-BYB opinions by ovilla and revolver.

Having a fail-safe situation when a cable stretches or snaps is worth paying attention to, and I didn't realize the absence of same with the BYB product.

I am in the market for three 4-post lifts for storing 6 of my 1962 full size Pontiacs and a 2-post lift for workin' on 'em, the Rotary & Bend-Pak product will get a close look from me in the morning. Hopefully I can go and see these in person somewhere near me.

If you ever want to come down to Chicagoland, send me an email and you can stop by and check out my BendPak. Bring your car and we'll even put it on the lift so you can get an idea of how it'll fit on an HD-9 (Extra Wide Normal Height).
 

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jimval - I would not have expected anything less from you! Thanks for keeping it real!

Finally, Jimval, I must say you have me laughing so hard this afternoon!!! Thank you!!! I do enjoy being the target of your affection.

Ovilla - You've either got really thick skin, or you teach second grade....I commend your handling of this guy!
 
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